During the last few years...as a group...we've heaped praise on TCU's Gary Patterson. He is a good coach..who has remained loyal to his school, and helped them gain entry into the Big 12...and the college football welfare tv contract system so to speak.

I came across a story this morning that paints a bit of a different picture.
Yes I realize that it could all be sour grapes...but then again...who knows?
Glenn

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...ar-BBIAtb8


A former Texas Christian University wide receiver filed a lawsuit against the school and the Big 12 Conference, citing a pattern of abuse and harassment, according to a published report Thursday.

Kolby Listenbee, who was hurt during his senior season in 2015, alleged that Horned Frogs head coach Gary Patterson and members of his staff "continuously pressured, humiliated, and harassed" him to return from the injury, the Star-Telegram of Fort Worth reported.

A sixth-round draft choice of the Buffalo Bills in 2016, Listenbee claimed the harassment began shortly after his injury was diagnosed. In the suit, he said coaches wanted him back on the field quickly due to "their quest for a national football championship."

The university issued a statement in response to the lawsuit but did not address any specific claims made by Listenbee.

"TCU takes tremendous pride in its long-standing tradition of excellence in providing a positive experience for its student-athletes, especially in the areas of care, prevention and rehabilitation of athletic injuries," the statement read.

Listenbee said he injured the cartilage that holds the pelvic bones together while making a touchdown catch. According to the lawsuit, the injury "requires a minimum of six months of rest and rehabilitation."

In an attempt to accelerate his recovery, Listenbee charged that the school's training staff "routinely injected him with pain and steroidal medications to make it possible for him to endure the pain of the injury while playing."

Listenbee, a top sprinter on the TCU track team, said the treatment by the staff effectively ended his chances at a playing career in the NFL.

He said a metal plate had to be inserted into his pelvis, a result of the damage caused by the "injection of steroids and pain medication, lack of rest due to harassment and abuse from the coaching staff, and strenuous play of football ..."

Listenbee had a career-best 41 receptions for 753 yards and four touchdowns in 13 games during his junior season. He had 30 catches for 597 yards and five scores as a senior, averaging 19.9 yards per reception.

The Big 12 was named in the lawsuit for its failure to review TCU's compliance with the NCAA Rules and policies.

Weak mindset. So what. Everybody is a victim. Some kids are tough and you sit them against their will. Some kids are wimps and you prod them to play. Whatever.

(02-02-2018 09:07 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  During the last few years...as a group...we've heaped praise on TCU's Gary Patterson. He is a good coach..who has remained loyal to his school, and helped them gain entry into the Big 12...and the college football welfare tv contract system so to speak.

I came across a story this morning that paints a bit of a different picture.
Yes I realize that it could all be sour grapes...but then again...who knows?
Glenn

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...ar-BBIAtb8


A former Texas Christian University wide receiver filed a lawsuit against the school and the Big 12 Conference, citing a pattern of abuse and harassment, according to a published report Thursday.

Kolby Listenbee, who was hurt during his senior season in 2015, alleged that Horned Frogs head coach Gary Patterson and members of his staff "continuously pressured, humiliated, and harassed" him to return from the injury, the Star-Telegram of Fort Worth reported.

A sixth-round draft choice of the Buffalo Bills in 2016, Listenbee claimed the harassment began shortly after his injury was diagnosed. In the suit, he said coaches wanted him back on the field quickly due to "their quest for a national football championship."

The university issued a statement in response to the lawsuit but did not address any specific claims made by Listenbee.

"TCU takes tremendous pride in its long-standing tradition of excellence in providing a positive experience for its student-athletes, especially in the areas of care, prevention and rehabilitation of athletic injuries," the statement read.

Listenbee said he injured the cartilage that holds the pelvic bones together while making a touchdown catch. According to the lawsuit, the injury "requires a minimum of six months of rest and rehabilitation."

In an attempt to accelerate his recovery, Listenbee charged that the school's training staff "routinely injected him with pain and steroidal medications to make it possible for him to endure the pain of the injury while playing."

Listenbee, a top sprinter on the TCU track team, said the treatment by the staff effectively ended his chances at a playing career in the NFL.

He said a metal plate had to be inserted into his pelvis, a result of the damage caused by the "injection of steroids and pain medication, lack of rest due to harassment and abuse from the coaching staff, and strenuous play of football ..."

Listenbee had a career-best 41 receptions for 753 yards and four touchdowns in 13 games during his junior season. He had 30 catches for 597 yards and five scores as a senior, averaging 19.9 yards per reception.

The Big 12 was named in the lawsuit for its failure to review TCU's compliance with the NCAA Rules and policies.

Is this new...I would bet dang near every coaching staff college and up could be accused of this.

I'm not pointing the finger at him in any way or, doubting his word of what happened.

I just wonder how far this will go.

(02-02-2018 02:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 09:07 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  During the last few years...as a group...we've heaped praise on TCU's Gary Patterson. He is a good coach..who has remained loyal to his school, and helped them gain entry into the Big 12...and the college football welfare tv contract system so to speak.

I came across a story this morning that paints a bit of a different picture.
Yes I realize that it could all be sour grapes...but then again...who knows?
Glenn

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...ar-BBIAtb8


A former Texas Christian University wide receiver filed a lawsuit against the school and the Big 12 Conference, citing a pattern of abuse and harassment, according to a published report Thursday.

Kolby Listenbee, who was hurt during his senior season in 2015, alleged that Horned Frogs head coach Gary Patterson and members of his staff "continuously pressured, humiliated, and harassed" him to return from the injury, the Star-Telegram of Fort Worth reported.

A sixth-round draft choice of the Buffalo Bills in 2016, Listenbee claimed the harassment began shortly after his injury was diagnosed. In the suit, he said coaches wanted him back on the field quickly due to "their quest for a national football championship."

The university issued a statement in response to the lawsuit but did not address any specific claims made by Listenbee.

"TCU takes tremendous pride in its long-standing tradition of excellence in providing a positive experience for its student-athletes, especially in the areas of care, prevention and rehabilitation of athletic injuries," the statement read.

Listenbee said he injured the cartilage that holds the pelvic bones together while making a touchdown catch. According to the lawsuit, the injury "requires a minimum of six months of rest and rehabilitation."

In an attempt to accelerate his recovery, Listenbee charged that the school's training staff "routinely injected him with pain and steroidal medications to make it possible for him to endure the pain of the injury while playing."

Listenbee, a top sprinter on the TCU track team, said the treatment by the staff effectively ended his chances at a playing career in the NFL.

He said a metal plate had to be inserted into his pelvis, a result of the damage caused by the "injection of steroids and pain medication, lack of rest due to harassment and abuse from the coaching staff, and strenuous play of football ..."

Listenbee had a career-best 41 receptions for 753 yards and four touchdowns in 13 games during his junior season. He had 30 catches for 597 yards and five scores as a senior, averaging 19.9 yards per reception.

The Big 12 was named in the lawsuit for its failure to review TCU's compliance with the NCAA Rules and policies.

Is this new...I would bet dang near every coaching staff college and up could be accused of this.

I think its pretty new...I saw it on MSN first...then in ESPN's headlines too.
Coaches may push some players with injuries...but some injuries don't need to be rushed back onto the playing field.

(02-02-2018 02:45 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 02:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 09:07 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  During the last few years...as a group...we've heaped praise on TCU's Gary Patterson. He is a good coach..who has remained loyal to his school, and helped them gain entry into the Big 12...and the college football welfare tv contract system so to speak.

I came across a story this morning that paints a bit of a different picture.
Yes I realize that it could all be sour grapes...but then again...who knows?
Glenn

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...ar-BBIAtb8


A former Texas Christian University wide receiver filed a lawsuit against the school and the Big 12 Conference, citing a pattern of abuse and harassment, according to a published report Thursday.

Kolby Listenbee, who was hurt during his senior season in 2015, alleged that Horned Frogs head coach Gary Patterson and members of his staff "continuously pressured, humiliated, and harassed" him to return from the injury, the Star-Telegram of Fort Worth reported.

A sixth-round draft choice of the Buffalo Bills in 2016, Listenbee claimed the harassment began shortly after his injury was diagnosed. In the suit, he said coaches wanted him back on the field quickly due to "their quest for a national football championship."

The university issued a statement in response to the lawsuit but did not address any specific claims made by Listenbee.

"TCU takes tremendous pride in its long-standing tradition of excellence in providing a positive experience for its student-athletes, especially in the areas of care, prevention and rehabilitation of athletic injuries," the statement read.

Listenbee said he injured the cartilage that holds the pelvic bones together while making a touchdown catch. According to the lawsuit, the injury "requires a minimum of six months of rest and rehabilitation."

In an attempt to accelerate his recovery, Listenbee charged that the school's training staff "routinely injected him with pain and steroidal medications to make it possible for him to endure the pain of the injury while playing."

Listenbee, a top sprinter on the TCU track team, said the treatment by the staff effectively ended his chances at a playing career in the NFL.

He said a metal plate had to be inserted into his pelvis, a result of the damage caused by the "injection of steroids and pain medication, lack of rest due to harassment and abuse from the coaching staff, and strenuous play of football ..."

Listenbee had a career-best 41 receptions for 753 yards and four touchdowns in 13 games during his junior season. He had 30 catches for 597 yards and five scores as a senior, averaging 19.9 yards per reception.

The Big 12 was named in the lawsuit for its failure to review TCU's compliance with the NCAA Rules and policies.

Is this new...I would bet dang near every coaching staff college and up could be accused of this.

I think its pretty new...I saw it on MSN first...then in ESPN's headlines too.
Coaches may push some players with injuries...but some injuries don't need to be rushed back onto the playing field.

My point is this is a normal practice...

Calling players punks and all other names for not practicing because of injury was the norm when I played.

(02-02-2018 02:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 02:45 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 02:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 09:07 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  During the last few years...as a group...we've heaped praise on TCU's Gary Patterson. He is a good coach..who has remained loyal to his school, and helped them gain entry into the Big 12...and the college football welfare tv contract system so to speak.

I came across a story this morning that paints a bit of a different picture.
Yes I realize that it could all be sour grapes...but then again...who knows?
Glenn

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...ar-BBIAtb8


A former Texas Christian University wide receiver filed a lawsuit against the school and the Big 12 Conference, citing a pattern of abuse and harassment, according to a published report Thursday.

Kolby Listenbee, who was hurt during his senior season in 2015, alleged that Horned Frogs head coach Gary Patterson and members of his staff "continuously pressured, humiliated, and harassed" him to return from the injury, the Star-Telegram of Fort Worth reported.

A sixth-round draft choice of the Buffalo Bills in 2016, Listenbee claimed the harassment began shortly after his injury was diagnosed. In the suit, he said coaches wanted him back on the field quickly due to "their quest for a national football championship."

The university issued a statement in response to the lawsuit but did not address any specific claims made by Listenbee.

"TCU takes tremendous pride in its long-standing tradition of excellence in providing a positive experience for its student-athletes, especially in the areas of care, prevention and rehabilitation of athletic injuries," the statement read.

Listenbee said he injured the cartilage that holds the pelvic bones together while making a touchdown catch. According to the lawsuit, the injury "requires a minimum of six months of rest and rehabilitation."

In an attempt to accelerate his recovery, Listenbee charged that the school's training staff "routinely injected him with pain and steroidal medications to make it possible for him to endure the pain of the injury while playing."

Listenbee, a top sprinter on the TCU track team, said the treatment by the staff effectively ended his chances at a playing career in the NFL.

He said a metal plate had to be inserted into his pelvis, a result of the damage caused by the "injection of steroids and pain medication, lack of rest due to harassment and abuse from the coaching staff, and strenuous play of football ..."

Listenbee had a career-best 41 receptions for 753 yards and four touchdowns in 13 games during his junior season. He had 30 catches for 597 yards and five scores as a senior, averaging 19.9 yards per reception.

The Big 12 was named in the lawsuit for its failure to review TCU's compliance with the NCAA Rules and policies.

Is this new...I would bet dang near every coaching staff college and up could be accused of this.

I think its pretty new...I saw it on MSN first...then in ESPN's headlines too.
Coaches may push some players with injuries...but some injuries don't need to be rushed back onto the playing field.

My point is this is a normal practice...

Calling players punks and all other names for not practicing because of injury was the norm when I played.

Yep, running backs would get licks if they missed the hole back when I played. You got one the first time, 2 the second and 4 the 3rd. Most didn't have a third. Usually didn't get water either the whole practice. Coaches also loved to jerk your face mask to get your attention too or knock you down.

geezus

That's disgusting

Denying people water is flat out dangerous though.

(02-02-2018 03:19 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  geezus

That's disgusting

Denying people water is flat out dangerous though.

Different times for sure. We did get salt tablets.

As others have said, normal stuff back when some of us were young.

I respect what it was like for older players back in their time and I'm glad it isn't back in their day.

Refusing water, injury shaming, all is pointless bullsh*t and accomplishes not one damned thing in improving a football program. I have no doubt a young guy like Norvell is not only doing things in practice sessions the right way but also the smart way.

Why is this in the main forum?

Even the title says NTR?!!

There has been one post in this whole thread that even remotely tries to tie it to the Tigers.

How many 6th rounders make it each year????

(02-02-2018 03:22 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 03:19 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  geezus

That's disgusting

Denying people water is flat out dangerous though.

Different times for sure. We did get salt tablets.

Yeah only to find out later they weren't good for you.

I had a grade school football coach that chewed tobacco and when you did something wrong he's spit on your jersey. Of course it was a catholic school so... One game the team had breakfast together and then right before the game coach had us take vivarin and drink a coke to get it to kick in.

(02-02-2018 04:18 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Why is this in the main forum?

Even the title says NTR?!!

There has been one post in this whole thread that even remotely tries to tie it to the Tigers.

I expect this to get moved at some point. Our last coach came from TCU, and a lot of people here have spoken glowingly of Coach Patterson.
If you don't want to read the post...then you see I labeled it NTR...don't read it.
People who may find the story interesting enough to comment are free to add their $.02.

(02-02-2018 03:22 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 03:19 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  geezus

That's disgusting

Denying people water is flat out dangerous though.

Different times for sure. We did get salt tablets.

And foot powder.

(02-02-2018 04:09 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  I respect what it was like for older players back in their time and I'm glad it isn't back in their day.

Refusing water, injury shaming, all is pointless bullsh*t and accomplishes not one damned thing in improving a football program. I have no doubt a young guy like Norvell is not only doing things in practice sessions the right way but also the smart way.

Lol...It is still going on without question...

Everyone threshold for pain and discomfort is not the same.