Trying to confirm point of contact and dissemination. Did Bruce Ohr's wife give GPS Fusion information to her husband Bruce who gave it to Brennan or did the Ohr give GPS Fusion information to the FBI first? If the CIA instigated the Russian/Trump campaign collusion, what was their lead evidence they presented to the FBI?
Brennan testified under oath that he initiated the collusion investigation. Did he commit perjury?
Matters to me. Im just not going to jump to any conclusions yet on any of this stuff at this point. The amount of half truths, fake news and out right fabricated BS from both sides makes me question ANY of what Im hearing.
(02-02-2018 08:21 AM)Paul M Wrote: Mattered to me before. Matters to me now.
Lonely out here.
All your friends have lost their FN minds. Party over country. Sad.
Lots of hoping and praying from both sides that the small amount of correct information will lead to some revelations and actionable offenses. Im betting now it won't. Nothing is going to happen to Trump...Nothing is going to happen to Clinton. Mark it down.
(02-01-2018 10:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I posted elsewhere, but this is a good place to repeat.
I'm using myself tonight, exactly what do I know to be true about this whole string of allegations going back and forth?
I know one thing to be true. I know that Comey recited a list of actions by Hillary that if I had done them, I would be doing 40 in Leavenworth, for crimes ranging from perjury to obstruction of justice to potentially treason, but he recommended that she not be prosecuted. That's it. That's all I know to be true. I don't know why he did that.
Everything else from both sides is nothing more than speculative allegation. So, do I believe the speculation that is consistent with what I know to be fact, or do I believe the speculation that is counter to what I know to be fact, or do I wait and see?
I choose to wait and see.
He told you why. He said he didn't think he had enough evidence to win a trial. He certainly never said she was innocent. In fact laying out his case was his best shot at letting the world know he thought she was guilty.
But here's my problem with the extreme right. They all seem to think that one moral outrage justifies another. Using Hillary and Bill as justification for every F..... up thing Trump does is a very low level of morality.
In grade school language, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
(02-01-2018 10:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I posted elsewhere, but this is a good place to repeat.
I'm using myself tonight, exactly what do I know to be true about this whole string of allegations going back and forth?
I know one thing to be true. I know that Comey recited a list of actions by Hillary that if I had done them, I would be doing 40 in Leavenworth, for crimes ranging from perjury to obstruction of justice to potentially treason, but he recommended that she not be prosecuted. That's it. That's all I know to be true. I don't know why he did that.
Everything else from both sides is nothing more than speculative allegation. So, do I believe the speculation that is consistent with what I know to be fact, or do I believe the speculation that is counter to what I know to be fact, or do I wait and see?
I choose to wait and see.
He told you why. He said he didn't think he had enough evidence to win a trial. He certainly never said she was innocent. In fact laying out his case was his best shot at letting the world know he thought she was guilty.
But here's my problem with the extreme right. They all seem to think that one moral outrage justifies another. Using Hillary and Bill as justification for every F..... up thing Trump does is a very low level of morality.
In grade school language, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Everyone is speculating on both sides. Nothing to my knowledge at this point is actionable on either Trump or Clinton. Speculation is not proof.
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(02-01-2018 10:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I posted elsewhere, but this is a good place to repeat.
I'm using myself tonight, exactly what do I know to be true about this whole string of allegations going back and forth?
I know one thing to be true. I know that Comey recited a list of actions by Hillary that if I had done them, I would be doing 40 in Leavenworth, for crimes ranging from perjury to obstruction of justice to potentially treason, but he recommended that she not be prosecuted. That's it. That's all I know to be true. I don't know why he did that.
Everything else from both sides is nothing more than speculative allegation. So, do I believe the speculation that is consistent with what I know to be fact, or do I believe the speculation that is counter to what I know to be fact, or do I wait and see?
I choose to wait and see.
He told you why. He said he didn't think he had enough evidence to win a trial. He certainly never said she was innocent. In fact laying out his case was his best shot at letting the world know he thought she was guilty.
But here's my problem with the extreme right. They all seem to think that one moral outrage justifies another. Using Hillary and Bill as justification for every F..... up thing Trump does is a very low level of morality.
In grade school language, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
I think Hillary clearly committed a crime that you or I would be in jail for having committed. Sec of State pay for play schemes? More complicated, but still stink.
Now, can you give us some examples of the crime or crimes that Trump has committed and that you seem to claim we on the right are using as justification for pointing out wrongdoing by the Clintons?
(02-02-2018 08:49 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: That's why you investigate Fo. Speculation leads to investigations.......
Now go to step 2. Why is Trump firing or trying to fire everybody associated with an investigation?
I have no problem with investigating this. At some point the speculation has to be proven. Im doubling down that it is going to lead in a direction that satisfies no one.
(02-01-2018 10:25 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Your terminology is loose. You say things like fake when it should be unconfirmed. You have no worries we very well may have a Russian stooge in office. You suck on conspiracy theories like a newborn to a teet.
You guys are just...... unhinged. For what? A tax cut. Supreme Court judge? What price is your honor? Fairly cheap obviously.
“I was aware of intelligence and information about contacts between Russian officials and U.S. persons that raised concerns in my mind about whether or not those individuals were cooperating with the Russians, either in a witting or unwitting fashion, and it served as the basis for the FBI investigation to determine whether such collusion [or] cooperation occurred,” Mr. Brennan added.
Holy schnikey!
Not to toot my own horn (well, maybe sorta) but I called Brennan months ago, if not over a year.
I had actually forgotten a bit about that unmitigated doosh, why doesn’t this surprise me in the least?
(02-01-2018 11:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: I read. I think you have taken a position out of emotion rather than based in fact. I was first made aware of Kushner lying and the seriousness of a pod cast by Rick Wilson. A GOP consultant but a never Trumper. He was irate. The average Joe being in jail was his line. He knows people who went to jail over one intentional lie. That Kushner had 100’s. He was irate. I researched it that’s why I came out so strong. Rick Wilson filled out a SF 86mand he is irate with the sham involving Kushner.
(02-01-2018 10:25 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Your terminology is loose. You say things like fake when it should be unconfirmed. You have no worries we very well may have a Russian stooge in office. You suck on conspiracy theories like a newborn to a teet.
You guys are just...... unhinged. For what? A tax cut. Supreme Court judge? What price is your honor? Fairly cheap obviously.
You are an unhinged Russian stooge like many in your party. Y'all try to undermine faith in the US government and stir up discord. You are doing exactly what Putin wants. You spread the Russian fiction in the dossier. Its the Democrats and FBI bureaucrats who are trying to hide the memo and keep the truth from coming out.
(02-01-2018 10:53 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: There was some form that Kushner lied over 100 Times On. Average joe would have been in prison too. LS 99 or something like that. That is a fact.
No that's not a fact. That sort of stuff gets people slapped on the wrist. And he didn't have over 100 false statements.
(02-01-2018 10:25 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Your terminology is loose. You say things like fake when it should be unconfirmed. You have no worries we very well may have a Russian stooge in office. You suck on conspiracy theories like a newborn to a teet.
You guys are just...... unhinged. For what? A tax cut. Supreme Court judge? What price is your honor? Fairly cheap obviously.
we are all russians
I have a mail order bride on the way.....I even got to use a '10% off coopin' to eliminate taxes...
Dude, some of those mail order Russkie brides are smokin hot and as long as you don't drink a gallon of vodka a day and beat on them they'll worship you.
(02-01-2018 11:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: I read. I think you have taken a position out of emotion rather than based in fact. I was first made aware of Kushner lying and the seriousness of a pod cast by Rick Wilson. A GOP consultant but a never Trumper. He was irate. The average Joe being in jail was his line. He knows people who went to jail over one intentional lie. That Kushner had 100’s. He was irate. I researched it that’s why I came out so strong. Rick Wilson filled out a SF 86mand he is irate with the sham involving Kushner.
I don't know about Wilson, but the never-Trumpers tend to be even more insane than the Democrats. Kristoff & Co. are totally off their rocker.
(02-02-2018 06:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: You can start mending your credibility by stopping the habit of calling the Steele Dossier fake. Parts Unconfirmed would be the accurate description.
It's fake. Always been fake. Nobody would touch it with a ten foot pole. Hence why BuzzFeed leaked it.
It's been out since late 2016 and not a f*cking credible soul can vouch for it's authenticity. Steele refuses to come on American soil and testify under oath. Fusion GPS pleads the fifth and refuses to do more than give conjecture in 21 hours of testimony. But they soon will or will be losing millions of dollars due to defamation.
There's nothing to decode. FGPS hired Steele who farmed it out.
That's the bottom line. Your party paid for a complete dossier that's fake and the sitting administration used it as a political tool to discredit a political opponent.
The memo is being released and your heros are filthy. Deal with it.
EVERY media outlet saw the memo before the election. They all knew it was garbage. Nobody but one ran with it. Finally when all else was failing for the Dems after the election, NBC had Buzzfeed re-issue it so they could comment on it.
(02-01-2018 10:25 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Your terminology is loose. You say things like fake when it should be unconfirmed. You have no worries we very well may have a Russian stooge in office. You suck on conspiracy theories like a newborn to a teet.
You guys are just...... unhinged. For what? A tax cut. Supreme Court judge? What price is your honor? Fairly cheap obviously.
Truth hasn't mattered to you in well over a year, if it ever has.
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Why doesn’t the truth matter to you guys?
