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RE: A10 Question
(02-01-2018 01:12 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 01:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 12:58 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  We just need the eastern division of CUSA and the eastern portion of the Belt to merge. Bring along JMU and/or Liberty so we can have a in-state rival. Kick Coastal to the curb, since they have a FCS level fanbase. Done. Everyone ends up with closer games and a rival. Much better than what we have in our 2 leagues.

That would not save us any money or bring any additional regional exposure. It just sweeps sand from one side of the room to the other. There is no school in the Sun Belt aside from App State that will be any cheaper and easier to get to than Rice or North Texas and there are none that will get us on TV more often. We need to just admit we made a mistake and cut our losses.

Having a league with JMU, Marshall, Liberty, and ODU wouldn't improve our regional exposure? How's that? That also adds 2 bus games we don't currently have for pretty much every sport we play.

JMU and Liberty would, you betcha. We are already in a league with Marshall, who is not in our region. Problem is we already have a 14 team conference and no way anyone will vote to expand it to reduce the share and add JMU and Liberty.

Having a league with the GSUs, South Alabama, and Troy would not be any improvement over UTSA, UNT, Rice, UTEP, and the Florida schools.

If you want to sever the Texas and Florida schools, add JMU and Liberty and have a conference consisting of:

ODU
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
UAB
La Tech
UNC-C
USM
JMU
Liberty

I'd be fine with that. Just not sure how we'd get there.
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RE: A10 Question
(02-01-2018 01:28 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 01:12 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 01:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 12:58 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  We just need the eastern division of CUSA and the eastern portion of the Belt to merge. Bring along JMU and/or Liberty so we can have a in-state rival. Kick Coastal to the curb, since they have a FCS level fanbase. Done. Everyone ends up with closer games and a rival. Much better than what we have in our 2 leagues.

That would not save us any money or bring any additional regional exposure. It just sweeps sand from one side of the room to the other. There is no school in the Sun Belt aside from App State that will be any cheaper and easier to get to than Rice or North Texas and there are none that will get us on TV more often. We need to just admit we made a mistake and cut our losses.

Having a league with JMU, Marshall, Liberty, and ODU wouldn't improve our regional exposure? How's that? That also adds 2 bus games we don't currently have for pretty much every sport we play.

JMU and Liberty would, you betcha. We are already in a league with Marshall, who is not in our region.

Having a league with the GSUs, South Alabama, and Troy would not be any improvement over UTSA, UNT, Rice, UTEP, and the Florida schools.

I wouldn't include the Alabama schools. It would be ODU, JMU, Marshall, Liberty, WKU, MT, Appy, UNCC, the GSUs, and the F_Us. Split into 2 six team divisions, so the longest trips wouldn't be yearly.

It'd be a compact regional league where everyone would have a rival. Both issues CUSA and the Belt cant solve alone.
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RE: A10 Question
(02-01-2018 01:37 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 01:28 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 01:12 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 01:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 12:58 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  We just need the eastern division of CUSA and the eastern portion of the Belt to merge. Bring along JMU and/or Liberty so we can have a in-state rival. Kick Coastal to the curb, since they have a FCS level fanbase. Done. Everyone ends up with closer games and a rival. Much better than what we have in our 2 leagues.

That would not save us any money or bring any additional regional exposure. It just sweeps sand from one side of the room to the other. There is no school in the Sun Belt aside from App State that will be any cheaper and easier to get to than Rice or North Texas and there are none that will get us on TV more often. We need to just admit we made a mistake and cut our losses.

Having a league with JMU, Marshall, Liberty, and ODU wouldn't improve our regional exposure? How's that? That also adds 2 bus games we don't currently have for pretty much every sport we play.

JMU and Liberty would, you betcha. We are already in a league with Marshall, who is not in our region.

Having a league with the GSUs, South Alabama, and Troy would not be any improvement over UTSA, UNT, Rice, UTEP, and the Florida schools.

I wouldn't include the Alabama schools. It would be ODU, JMU, Marshall, Liberty, WKU, MT, Appy, UNCC, the GSUs, and the F_Us. Split into 2 six team divisions. It's a compact regional league where everyone would have a rival, both issues CUSA cant solve.

Too many bad basketball schools. Cut to 10 and take out either the GSUs or the F_Us, but I'm afraid MTSU and WKU wouldn't go without UAB.

ODU
Marshall
UNCC
MTSU
WKU
UAB
Appy
JMU
Liberty
Georgia State (Keeping this one for the basketball and the airport hub)

This is a decent league for both sports. Will still have the TV problem. Maybe Liberty could help solve that in exchange for inclusion and they could expand their TV network into all of the regions and stagger game times so that most of all the conference games are on TV.
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I included F_Us because I've seen Marshall and WKU fans say how important playing there was for them. But I'm good as long we just move towards a more sensible league. We missed the window on these cross country football leagues being worth it. Well, unless the AAC calls.
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RE: A10 Question
(02-01-2018 12:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 12:25 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Who cares about TV markets? Regional conferences are the future of the G5.

That should be true, there just aren't enough G5 schools in the mid-atlantic to make a regional conference. WIdeally the regional football conference would include a mix of:

However, that would likely make for a terrible basketball conference.

ODU
Richmond - FCS
W&M - FCS
JMU - FCS
George Mason - No Football
VCU - No Football
Delaware - FCS
Towson - FCS
UNC-C - Obvious Pick
Elon - FCS
Villanova - FCS and major basketball conference
Temple - AAC
ECU - AAC
Navy - AAC
Coastal Carolina - FCS
App State - Obvious Pick
Lehigh - FCS
Lafayette - FCS

Once you get much further away than that, you have to charter flights and you are crossing regional TV markets so the idea is moot.

Like it or not, we are in the DC CSN/MASN region. The only obvious picks for a regional conference - UNC-C and App State are not in that region. To form a regional conference with them, we would need a new regional network based in NC.

Non-P"6" Football in the DC region are
ODU
JMU
Richmond
W&M
Towson
Delaware

Lehigh - Philly region in CSN network
Lafayette - Philly region in CSN network

This is why we need to either drop back down. Since there are no true regional G5 football teams, just a couple in different regions that have some proximity, there is no way for ODU to stay in the G5 and be in a regional conference. Only way would be for JMU, Richmond, W&M, Towson, and Delaware to all move up and for GMU and VCU to start FBS football from scratch. JMU is the only one that has indicated any interest. That still only leaves us with an 8-team conference.

Edit: I forgot about Liberty

IMO, This would be the absolute best re-alignment for a 14 / 12 member FBS Football Conference and the best regional alignment of Schools for travel and rivalries at this time. Basketball would be good to above average (ODU, Temple WKU, MTSU GA State, Marshall, LA Tech, UAB and if UNCC, and Southern Miss improve it could be even better as a basketball conference.

1). Temple ????
2). ECU ????
3). 1). ODU
4). 2). WKU
5). 3). MTSU
6). 4). GA State
7). 5). GA Southern
8). 6). App State
9). 7). UNCC
10).8). Marshall
11).9). LA Tech
12).10).Southern Miss
13).11).UAB
14).12).Troy
? 13). Liberty....?
? 14).Coastal....?

Out of this realignment group any one would or could be a good fit. I'm sure that Temple and ECU would never agree or be a part of this new alignment, so you could always plug Troy, Liberty or even my least favorite potential member Coastal in to fill out a 14 member conference. It even works as a twelve (12), member Conference, just leave Coastal and Liberty out or sub Liberty for Troy (PICK ONE). La Tech would be the outlier and Arkansas State or USA could be a possible fit if LA Tech preferred to mix with a different re-alignment. But, I think they would fit really well in the NEW CUSA with their existing Football rivalries with Old/current CUSA Conference. I would hope to keep the CUSA name and I think TV money and distribution would be easier to sell as a regional Conference.

I would also hope that a new Commissioner would be selected that has an aggressive and even connections that would move the new CUSA into better TV deals, Bowl alignments. Bottom line some one that has the experience and knowhow to sell and negotiate this as a big winner with outstanding regional rivalries and growing hot TV markets. All these schools have huge upside for ratings. Basketball could easily use Norfolk Nashville at Charlotte for tournament playoffs and could very easily sell this as a win for all involved. If Charlotte gets back to the old days. A tournament at any one of those sites would be outstanding. And all are great destination Cities.
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RE: A10 Question
(02-01-2018 01:52 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 12:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 12:25 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Who cares about TV markets? Regional conferences are the future of the G5.

That should be true, there just aren't enough G5 schools in the mid-atlantic to make a regional conference. WIdeally the regional football conference would include a mix of:

However, that would likely make for a terrible basketball conference.

ODU
Richmond - FCS
W&M - FCS
JMU - FCS
George Mason - No Football
VCU - No Football
Delaware - FCS
Towson - FCS
UNC-C - Obvious Pick
Elon - FCS
Villanova - FCS and major basketball conference
Temple - AAC
ECU - AAC
Navy - AAC
Coastal Carolina - FCS
App State - Obvious Pick
Lehigh - FCS
Lafayette - FCS

Once you get much further away than that, you have to charter flights and you are crossing regional TV markets so the idea is moot.

Like it or not, we are in the DC CSN/MASN region. The only obvious picks for a regional conference - UNC-C and App State are not in that region. To form a regional conference with them, we would need a new regional network based in NC.

Non-P"6" Football in the DC region are
ODU
JMU
Richmond
W&M
Towson
Delaware

Lehigh - Philly region in CSN network
Lafayette - Philly region in CSN network

This is why we need to either drop back down. Since there are no true regional G5 football teams, just a couple in different regions that have some proximity, there is no way for ODU to stay in the G5 and be in a regional conference. Only way would be for JMU, Richmond, W&M, Towson, and Delaware to all move up and for GMU and VCU to start FBS football from scratch. JMU is the only one that has indicated any interest. That still only leaves us with an 8-team conference.

Edit: I forgot about Liberty

IMO, This would be the absolute best re-alignment for a 14 / 12 member FBS Football Conference and the best regional alignment of Schools for travel and rivalries at this time. Basketball would be good to above average (ODU, Temple WKU, MTSU GA State, Marshall, LA Tech, UAB and if UNCC, and Southern Miss improve it could be even better as a basketball conference.

1). Temple ????
2). ECU ????
3). 1). ODU
4). 2). WKU
5). 3). MTSU
6). 4). GA State
7). 5). GA Southern
8). 6). App State
9). 7). UNCC
10).8). Marshall
11).9). LA Tech
12).10).Southern Miss
13).11).UAB
14).12).Troy
? 13). Liberty....?
? 14).Coastal....?

Out of this realignment group any one would or could be a good fit. I'm sure that Temple and ECU would never agree or be a part of this new alignment, so you could always plug Troy, Liberty or even my least favorite potential member Coastal in to fill out a 14 member conference. It even works as a twelve (12), member Conference, just leave Coastal and Liberty out or sub Liberty for Troy (PICK ONE).

Liberty has a TV network and a crapton of money to invest, if the right agreement is in place. We need to put the religious crap aside, include them, and leverage the resources. The brand needs to be built from the ground up. ESPN, CBS, or NBC isn't going to invest in it. We could, however, take ownership in it and grow it organically. Liberty invests the resources in exchange for their inclusion. Liberty reaps the rewards until they make $X profit. Once they meet an $X profit benchmark, either the conference gets the right to try to sell its media rights to another network at a minumum value of $Y or we let Liberty retain the right and equally share the profit once the $X benchmark is met, whichever number is higher.
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RE: A10 Question
(02-01-2018 02:00 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 01:52 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 12:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 12:25 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Who cares about TV markets? Regional conferences are the future of the G5.

That should be true, there just aren't enough G5 schools in the mid-atlantic to make a regional conference. WIdeally the regional football conference would include a mix of:

However, that would likely make for a terrible basketball conference.

ODU
Richmond - FCS
W&M - FCS
JMU - FCS
George Mason - No Football
VCU - No Football
Delaware - FCS
Towson - FCS
UNC-C - Obvious Pick
Elon - FCS
Villanova - FCS and major basketball conference
Temple - AAC
ECU - AAC
Navy - AAC
Coastal Carolina - FCS
App State - Obvious Pick
Lehigh - FCS
Lafayette - FCS

Once you get much further away than that, you have to charter flights and you are crossing regional TV markets so the idea is moot.

Like it or not, we are in the DC CSN/MASN region. The only obvious picks for a regional conference - UNC-C and App State are not in that region. To form a regional conference with them, we would need a new regional network based in NC.

Non-P"6" Football in the DC region are
ODU
JMU
Richmond
W&M
Towson
Delaware

Lehigh - Philly region in CSN network
Lafayette - Philly region in CSN network

This is why we need to either drop back down. Since there are no true regional G5 football teams, just a couple in different regions that have some proximity, there is no way for ODU to stay in the G5 and be in a regional conference. Only way would be for JMU, Richmond, W&M, Towson, and Delaware to all move up and for GMU and VCU to start FBS football from scratch. JMU is the only one that has indicated any interest. That still only leaves us with an 8-team conference.

Edit: I forgot about Liberty

EDIT...Added

Never will or would I hope that we would go back to FCS. Honestly, I'm sure ODU would never consider and certainly our administration would never ever consider this an option. Just a year and half ago, there was in fact a strong push from our administration to address and open the opportunity to talk with members of the AAC. If The Big 12 had taken a few AAC members, there may have been a opportunity to fill in any team that had left. When all the rumors of the B12 purging a few AAC teams, there certainly seemed to be strong interest. IMO, we will always look to move to the AAC and I think the fans would be delighted with that option. My hope is that in the future, fingers crossed, the sooner the better, we could join the AAC. If that option becomes a reality and available ODU would jump to the AAC.

IMO, This would be the absolute best re-alignment for a 14 / 12 member FBS Football Conference and the best regional alignment of Schools for travel and rivalries at this time. Basketball would be good to above average (ODU, Temple WKU, MTSU GA State, Marshall, LA Tech, UAB and if UNCC, and Southern Miss improve it could be even better as a basketball conference.



1). Temple ????
2). ECU ????
3). 1). ODU
4). 2). WKU
5). 3). MTSU
6). 4). GA State
7). 5). GA Southern
8). 6). App State
9). 7). UNCC
10).8). Marshall
11).9). LA Tech
12).10).Southern Miss
13).11).UAB
14).12).Troy
? 13). Liberty....?
? 14).Coastal....?

Out of this realignment group any one would or could be a good fit. I'm sure that Temple and ECU would never agree or be a part of this new alignment, so you could always plug Troy, Liberty or even my least favorite potential member Coastal in to fill out a 14 member conference. It even works as a twelve (12), member Conference, just leave Coastal and Liberty out or sub Liberty for Troy (PICK ONE).

Liberty has a TV network and a crapton of money to invest, if the right agreement is in place. We need to put the religious crap aside, include them, and leverage the resources. The brand needs to be built from the ground up. ESPN, CBS, or NBC isn't going to invest in it. We could, however, take ownership in it and grow it organically. Liberty invests the resources in exchange for their inclusion. Liberty reaps the rewards until they make $X profit. Once they meet an $X profit benchmark, either the conference gets the right to try to sell its media rights to another network at a minumum value of $Y or we let Liberty retain the right and equally share the profit once the $X benchmark is met, whichever number is higher.
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Going back to the CAA is a non-starter. I can't believe some people would rather play a home football game against Stony Brook than Southern Miss or travel to New Hampshire to play in front of 1,500 total fans than travel to Marshall or host ACC teams. Not to mention other sports such as soccer, where we currently play conference games against Kentucky, South Carolina, FIU and others instead of Towson or Elon. Baseball is another no brainer: CUSA > CAA.

Additionally, I still don't understand everyone's fascination with JMU. As a whole, there athletic program is mostly awful year after year. They bring nothing to the table other than being a few hours closer than some other schools. Most importantly, why would we want to take away our biggest recruiting advantage over them - being FBS? Why invite more FBS competition and water down the recruiting pool even further for us? It reminds me of when VCU put a bonus clause in Shaka's contract for beating us. The main reason for this was so they could maintain one of the only advantages they had over us in recruiting.
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(02-01-2018 03:57 PM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  Going back to the CAA is a non-starter. I can't believe some people would rather play a home football game against Stony Brook than Southern Miss or travel to New Hampshire to play in front of 1,500 total fans than travel to Marshall or host ACC teams. Not to mention other sports such as soccer, where we currently play conference games against Kentucky, South Carolina, FIU and others instead of Towson or Elon. Baseball is another no brainer: CUSA > CAA.

Additionally, I still don't understand everyone's fascination with JMU. As a whole, there athletic program is mostly awful year after year. They bring nothing to the table other than being a few hours closer than some other schools. Most importantly, why would we want to take away our biggest recruiting advantage over them - being FBS? Why invite more FBS competition and water down the recruiting pool even further for us? It reminds me of when VCU put a bonus clause in Shaka's contract for beating us. The main reason for this was so they could maintain one of the only advantages they had over us in recruiting.

Ditto
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(02-01-2018 04:24 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 03:57 PM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  Going back to the CAA is a non-starter. I can't believe some people would rather play a home football game against Stony Brook than Southern Miss or travel to New Hampshire to play in front of 1,500 total fans than travel to Marshall or host ACC teams. Not to mention other sports such as soccer, where we currently play conference games against Kentucky, South Carolina, FIU and others instead of Towson or Elon. Baseball is another no brainer: CUSA > CAA.

Additionally, I still don't understand everyone's fascination with JMU. As a whole, there athletic program is mostly awful year after year. They bring nothing to the table other than being a few hours closer than some other schools. Most importantly, why would we want to take away our biggest recruiting advantage over them - being FBS? Why invite more FBS competition and water down the recruiting pool even further for us? It reminds me of when VCU put a bonus clause in Shaka's contract for beating us. The main reason for this was so they could maintain one of the only advantages they had over us in recruiting.

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