(01-31-2018 10:47 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:18 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:14 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:12 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  What a dish by Martin. He has such quality bounce in isolation.

While there is a roster issue for talent, Martin can create his own offense at a fairly elite level among D1 guards.

If we had Martin and say... I dunno... Crawford and a couple of Lawsons, this would be a NCAA team no problem.

Uh, we had them, and we weren't.

One more year of development would have done it I think.

C: Parks / Enoh
PF: Lawson* / Thorton
SF: Lawson* / Davenport
SG: Crawford* / Jamal / Brewton
PG: Martin / Nickleberry

That looks a LOT better.
That looks like a 6 seed.

Martin would not have stepped up and become Martin if the Lawsons were still here.

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Why? So you are saying that he is selfish and would only step up if he is the main option?

I agree, Martin is Martin because he has to be, and he would have deferred to the Lawson's had they stayed.

Whatever opened his eyes a few weeks ago to the reality of how to play the game is something everyone needs to have happen to them. There are those moments in time, that instance when confidence, practice and talent come together and you just know you can do it. If he could sprinkle that magic dust on the rest of the team, we'd win a championship this year.

Imagine the rest all playing like Jeremiah.

And, BTW, Jeremiah Martin is quite possibly the best fast break, lay-up finisher we have ever had.

(01-31-2018 10:47 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:18 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:14 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:12 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  What a dish by Martin. He has such quality bounce in isolation.

While there is a roster issue for talent, Martin can create his own offense at a fairly elite level among D1 guards.

If we had Martin and say... I dunno... Crawford and a couple of Lawsons, this would be a NCAA team no problem.

Uh, we had them, and we weren't.

One more year of development would have done it I think.

C: Parks / Enoh
PF: Lawson* / Thorton
SF: Lawson* / Davenport
SG: Crawford* / Jamal / Brewton
PG: Martin / Nickleberry

That looks a LOT better.
That looks like a 6 seed.

Martin would not have stepped up and become Martin if the Lawsons were still here.

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I love that we are asking for the players we had last year that completely imploded and lost their last two games by 70 points and lost what 7 or 8 straight but this year they would have listened to the coach and been a tourney team......whatever

(02-01-2018 06:19 AM)holyterror Wrote:  Arab had a nice moment there. But I doubt he’s ever a starter.

Ahab the A-rab?

USF hit over 90% of their free throws. It depressed our margin of victory.

(02-01-2018 12:25 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:54 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:46 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:16 PM)Shooters Wrote:  It’s relative. Watching him playing with the other players on the floor. Martin is good. Not special, spectacular or whatever.

He has his moments but he is not a complete player yet...

If he develops a more consistent shot and he would be special next year... 20ppg scorer probably with a lower usage rate than he has this year.

Go back and see how many players have averaged 20ppg for us in our history. Hard to do. Conference play brought his numbers down this year and will next year too. I think he can be a great defensive player-he can get more deflections with his wingspan but has decided to put his efforts into scoring the ball.

You know you have no idea what you are talking about...

You just pull stuff out of thin air...

Martin averages more ppg in conference than he did out of conference.

19.0 in conference in 8 games
18.5 in all games (21)
So not a big difference in the stats. I was working off memory when he had two low scoring games in a row in conference.

You think he will average 20 ppg? You didn’t name those that did.

If he develops a consistent shot and the Roster doesn't improve dramatically...He likely will score 20 ppg next year.

And your comments of naming who has scored 20ppg is irrelevant but at least you admit that you just pull things out of thin air.

(02-01-2018 09:00 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 12:25 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:54 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:46 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  He has his moments but he is not a complete player yet...

If he develops a more consistent shot and he would be special next year... 20ppg scorer probably with a lower usage rate than he has this year.

Go back and see how many players have averaged 20ppg for us in our history. Hard to do. Conference play brought his numbers down this year and will next year too. I think he can be a great defensive player-he can get more deflections with his wingspan but has decided to put his efforts into scoring the ball.

You know you have no idea what you are talking about...

You just pull stuff out of thin air...

Martin averages more ppg in conference than he did out of conference.

19.0 in conference in 8 games
18.5 in all games (21)
So not a big difference in the stats. I was working off memory when he had two low scoring games in a row in conference.

You think he will average 20 ppg? You didn’t name those that did.

If he develops a consistent shot and the Roster doesn't improve dramatically...He likely will score 20 ppg next year.

And your comments of naming who has scored 20ppg is irrelevant but at least you admit that you just pull things out of thin air.

I admit when I’m wrong unlike others here; if you want to split hairs over .2 to .3 ppg then call me the magician who pulls things out of thin air. YOU SAID HE WOULD AVERAGE 20 PPG. I told you how hard that was to do (especially for a Tiger at his talent level; if he were on a good Tiger NCAA tournament team, he might average 13-14) and if you could name those who did. So, no it’s not irrelevant.

(01-31-2018 08:49 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Mummy!!

FTR according to the miserables, the Mummy was Chad Rykhoek.

Because he was stiff.

Azab was referred to by a two word proper name of a former, young Egyptian king.

Because he was from Egypt.

Personally, I thought both monikers were over the line.

The miserables are truly miserable and never stop hating.

Sad.

Just leave the kids out of it.

(02-01-2018 08:10 AM)cmt Wrote:  I agree, Martin is Martin because he has to be, and he would have deferred to the Lawson's had they stayed.

Whatever opened his eyes a few weeks ago to the reality of how to play the game is something everyone needs to have happen to them. There are those moments in time, that instance when confidence, practice and talent come together and you just know you can do it. If he could sprinkle that magic dust on the rest of the team, we'd win a championship this year.

Imagine the rest all playing like Jeremiah.

And, BTW, Jeremiah Martin is quite possibly the best fast break, lay-up finisher we have ever had.

You might be forgetting a few.

(02-01-2018 12:26 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 08:10 AM)cmt Wrote:  I agree, Martin is Martin because he has to be, and he would have deferred to the Lawson's had they stayed.

Whatever opened his eyes a few weeks ago to the reality of how to play the game is something everyone needs to have happen to them. There are those moments in time, that instance when confidence, practice and talent come together and you just know you can do it. If he could sprinkle that magic dust on the rest of the team, we'd win a championship this year.

Imagine the rest all playing like Jeremiah.

And, BTW, Jeremiah Martin is quite possibly the best fast break, lay-up finisher we have ever had.

You might be forgetting a few.

Lol, more than a few. As I said, Martin is a good player. Would be 4th option on E8 team, 3rd on S16, 2cd on Tournament team (these would be on TYPICAL E8, S16, etc teams).

(02-01-2018 12:21 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 08:49 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Mummy!!

FTR according to the miserables, the Mummy was Chad Rykhoek.

Because he was stiff.

Azab was referred to by a two word proper name of a former, young Egyptian king.

Because he was from Egypt.

Personally, I thought both monikers were over the line.

The miserables are truly miserable and never stop hating.

Sad.

Just leave the kids out of it.

Is miserables what we are calling blutards board now?

(02-01-2018 08:17 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 06:19 AM)holyterror Wrote:  Arab had a nice moment there. But I doubt he’s ever a starter.

Ahab the A-rab?

Sort. My phone is equipped with autoincorrect.

Ahab needs to shed 50 lbs give or take if he wants to be competitive in motion.

He's an object at rest that tends to remain so.

#Newtonslaws

(02-01-2018 12:13 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 09:00 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 12:25 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:54 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:46 PM)Shooters Wrote:  Go back and see how many players have averaged 20ppg for us in our history. Hard to do. Conference play brought his numbers down this year and will next year too. I think he can be a great defensive player-he can get more deflections with his wingspan but has decided to put his efforts into scoring the ball.

You know you have no idea what you are talking about...

You just pull stuff out of thin air...

Martin averages more ppg in conference than he did out of conference.

19.0 in conference in 8 games
18.5 in all games (21)
So not a big difference in the stats. I was working off memory when he had two low scoring games in a row in conference.

You think he will average 20 ppg? You didn’t name those that did.

If he develops a consistent shot and the Roster doesn't improve dramatically...He likely will score 20 ppg next year.

And your comments of naming who has scored 20ppg is irrelevant but at least you admit that you just pull things out of thin air.

I admit when I’m wrong unlike others here; if you want to split hairs over .2 to .3 ppg then call me the magician who pulls things out of thin air. YOU SAID HE WOULD AVERAGE 20 PPG. I told you how hard that was to do (especially for a Tiger at his talent level; if he were on a good Tiger NCAA tournament team, he might average 13-14) and if you could name those who did. So, no it’s not irrelevant.

My original post said that if he develops a consistent outside shot he would average 20ppg...That statement hasnt' changed.

You stated that Martin scoring went down in league...He is averaging about 1 more point per game in league than he was Out of Conference. Conference play has brought his numbers up...But that is splitting hairs...Too funny

If 1 point per game is insignificant or 'splitting hairs' hell you are splitting hairs about 20ppg because he is only about 1ppg away from 20ppg THIS year without improving his shot.

(02-01-2018 09:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 12:13 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 09:00 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 12:25 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 09:54 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You know you have no idea what you are talking about...

You just pull stuff out of thin air...

Martin averages more ppg in conference than he did out of conference.

19.0 in conference in 8 games
18.5 in all games (21)
So not a big difference in the stats. I was working off memory when he had two low scoring games in a row in conference.

You think he will average 20 ppg? You didn’t name those that did.

If he develops a consistent shot and the Roster doesn't improve dramatically...He likely will score 20 ppg next year.

And your comments of naming who has scored 20ppg is irrelevant but at least you admit that you just pull things out of thin air.

I admit when I’m wrong unlike others here; if you want to split hairs over .2 to .3 ppg then call me the magician who pulls things out of thin air. YOU SAID HE WOULD AVERAGE 20 PPG. I told you how hard that was to do (especially for a Tiger at his talent level; if he were on a good Tiger NCAA tournament team, he might average 13-14) and if you could name those who did. So, no it’s not irrelevant.

My original post said that if he develops a consistent outside shot he would average 20ppg...That statement hasnt' changed.

You stated that Martin scoring went down in league...He is averaging about 1 more point per game in league than he was Out of Conference. Conference play has brought his numbers up...But that is splitting hairs...Too funny

If 1 point per game is insignificant or 'splitting hairs' hell you are splitting hairs about 20ppg because he is only about 1ppg away from 20ppg THIS year without improving his shot.

WHAT MEMPHIS PLAYERS HAVE AVERAGED 20 PPG FOR MEMPHIS TIGERS OVER A WHOLE SEASON? And Is Martin a player that you wou place in their company as a comparable player?

Not knocking the kid. He might have been buried on the bench and not got a chance on one of Cal’s good teams(or any good high major) because of his ball handling deficiencies that he still has. Tubby had no choice but to play him and let him shoot. He has turned into a good player. HIS SHOOTING IS VERY MEDIOCRE. 43% overal and 32% from 3s. This might be a career year for him but you could be right just due to lack of talent. Not a typical 20 ppg Memphis scorer. He is getting his numbers through a lot iof shot attempts.

(02-02-2018 12:03 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 09:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 12:13 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 09:00 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 12:25 AM)Shooters Wrote:  19.0 in conference in 8 games
18.5 in all games (21)
So not a big difference in the stats. I was working off memory when he had two low scoring games in a row in conference.

You think he will average 20 ppg? You didn’t name those that did.

If he develops a consistent shot and the Roster doesn't improve dramatically...He likely will score 20 ppg next year.

And your comments of naming who has scored 20ppg is irrelevant but at least you admit that you just pull things out of thin air.

I admit when I’m wrong unlike others here; if you want to split hairs over .2 to .3 ppg then call me the magician who pulls things out of thin air. YOU SAID HE WOULD AVERAGE 20 PPG. I told you how hard that was to do (especially for a Tiger at his talent level; if he were on a good Tiger NCAA tournament team, he might average 13-14) and if you could name those who did. So, no it’s not irrelevant.

My original post said that if he develops a consistent outside shot he would average 20ppg...That statement hasnt' changed.

You stated that Martin scoring went down in league...He is averaging about 1 more point per game in league than he was Out of Conference. Conference play has brought his numbers up...But that is splitting hairs...Too funny

If 1 point per game is insignificant or 'splitting hairs' hell you are splitting hairs about 20ppg because he is only about 1ppg away from 20ppg THIS year without improving his shot.

WHAT MEMPHIS PLAYERS HAVE AVERAGED 20 PPG FOR MEMPHIS TIGERS OVER A WHOLE SEASON? And Is Martin a player that you wou place in their company as a comparable player?

Not knocking the kid. He might have been buried on the bench and not got a chance on one of Cal’s good teams(or any good high major) because of his ball handling deficiencies that he still has. Tubby had no choice but to play him and let him shoot. He has turned into a good player. HIS SHOOTING IS VERY MEDIOCRE. 43% overal and 32% from 3s. This might be a career year for him but you could be right just due to lack of talent. Not a typical 20 ppg Memphis scorer. He is getting his numbers through a lot iof shot attempts.

He’s shooting 52% from 2 pt range and not a bad 32% from 3. He takes 13 FG attempts a game. Averaging 18 pts a game on 13 attempts is not mediocre. As for a lot of shot attempts, it’s not even close. The team on average takes 55 shots a game and Martin, the best player, takes about 23% of the shots. Averaging close to 40% of shots would mean a “lot of shots.”

(02-02-2018 12:03 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 09:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 12:13 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 09:00 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 12:25 AM)Shooters Wrote:  19.0 in conference in 8 games
18.5 in all games (21)
So not a big difference in the stats. I was working off memory when he had two low scoring games in a row in conference.

You think he will average 20 ppg? You didn’t name those that did.

If he develops a consistent shot and the Roster doesn't improve dramatically...He likely will score 20 ppg next year.

And your comments of naming who has scored 20ppg is irrelevant but at least you admit that you just pull things out of thin air.

I admit when I’m wrong unlike others here; if you want to split hairs over .2 to .3 ppg then call me the magician who pulls things out of thin air. YOU SAID HE WOULD AVERAGE 20 PPG. I told you how hard that was to do (especially for a Tiger at his talent level; if he were on a good Tiger NCAA tournament team, he might average 13-14) and if you could name those who did. So, no it’s not irrelevant.

My original post said that if he develops a consistent outside shot he would average 20ppg...That statement hasnt' changed.

You stated that Martin scoring went down in league...He is averaging about 1 more point per game in league than he was Out of Conference. Conference play has brought his numbers up...But that is splitting hairs...Too funny

If 1 point per game is insignificant or 'splitting hairs' hell you are splitting hairs about 20ppg because he is only about 1ppg away from 20ppg THIS year without improving his shot.

WHAT MEMPHIS PLAYERS HAVE AVERAGED 20 PPG FOR MEMPHIS TIGERS OVER A WHOLE SEASON? And Is Martin a player that you wou place in their company as a comparable player?

Not knocking the kid. He might have been buried on the bench and not got a chance on one of Cal’s good teams(or any good high major) because of his ball handling deficiencies that he still has. Tubby had no choice but to play him and let him shoot. He has turned into a good player. HIS SHOOTING IS VERY MEDIOCRE. 43% overal and 32% from 3s. This might be a career year for him but you could be right just due to lack of talent. Not a typical 20 ppg Memphis scorer. He is getting his numbers through a lot iof shot attempts.

Is someone arguing this? Don't think what you said is disputable. We'll find out after the season ends when we see what schools are after him. However, it doesn't seem like he's on pace to graduate so that's a positive. Can't see him transferring and sitting out a year, Grad transfer, well that's a different story.

(02-01-2018 12:54 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 12:21 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 08:49 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Mummy!!

FTR according to the miserables, the Mummy was Chad Rykhoek.

Because he was stiff.

Azab was referred to by a two word proper name of a former, young Egyptian king.

Because he was from Egypt.

Personally, I thought both monikers were over the line.

The miserables are truly miserable and never stop hating.

Sad.

Just leave the kids out of it.

Is miserables what we are calling blutards board now?

It's according to who "we" is.

(02-02-2018 01:18 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 12:03 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 09:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 12:13 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-01-2018 09:00 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  If he develops a consistent shot and the Roster doesn't improve dramatically...He likely will score 20 ppg next year.

And your comments of naming who has scored 20ppg is irrelevant but at least you admit that you just pull things out of thin air.

I admit when I’m wrong unlike others here; if you want to split hairs over .2 to .3 ppg then call me the magician who pulls things out of thin air. YOU SAID HE WOULD AVERAGE 20 PPG. I told you how hard that was to do (especially for a Tiger at his talent level; if he were on a good Tiger NCAA tournament team, he might average 13-14) and if you could name those who did. So, no it’s not irrelevant.

My original post said that if he develops a consistent outside shot he would average 20ppg...That statement hasnt' changed.

You stated that Martin scoring went down in league...He is averaging about 1 more point per game in league than he was Out of Conference. Conference play has brought his numbers up...But that is splitting hairs...Too funny

If 1 point per game is insignificant or 'splitting hairs' hell you are splitting hairs about 20ppg because he is only about 1ppg away from 20ppg THIS year without improving his shot.

WHAT MEMPHIS PLAYERS HAVE AVERAGED 20 PPG FOR MEMPHIS TIGERS OVER A WHOLE SEASON? And Is Martin a player that you wou place in their company as a comparable player?

Not knocking the kid. He might have been buried on the bench and not got a chance on one of Cal’s good teams(or any good high major) because of his ball handling deficiencies that he still has. Tubby had no choice but to play him and let him shoot. He has turned into a good player. HIS SHOOTING IS VERY MEDIOCRE. 43% overal and 32% from 3s. This might be a career year for him but you could be right just due to lack of talent. Not a typical 20 ppg Memphis scorer. He is getting his numbers through a lot iof shot attempts.

Is someone arguing this? Don't think what you said is disputable. We'll find out after the season ends when we see what schools are after him. However, it doesn't seem like he's on pace to graduate so that's a positive. Can't see him transferring and sitting out a year, Grad transfer, well that's a different story.

I’m don’t think which schools chase you as a grad transfer are an indication of how good you are. It’s like musical chairs. Our good teams offered some iffy guys as have Kansas, Baylor, etc. if you get caught short at a position, have to offer what’s left.

That being said, a lot of big time programs will be after him as a slasher and defender; he finishes very well, draws fouls-hits FTs too and is an underrated defender when he steps up that part of his game. I think when he does, he is one of the best 5 defenders at the guard position in the country. His high scoring average is more an indication of this team’s lack of scorers than his ability to score at a high rate efficiently.

All that said, he is a very good player ON THIS TEAM. Perfect fit at the right time.