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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 02:27 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Its frightening what has happened to UTEP. No school was hurt more in the last round of realignment from the G5 schools than UTEP.

They were a disaster long before the last round of realignment. Between the time they joined CUSA and the forming of the AAC, they had 1 winning season of football (their 1st season) and 1 NCAA tournament appearance

Not that their football was much better before joining CUSA, in the WAC they had 2 winning seasons since 1990
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

Its not sustainable for the people outside of the P5. Never was. Conferences like the AAC are living off of credit cards while trying to keep up with the Joneses while in a facilities arms race.

All while running 40-50% (or more) subsidized athletics budgets on the students' loan balances so they can amortize that extra few grand over the next 20 years in order to pay coaches millions a year...in 20 years we may all look back on this period and ask WTF people were thinking.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
It is very simple. Get rid of the rule that the athletic departments have to pay the school for tuition and room and board and the deficits go away. The money from the schools is nothing more than a refund of the scholarship payments.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

This again?

Division I FBS athletics is a marketing cost center for the university. Period.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-31-2018 09:02 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

Its not sustainable for the people outside of the P5. Never was. Conferences like the AAC are living off of credit cards while trying to keep up with the Joneses while in a facilities arms race.

All while running 40-50% (or more) subsidized athletics budgets on the students' loan balances so they can amortize that extra few grand over the next 20 years in order to pay coaches millions a year...in 20 years we may all look back on this period and ask WTF people were thinking.

This is the most accurate and best description I’ve seen of whats going on right now. Also gives creedance to the notion of going indy in fb and getting hoops in the Big East...ir fb is dying a slow G4 death.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-31-2018 02:17 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 09:02 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

Its not sustainable for the people outside of the P5. Never was. Conferences like the AAC are living off of credit cards while trying to keep up with the Joneses while in a facilities arms race.

All while running 40-50% (or more) subsidized athletics budgets on the students' loan balances so they can amortize that extra few grand over the next 20 years in order to pay coaches millions a year...in 20 years we may all look back on this period and ask WTF people were thinking.

This is the most accurate and best description I’ve seen of whats going on right now. Also gives creedance to the notion of going indy in fb and getting hoops in the Big East...ir fb is dying a slow G4 death.

Big East and Indy for...Cincinnati?
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
I still don't understand why the AAC schools aren't worth 8-12 million/year.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-31-2018 03:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 02:17 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 09:02 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 12:17 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I do not know how "accurate" these numbers are but if they are true, then college football at the highest level is unsustainable for most.

Is there something else not being factored in here ?

Very scary if these are legit.

Athletic Departments and their associated financials in the State of Texas

Its not sustainable for the people outside of the P5. Never was. Conferences like the AAC are living off of credit cards while trying to keep up with the Joneses while in a facilities arms race.

All while running 40-50% (or more) subsidized athletics budgets on the students' loan balances so they can amortize that extra few grand over the next 20 years in order to pay coaches millions a year...in 20 years we may all look back on this period and ask WTF people were thinking.

This is the most accurate and best description I’ve seen of whats going on right now. Also gives creedance to the notion of going indy in fb and getting hoops in the Big East...ir fb is dying a slow G4 death.

Big East and Indy for...Cincinnati?

we wouldn’t get in with the XU there now but yeah. I know people will quickly say independent football will kill Cincinnati football. But they’re missing the point- our football is going to die a slow death in the G4 anyway. Why not at least try and get basketball to a safe haven. Uconn too. It would be worse in the short run but better in the long run (barring we are holdimg out hope for a P5 invite). The premise of my proposal is based on the rath’s comments which I believe are accurate. What we are doing right now is not sustainable long-term and therefore our football program is going to slowly die in the current set up.
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RE: A sobering look at the deficit many schools run in athletics, especially football
(01-30-2018 10:33 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 02:27 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Its frightening what has happened to UTEP. No school was hurt more in the last round of realignment from the G5 schools than UTEP.

There's no reason for them to be as bad as they are. They're the only game in town and have huge, historic venues in both major sports. They have a romantic history in basketball. I've gotta blame the administration. There's no reason they should be languishing at the bottom of C-USA, getting beaten by programs that didn't even exist when they won a national title and when the Sun Bowl game was created.

Who wants to go to college in El Paso?
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I wouldn't have minded it. Many teens in Texas do it to get away from their parents while paying in-state tuition..
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