(01-30-2018 12:09 AM)doss2 Wrote:  Lately getting the play many expected from JC. If we were getting what we were told to expect from CB (last year best player in practice) we would have only 1 loss perhaps none.

Seriously?

I really don't know yet. The last NCAA tournament team we beat was Buffalo and that was in November in another country.

I know we are good. We have beaten every single team that we should have beat (19-0), and that is not easy. It is never easy to win on the road. The competition is going to start picking up with Houston, @SMU, and Wichita coming into the fold, so this should provide a more realistic assessment.

My opinion overall, is this probably Mick's best team, certainly his most balanced team on offense and defense. Jacob Evans has NBA talent and size for 2/3. Gary Clark is a highly efficient/productive college player. Cumberland, Washington, and Broome are also solid cotributors for us.

The Xavier game still scares me. I know X was playing great and at home, but our defense looked awful that day. I know its one game, but we have not played another team even close to that level offensively so it's hard to to tell. Maybe after we play Wichita we will know more about our defense. I just don't get super excited when we shut down teams like Temple, Memphis, and UCF because they are all bad offensively. I think our defense can make bad offenses even worse, average offenses bad, but good offenses =???

(01-29-2018 09:08 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  In recent years I've seriously fallen off with CBB. Bored to tears by our play, and just the sport in general. So, now here we are approaching the end of the year and after that exciting 4 game stretch I've slacked off once again.

I see we're highly ranked - top 10 - but i don't have any real feel for what's happening, and our chances to actually win when it counts. this year. I'm going to rein in my skepticism for Mick & Co. for a moment and ask y'all what you think. How are we looking, and what's your guesses for how the post season plays out?




mc

since you asked, i think you should find another sport that interests you. try a cyclones game on dollar beer night.

you’re missing out on a fun season.

Honest assessment of this year's team...

• They have a lot of talent
• They have not been adequately tested to feel overly confident yet in March
• They can defend against any team
• I don't know if they can score against every team
• March often comes down to: match-up's, guard play, and how is the game being officiated
• You can't control the match-up's, nor the officiating...although I do worry about guard play (turnovers and consistent scoring)
• Gary Clark is really good
• I assume if the game was on the line (down by 1) with time running out... Jacob Evans gets the ball and the last shot. Do you trust him to make it...and will he take it with enough time left on the clock to allow Gary to rebound it and put it back?
  

I like this team's chances... a lot.

I wish they would have had more opportunities against better competition to prove how good they might be...and to prepare for what is to come.

I think we still have some folks who were KState fans for a minute a dozen years ago who have latent conditioning to fight accepting how good things are right now.

Do we really have some fans who will be more involved if we are struggling versus being ranked #8 in the country with our score updates on the ESPN bottom of the screen ticker every game? Yep. It’s certifiably cookoo.

I don’t give a darn if they sit out or pout or whatever this is. Missing out on one hell of a season.

(01-29-2018 09:17 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I think that we are as good as the 92 team but not the 00 or 96.

NO way this team is as good as the 92 team. Nick Van Exel, Erik Martin, Terry Nelson, AD Jackson, Terrence Gibson, Corey Blount. That team went to the elite 8 and lost to National Champ UNC in overtime, coming off a Final 4 the previous year. Backups were Curtis Bostic, LaZelle Durden, Keith Gregor.

I'm having a blast . These guys are really easy to root for.

(01-29-2018 09:08 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  In recent years I've seriously fallen off with CBB. Bored to tears by our play, and just the sport in general. So, now here we are approaching the end of the year and after that exciting 4 game stretch I've slacked off once again.

I see we're highly ranked - top 10 - but i don't have any real feel for what's happening, and our chances to actually win when it counts. this year. I'm going to rein in my skepticism for Mick & Co. for a moment and ask y'all what you think. How are we looking, and what's your guesses for how the post season plays out?




mc

This fanbase . . .

(01-30-2018 09:15 AM)JunctaJuvant Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 09:17 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I think that we are as good as the 92 team but not the 00 or 96.

NO way this team is as good as the 92 team. Nick Van Exel, Erik Martin, Terry Nelson, AD Jackson, Terrence Gibson, Corey Blount. That team went to the elite 8 and lost to National Champ UNC in overtime, coming off a Final 4 the previous year. Backups were Curtis Bostic, LaZelle Durden, Keith Gregor.

I think this team is better than that team. Frankly I think this one is decidedly better in a couple areas. Sacrilege I know.

Look I attended all 4 of the Memphis games that year. Got the T-shirt. Even attended 2 lossses to DePaul who would have likely beaten us a third time in the conference finals had Memphis State not done us a solid.

That team got lucky as hell with its draw. We all knew it at the time. Having the 1, 2, 3 seeds bounced early sure didn’t hurt.

We got a busted bracket draw like X seems to get every other year. Thems the breaks. Get a draw like UC does of late and who knows if that team even makes the Sweet 16. That was a heck of a fun team too but Lady Luck in the bracket sure helps. Please God, I’ve been good....this March let UC face a 13 seed, a 5 seed (perhaps one that we blew a double digit lead to in the regular season), a 9 seed and a 6 seed (that we already beat 3 times that year). Starting the tournament with what was effectively a couple home games was a treat as well.

(01-30-2018 08:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think we still have some folks who were KState fans for a minute a dozen years ago who have latent conditioning to fight accepting how good things are right now.

Do we really have some fans who will be more involved if we are struggling versus being ranked #8 in the country with our score updates on the ESPN bottom of the screen ticker every game? Yep. It’s certifiably cookoo.

I don’t give a darn if they sit out or pout or whatever this is. Missing out on one hell of a season.

I had forgotten about that. I remember a couple of assclowns who used to sit behind me in KSU shirts during Mick's 1st season.
Meantime, I'm just gonna enjoy the hell out of this season and worry about next year when it gets here. The only negative I can think of so far has been having a great team like this play their home games off-campus.

There are even 1-2 in this thread who famously marched off to the KState message boards to pledge their allegiance if I recall, correctly.

(01-30-2018 09:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-30-2018 09:15 AM)JunctaJuvant Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 09:17 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I think that we are as good as the 92 team but not the 00 or 96.

NO way this team is as good as the 92 team. Nick Van Exel, Erik Martin, Terry Nelson, AD Jackson, Terrence Gibson, Corey Blount. That team went to the elite 8 and lost to National Champ UNC in overtime, coming off a Final 4 the previous year. Backups were Curtis Bostic, LaZelle Durden, Keith Gregor.

I think this team is better than that team. Frankly I think this one is decidedly better in a couple areas. Sacrilege I know.

Look I attended all 4 of the Memphis games that year. Got the T-shirt. Even attended 2 lossses to DePaul who would have likely beaten us a third time in the conference finals had Memphis State not done us a solid.

That team got lucky as hell with its draw. We all knew it at the time. Having the 1, 2, 3 seeds bounced early sure didn’t hurt.

We got a busted bracket draw like X seems to get every other year. Thems the breaks. Get a draw like UC does of late and who knows if that team even makes the Sweet 16. That was a heck of a fun team too but Lady Luck in the bracket sure helps. Please God, I’ve been good....this March let UC face a 13 seed, a 5 seed (perhaps one that we blew a double digit lead to in the regular season), a 9 seed and a 6 seed (that we already beat 3 times that year). Starting the tournament with what was effectively a couple home games was a treat as well.

Hard for me to be great at discussing whether this team is better than 1992... I was in first grade. I remember watching every game and being completely into it, but my basketball brain wasn't there yet. I'm not surprised to hear you say that though and I think the numbers back it up. I think the 1993 team was actually better than the 1992 team (despite no Herb Jones who was magnificent), but just ran into the national champs in the elite eight (had every chance to win that as well).

This team is objectively (by the numbers) not as good as 2000 or 2002, which were by the numbers the best two teams UC has had since the 1960s. Talent wise I'd say 2000 was certainly better, but this team is every bit as talented as the 2002 squad (and probably more talented across the board). I'm amazed to this day at how good the 2002 team was at offense given the players surrounding Logan, which says a lot about how great Logan was that season. 2002 team was 7th in kenpom adjusted offense, this team is 60th. That being said, I think this team is a little underrated in that respect, because the defense has been so freaking dominant Mick plays a lot of the players still learning (particularly late in games) or mediocre to poor offensive bigs. I think when Mick sticks to the better players this is more like a top 40 offense. I'd like to see them be a top 30 offense, because history says that is needed to make a final four run.

I also think this team hasn't had a hot shooting stretch that I feel like they are due for. Any way you dice it this team has far more in common with the 1992, 1993, 1996, 2000 and 2002 teams than the other UC teams of the past. Those teams are this teams' peers at UC. This team may accomplish more than all of them when its all said and done.

They are really fun to watch, not really sure how good they are, only 1-2 vs. top 50 kenpom teams, not really running the gauntlet like the ACC or the old BE. Think the very poor OOC schedule will keep them down a seed line.

I'm still not convinced that our pg play is good enough to get to an elite 8 game.

I love that this team is 19-2 and doesn't lose games they are supposed to win.

Unfortunately, this will be a highly forgettable regular season, due to lack of big games. Fair or not, this team will be judged solely on the basis of how far it gets in the NCAA tournament.

(01-30-2018 09:15 AM)JunctaJuvant Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 09:17 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I think that we are as good as the 92 team but not the 00 or 96.

NO way this team is as good as the 92 team. Nick Van Exel, Erik Martin, Terry Nelson, AD Jackson, Terrence Gibson, Corey Blount. That team went to the elite 8 and lost to National Champ UNC in overtime, coming off a Final 4 the previous year. Backups were Curtis Bostic, LaZelle Durden, Keith Gregor.

The 92 team was the final four team. I think the 93 team was better even though they exited the field earlier.

This UC team is very good and they have as good a shot as anybody in the nation of making a deep run. The NCAA tournament is a crapshoot we all know that. If the right people on this team get hot and can rise to the occasion this is a Darkhorse for the final four. I’m not expecting a final four, but they are good enough to get there.

00 Team
92 Team
96 Team
93 Team
01 Team

those are our best teams since Huggins took over

no idea where this year team fits in...

(01-30-2018 10:56 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  00 Team
92 Team
96 Team
93 Team
01 Team

those are our best teams since Huggins took over

no idea where this year team fits in...

01 team was not one of the 5 best. 02 team was though.

(01-30-2018 10:55 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  This UC team is very good and they have as good a shot as anybody in the nation of making a deep run. The NCAA tournament is a crapshoot we all know that. If the right people on this team get hot and can rise to the occasion this is a Darkhorse for the final four. I’m not expecting a final four, but they are good enough to get there.

This team would not be a darkhorse final four team. They won't necessarily be favored to get there, but they'll certainly be one of the teams expected to have a great shot.