Quote:That the exact contents of the almost-infamous Nunes memo — a four-page classified document apparently claiming the FBI engaged in “shocking” surveillance abuses —have remained secret even as the document has captured headlines for weeks and is available to all House members to view is remarkable in today’s Washington.

Its author, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., and some of his GOP colleagues on the House Intelligence Committee want to declassify it, and may vote to do so as soon as Monday. The White House says it supports “full transparency.” The Justice Department, on the other hand, says that to make it public without their review and possible redactions would be “extraordinarily reckless.” And Democrats accuse Nunes of trying to derail Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III's probe into Russia's influence in the 2016 election and whether it worked with the Trump campaign.

Megan Stifel, a former attorney at DOJ’s National Security Division who helped draft the FISA Amendments Act, cautioned that the report may contain speculation that readers might mistake for fact.

“I think discussions around this memo have made it clear that even at the highest levels of government, we have people who don’t understand how FISA works,” Stifel said. “(This report) might speculate, and the speculations could be really wrong, and it could do huge damage to national security.”

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics...66409.html

The bolded part.

If we've got lawmakers at the highest levels of government who don't understand how FISA works, I would say that it's high time EVERY American has a good understanding of how it works. No?

Again, we're talking about a US federal law which establishes procedures for the physical and electronic surveillance and collection of "foreign intelligence information" between "foreign powers" and "agents of foreign powers" suspected of espionage or terrorism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_In...llance_Act

Today's urgency is that it appears a sitting president and his administration, in the interest of aiding a candidate of his own party, allowed the law to be manipulated to the point that political adversaries, AMERICANS, were put under surveillance.

This should scare the living crap out of anyone who believes in the US Constitution. Your party affiliation should not matter.

More from the link above:

Quote:Generally, the statute permits electronic surveillance in two different scenarios.

Without a court order.

The President may authorize, through the Attorney General, electronic surveillance without a court order for the period of one year, provided that it is only to acquire foreign intelligence information,[5] that it is solely directed at communications or property controlled exclusively by foreign powers,[6] that there is no substantial likelihood that it will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party, and that it be conducted only in accordance with defined minimization procedures.

The code defines "foreign intelligence information" to mean information necessary to protect the United States against actual or potential grave attack, sabotage or international terrorism.

With a court order.

Alternatively, the government may seek a court order permitting the surveillance using the FISA court. Approval of a FISA application requires the court find probable cause that the target of the surveillance be a "foreign power" or an "agent of a foreign power", and that the places at which surveillance is requested is used or will be used by that foreign power or its agent. In addition, the court must find that the proposed surveillance meet certain "minimization requirements" for information pertaining to U.S. persons. Depending on the type of surveillance, approved orders or extensions of orders may be active for 90 days, 120 days, or a year.

Release the memo

The fact that some in the DOJ keep changing their story as to why they DONT want the memo released should be very telling to those who can figure these things out. Mach, do you agree?

(01-28-2018 01:17 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Release the memo

Just take a page out of the other sides book and have someone anonymously give it to a member of the media they trust to run with it. Watch the shitstorm commence.

Bump to ensure Mach can read this and give us his Jester interpretation of why the DOJ keeps changing their story as to why the memo shouldnt be released to us peasants

(01-28-2018 02:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Bump to ensure Mach can read this and give us his Jester interpretation of why the DOJ keeps changing their story as to why the memo shouldnt be released to us peasants

I checked the Gesture's twitter the other day and it was quiet on this front.

(01-28-2018 03:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 02:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Bump to ensure Mach can read this and give us his Jester interpretation of why the DOJ keeps changing their story as to why the memo shouldnt be released to us peasants

I checked the Gesture's twitter the other day and it was quiet on this front.

Perhaps I should have issued a trigger warning to him prior to inviting him to have an adult discussion on this topic.

(01-28-2018 03:23 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 03:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 02:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Bump to ensure Mach can read this and give us his Jester interpretation of why the DOJ keeps changing their story as to why the memo shouldnt be released to us peasants

I checked the Gesture's twitter the other day and it was quiet on this front.

Perhaps I should have issued a trigger warning to him prior to inviting him to have an adult discussion on this topic.

Mach says El Jokero is a conservative. I'm not sure. He's anti Trump though. He's also very full of himself. He's a hackivist that can't hack otherwise he'd have the goods like he claimed he had.

(01-28-2018 03:28 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 03:23 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 03:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 02:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Bump to ensure Mach can read this and give us his Jester interpretation of why the DOJ keeps changing their story as to why the memo shouldnt be released to us peasants

I checked the Gesture's twitter the other day and it was quiet on this front.

Perhaps I should have issued a trigger warning to him prior to inviting him to have an adult discussion on this topic.

Mach says El Jokero is a conservative. I'm not sure. He's anti Trump though. He's also very full of himself. He's a hackivist that can't hack otherwise he'd have the goods like he claimed he had.

Mach is busy slobbering over Ken Starr now. It may be a while before he shows up.

(01-28-2018 03:31 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 03:28 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 03:23 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 03:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 02:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Bump to ensure Mach can read this and give us his Jester interpretation of why the DOJ keeps changing their story as to why the memo shouldnt be released to us peasants

I checked the Gesture's twitter the other day and it was quiet on this front.

Perhaps I should have issued a trigger warning to him prior to inviting him to have an adult discussion on this topic.

Mach says El Jokero is a conservative. I'm not sure. He's anti Trump though. He's also very full of himself. He's a hackivist that can't hack otherwise he'd have the goods like he claimed he had.

Mach is busy slobbering over Ken Starr now. It may be a while before he shows up.

cbstringofnumbers just says stupid shyte to stir the pot. Mach on the otherhand, I'm worried about.

Well tomorrow is Monday and the spamming will commence bright and early.

(01-28-2018 03:28 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 03:23 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 03:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 02:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Bump to ensure Mach can read this and give us his Jester interpretation of why the DOJ keeps changing their story as to why the memo shouldnt be released to us peasants

I checked the Gesture's twitter the other day and it was quiet on this front.

Perhaps I should have issued a trigger warning to him prior to inviting him to have an adult discussion on this topic.

Mach says El Jokero is a conservative. I'm not sure. He's anti Trump though. He's also very full of himself. He's a hackivist that can't hack otherwise he'd have the goods like he claimed he had.

Because he's a teenaged kid tweeting from the basement of his mom's house in the suburbs of Muncie, IN who gets off on pulling a con job on the mentally ill.

http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-...ansparency

(01-28-2018 04:13 PM)gdunn Wrote:  http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-...ansparency

Quote:"Indeed, we do not understand why the committee would possibly seek to disclose this information without first consulting the relevant members of the Intelligence Community," Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd wrote to the lawmakers on Thursday.

Just a guess, but maybe it's because you guys have had to be dragged kicking and screaming to do your part in providing documentation to the Congress.

Or perhaps it's that there's now growing evidence that the FBI used unverified information bought and paid for by President Trump's political enemies in order to win a FISA warrant to spy against Americans, including a presidential candidate and later the staff of a sitting president. Could that possibly be it, Ass Attorney General Boyd?

What? Mach hasnt responded yet? Color me shocked.

(01-28-2018 01:05 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

Quote:That the exact contents of the almost-infamous Nunes memo — a four-page classified document apparently claiming the FBI engaged in “shocking” surveillance abuses —have remained secret even as the document has captured headlines for weeks and is available to all House members to view is remarkable in today’s Washington.

Its author, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., and some of his GOP colleagues on the House Intelligence Committee want to declassify it, and may vote to do so as soon as Monday. The White House says it supports “full transparency.” The Justice Department, on the other hand, says that to make it public without their review and possible redactions would be “extraordinarily reckless.” And Democrats accuse Nunes of trying to derail Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III's probe into Russia's influence in the 2016 election and whether it worked with the Trump campaign.

Megan Stifel, a former attorney at DOJ’s National Security Division who helped draft the FISA Amendments Act, cautioned that the report may contain speculation that readers might mistake for fact.

“I think discussions around this memo have made it clear that even at the highest levels of government, we have people who don’t understand how FISA works,” Stifel said. “(This report) might speculate, and the speculations could be really wrong, and it could do huge damage to national security.”

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics...66409.html

The bolded part.

If we've got lawmakers at the highest levels of government who don't understand how FISA works, I would say that it's high time EVERY American has a good understanding of how it works. No?

Again, we're talking about a US federal law which establishes procedures for the physical and electronic surveillance and collection of "foreign intelligence information" between "foreign powers" and "agents of foreign powers" suspected of espionage or terrorism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_In...llance_Act

Today's urgency is that it appears a sitting president and his administration, in the interest of aiding a candidate of his own party, allowed the law to be manipulated to the point that political adversaries, AMERICANS, were put under surveillance.

This should scare the living crap out of anyone who believes in the US Constitution. Your party affiliation should not matter.

More from the link above:

Quote:Generally, the statute permits electronic surveillance in two different scenarios.

Without a court order.

The President may authorize, through the Attorney General, electronic surveillance without a court order for the period of one year, provided that it is only to acquire foreign intelligence information,[5] that it is solely directed at communications or property controlled exclusively by foreign powers,[6] that there is no substantial likelihood that it will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party, and that it be conducted only in accordance with defined minimization procedures.

The code defines "foreign intelligence information" to mean information necessary to protect the United States against actual or potential grave attack, sabotage or international terrorism.

With a court order.

Alternatively, the government may seek a court order permitting the surveillance using the FISA court. Approval of a FISA application requires the court find probable cause that the target of the surveillance be a "foreign power" or an "agent of a foreign power", and that the places at which surveillance is requested is used or will be used by that foreign power or its agent. In addition, the court must find that the proposed surveillance meet certain "minimization requirements" for information pertaining to U.S. persons. Depending on the type of surveillance, approved orders or extensions of orders may be active for 90 days, 120 days, or a year.

While we often add the word "gate" to a scandal to try to make it seem bigger than it is---this IS ACTUALLY WATERGATE--ONLY BIGGER.

Watergate was a group of Republicans, without the knowledge of the party or the president, who independently decided to attempt to bug the Democrat HQ Watergate offices and steal important Democrat documents. The Nixon crime was covering it up once he was informed of what they had done.

FISA-gate is actually using a fake dossier purchased from a foreign power with party funds and them presenting the dossier as "evidence" to friendly law enforcement officials (who never made any attempt to verify the information), as a pretext to use the intelligence assets of the US to monitor the opposition party. It was done with the full knowledge of the sitting president (Obama), his administration, law enforcement officials, and the Democratic candidate for president. Meanwhile, the same players were also involved in COVERING UP A CRIME (the Hillary email scandal) and knowing conspired to engage in obstruction of justice to avoid prosecution.

I continue to call my shot. When its all over, FISA-gate will easily eclipse Watergate as the high water mark of corruption and criminal behavior at the highest level of the federal executive branch.

Quote:(who never made any attempt to verify the information)

I'm not certain that any judge would have the sources or resources to "verify" the information presented to him. There's supposed to be a level of certainty in the validity of the information.....afterall, it's being presented to him by the friggin FBI.....which makes this all the more troubling.

I suspect (don't have a clue myself on this) that the judge simply issues his decision based on the merits or potential danger supposedly presented to the country. From what I've read, it's not an easy task to be awarded a FISA warrant that involves American citizens.

(01-28-2018 05:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I continue to call my shot. When its all over, FISA-gate will easily eclipse Watergate as the high water mark of corruption and criminal behavior at the highest level of the federal executive branch.

On this we are in 100% agreement.

FISA-gate is actually using a fake dossier purchased from a foreign power with party funds and them presenting the dossier as "evidence" to friendly law enforcement officials (who never made any attempt to verify the information), as a pretext to use the intelligence assets of the US to monitor the opposition party. It was done with the full knowledge of the sitting president (Obama), his administration, law enforcement officials, and the Democratic candidate for president. Meanwhile, the same players were also involved in COVERING UP A CRIME (the Hillary email scandal) and knowing conspired to engage in obstruction of justice to avoid prosecution.

I continue to call my shot. When its all over, FISA-gate will easily eclipse Watergate as the high water mark of corruption and criminal behavior at the highest level of the federal executive branch.
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And as usual even with the Demons with their hand in the cookie jar nothing will come of it. The Demons can't or won't worry about any crime done by them because in the end the Reps are so stupid that they'll just forgive any wrongdoing. Now, if Trump was the guilty one every mainstream media would be smelling meat on a carcass and not letting any tidbit get away.

Unfortunately, the only media that is sympathetic to the Reps is Fox and those dullards that voted Demoncraptic won't ever see the truth out there because it gets stifled by the Communistic MSM. The KGB would be proud to call the FBI a contemporary. They're of the same ilk.

The memo is Obama's crimes. Check the dates of Trump's Tweets.

Then read this story and the date Nunes received the in for from Trump at the Eisenhower SCIF.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/99829576?__...ssion=true

This SCIF reading is the basis of the memo.

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