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RE: Realignment proposal to end all further realignment
(01-29-2018 04:19 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
Quote:I think there are 3 pairs of schools the ACC could get enough of its members willing to vote to invite to get to 16:

Notre Dame - Penn State
Florida - Georgia
Texas - Oklahoma

And I think the probability of getting any of those pairs to accept is about as close to zero as you can get. I just don't see the ACC adding anybody at this point.

The ACC would go to 16 with Notre Dame + anyone. I think the football-first contingent would look at WVU. Louisville already broke the ACC's bar on academic qualifications. If WVU were still locked up in a GOR them it would probably be down to UConn or Navy.

The other two don't make any sense. Why not also throw out OSU + Michigan or Bama + LSU.

If ND did join up full, the ACC should (although still might not) take WV for #16 if available. Otherwise, Cincinnati or UConn for #16. They won't add a service academy.
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RE: Realignment proposal to end all further realignment
(01-29-2018 04:26 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 03:48 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  How about four 18 team conferences. Then the four conference playoff game champions, play in a four game national championship playoff.

Currently the P5 has 64 teams. The new P4 would have 72 teams. Of course this means no independents would be a member. Supply and demand would determine, which conference would fold and, which 8 teams would be added to reach 72 teams. 07-coffee3

18 teams is not a conference. It's two conferences where teams occasionally play teams in the other division. And "supply and demand" ignores regional and travel considerations. Is the ACC going to grab Iowa State because they were left out? Is the Pac12 going to add Wake Forest if the ACC is absorbed elsewhere?

Boards and presidents vote in expansion. There is no scenario where this makes sense. There is no Oz behind the scenes controlling these votes. These magical even numbers are fantasyland message board fodder.

While I don't think conferences over 16 are in the cards for the next round of realignment, such sizes are manageable with a more flexible schedule. Further deregulation of divisions and CCGs could allow for the abolishment of divisions within a conference. For example, each team in an 18-team conference could have 3 protected rivals and a rotating schedule of 5 or 6 of the other 14 opponents. Thus you could do a full conference run in 3 years, as opposed to the 6 years it currently takes for the 14-team ACC and SEC.

But even with three 6-team divisions, you could still play the whole conference in 3 years. Five games against your division plus 2 vs. each of the other 2 divisions every year.
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01-29-2018 04:36 PM
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RE: Realignment proposal to end all further realignment
(01-29-2018 04:19 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
Quote:I think there are 3 pairs of schools the ACC could get enough of its members willing to vote to invite to get to 16:

Notre Dame - Penn State
Florida - Georgia
Texas - Oklahoma

And I think the probability of getting any of those pairs to accept is about as close to zero as you can get. I just don't see the ACC adding anybody at this point.

The ACC would go to 16 with Notre Dame + anyone. I think the football-first contingent would look at WVU. Louisville already broke the ACC's bar on academic qualifications. If WVU were still locked up in a GOR them it would probably be down to UConn or Navy.

The other two don't make any sense. Why not also throw out OSU + Michigan or Bama + LSU.

My post was a response to one which stated that the ACC wouldn't consider expanding without ND joining full time. I disagreed, and listed two options which would be acceptable to current members that don't include Notre Dame. I'm not sure why you would think the other two make no sense. If OU and UT were to approach the ACC and ask if they could join, I think they could get enough votes to get in. Don't you? That is all I said.

As for Florida and Georgia, they probably make the most sense of all. Unlike OSU-Michigan or Alabama-LSU, those two have close relationships with four of the most important football members of the ACC. They are in the heart of the footprint. Like OU and UT, please note that I also said there is virtually zero chance of this happening. But that wasn't the question.

I can't imagine ACC members agreeing to invite the two pairs you mentioned. I can't imagine ACC members turning down the pairs I suggested. Both would be home runs - as would ND and Penn State. I don't think you can say that about ND + any of the three you suggested.

All that being said, I'll say once again. I don't think the ACC will do anything, nor do they need to.
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