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RE: Realignment proposal to end all further realignment
(01-27-2018 11:16 AM)ken d Wrote:  On the P5 forum, I floated an idea which was triggered by the suggestion that the PAC may be more open to change than previously suspected. Because that idea affects some teams not now in the P5, I thought I would float it here as well.

Essentially, the Big 12 - often thought to be in its death throes - would remain intact in my proposal. Instead of the Texhoma schools moving west to the PAC, as some have suggested, I propose that the 4 California schools plus Washington and Oregon move east to the B12. That would bring the B12 to 16 members, and quell talk of megaconferences of 18, 20 or even more.

The remaining 6 PAC members would rebuild by adding Boise State, San Diego State and Fresno State from the MWC plus independent BYU. These schools could never have hoped to be invited to the current PAC largely because of resistance from the California schools. Fresno isn't a critical add here, but it would add a second school in the behemoth that is the state of California to help recruiting. This new PAC, which I presume would still legally own the PACN, would sell that albatross to the B12 which could make it very profitable where the PAC never could.

A 7th bowl would be added to the New Year's Six, allowing for both the new PAC plus the AAC to get autobids. Now, we can redesignate the six autobid conferences as the NY6 instead of the P6, and that's how I will refer to them.

The B12 has more room to expand than the PAC.

The 4 California schools, Arizona St and Colorado would balloon the B12 to 16. Texas Tech and Texas could then join the western division.

B12 would take the Rose Bowl spot while the PAC becomes the host for the Fiesta Bowl in the NY6.

PAC could then add BYU, Boise St, SDSU, SJSU, UNLV, Colorado St. I would think SJSU would get in over Fresno St for market purposes. The PAC exception to Boise St joining would be no more without the California schools.
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RE: Realignment proposal to end all further realignment
(01-27-2018 03:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(01-27-2018 11:16 AM)ken d Wrote:  On the P5 forum, I floated an idea which was triggered by the suggestion that the PAC may be more open to change than previously suspected. Because that idea affects some teams not now in the P5, I thought I would float it here as well.

Essentially, the Big 12 - often thought to be in its death throes - would remain intact in my proposal. Instead of the Texhoma schools moving west to the PAC, as some have suggested, I propose that the 4 California schools plus Washington and Oregon move east to the B12. That would bring the B12 to 16 members, and quell talk of megaconferences of 18, 20 or even more.

The remaining 6 PAC members would rebuild by adding Boise State, San Diego State and Fresno State from the MWC plus independent BYU. These schools could never have hoped to be invited to the current PAC largely because of resistance from the California schools. Fresno isn't a critical add here, but it would add a second school in the behemoth that is the state of California to help recruiting. This new PAC, which I presume would still legally own the PACN, would sell that albatross to the B12 which could make it very profitable where the PAC never could.

A 7th bowl would be added to the New Year's Six, allowing for both the new PAC plus the AAC to get autobids. Now, we can redesignate the six autobid conferences as the NY6 instead of the P6, and that's how I will refer to them.

The B12 has more room to expand than the PAC.

The 4 California schools, Arizona St and Colorado would balloon the B12 to 16. Texas Tech and Texas could then join the western division.

B12 would take the Rose Bowl spot while the PAC becomes the host for the Fiesta Bowl in the NY6.

PAC could then add BYU, Boise St, SDSU, SJSU, UNLV, Colorado St. I would think SJSU would get in over Fresno St for market purposes. The PAC exception to Boise St joining would be no more without the California schools.

The California schools' admins, especially Stanford and Berkley, would just as soon associate themselves with Texas and the other red states as they would vote republican. They're not leaving the Pac.

The Pac giving up the Rose Bowl to the B12 to go play in the Fiesta? That is one of the dumber suggestions I've seen in a while, and that's saying a lot for this board.

Plus it would be a huge mess as to tier3 rights. Would the Pac schools bring their Pac12 networks with them? I doubt it. The Pac12 owns those networks. Would the 9 other B12 schools creat their own P12-esque networks when the Pac's have proven to be underwhelming? The LHN is still the elephant in the room.

The California schools aren't leaving. It's a ludicrous suggestion. The P12 would probably take 4 from the B12 if the opportunity came up, otherwise they'll be just fine staying where they are.
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RE: Realignment proposal to end all further realignment
(01-27-2018 05:46 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(01-27-2018 03:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(01-27-2018 11:16 AM)ken d Wrote:  On the P5 forum, I floated an idea which was triggered by the suggestion that the PAC may be more open to change than previously suspected. Because that idea affects some teams not now in the P5, I thought I would float it here as well.

Essentially, the Big 12 - often thought to be in its death throes - would remain intact in my proposal. Instead of the Texhoma schools moving west to the PAC, as some have suggested, I propose that the 4 California schools plus Washington and Oregon move east to the B12. That would bring the B12 to 16 members, and quell talk of megaconferences of 18, 20 or even more.

The remaining 6 PAC members would rebuild by adding Boise State, San Diego State and Fresno State from the MWC plus independent BYU. These schools could never have hoped to be invited to the current PAC largely because of resistance from the California schools. Fresno isn't a critical add here, but it would add a second school in the behemoth that is the state of California to help recruiting. This new PAC, which I presume would still legally own the PACN, would sell that albatross to the B12 which could make it very profitable where the PAC never could.

A 7th bowl would be added to the New Year's Six, allowing for both the new PAC plus the AAC to get autobids. Now, we can redesignate the six autobid conferences as the NY6 instead of the P6, and that's how I will refer to them.

The B12 has more room to expand than the PAC.

The 4 California schools, Arizona St and Colorado would balloon the B12 to 16. Texas Tech and Texas could then join the western division.

B12 would take the Rose Bowl spot while the PAC becomes the host for the Fiesta Bowl in the NY6.

PAC could then add BYU, Boise St, SDSU, SJSU, UNLV, Colorado St. I would think SJSU would get in over Fresno St for market purposes. The PAC exception to Boise St joining would be no more without the California schools.

The California schools' admins, especially Stanford and Berkley, would just as soon associate themselves with Texas and the other red states as they would vote republican. They're not leaving the Pac.

The Pac giving up the Rose Bowl to the B12 to go play in the Fiesta? That is one of the dumber suggestions I've seen in a while, and that's saying a lot for this board.

Plus it would be a huge mess as to tier3 rights. Would the Pac schools bring their Pac12 networks with them? I doubt it. The Pac12 owns those networks. Would the 9 other B12 schools creat their own P12-esque networks when the Pac's have proven to be underwhelming? The LHN is still the elephant in the room.

The California schools aren't leaving. It's a ludicrous suggestion. The P12 would probably take 4 from the B12 if the opportunity came up, otherwise they'll be just fine staying where they are.

I wouldn't call the bolded part a suggestion. What I would suggest is that it would be the Rose Bowl's call, not the PAC's if the six best teams from the PAC were to leave. Who do you think they would choose? USC et al or Washington State et al?
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Realignment proposal to end all further realignment
Colorado wanted out of that mess, don’t see them going back.

Any thing over 14 teams is too large and cumbersome with way too many mouths to feed. 16 and above will fail.


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RE: Realignment proposal to end all further realignment
Pac-12 has to help itself
who owns Pacnetwork the conf or larry Scott, he doesn't answer to anybody

sch & attendence, rework OOS, 8 conf games opens home dates, sch agreement with MWC
nobody brings people to games like BYU, play them
labour day challange somebody

expand with Hous & Haw, playing at Haw allows xtra games [20 FB & BB]
Hous opens up earliy time slots & the only way Pac gets in Tex

they can't make thier conf tourn work in LA, more money in LA
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Now that the Big 12 plays a CC, it’s unlikely to have pressure to expand or dissolve outright. I would still expand to solidify a larger footprint, but I don’t think OU and UT are eager to move.
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RE: Realignment proposal to end all further realignment
Ken, these rumblings you are hearing?

Internal conference? or fan board driven?

Definitely a different way to look at it...but I feel the PAC12 has the leverage over the Big12
01-28-2018 08:38 AM
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Something is floating alright and it stinks...
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RE: Realignment proposal to end all further realignment
Let me make one thing very clear. I strongly believe, and have consistently stated on this board, that of all the possible P5 realignment scenarios bandied about on this board (including those bandied by me), I believe that by far the most probable scenario is that there won't be any more realignment. Not even when the B12 and PAC media contracts and GoRs expire.

Whether or not everybody is where they should be, or where they "deserve" to be, I think that wherever that is is where they will stay for the forseeable future.

This thread, and any others I may have started, consider only the possibility that I am wrong about this. Prompted by other threads on this forum and the P5 discussion forum, I have followed links and leads to other sources (whose credibility I can't vouch for in the least) that for the first time hint to me that not all members of the PAC are fully satisfied with where they stand in the P5 and at the bank. I hadn't heard any of that before.

I doubt the dissatisfaction rises (yet) to a point where anyone would consider leaving. This thread starts from the proposition that some have, or soon will, reach that point. In that case - and only in that case - does anything in the OP make any sense.

Since I don't believe the PAC could attract anyone who could erase such dissatisfaction, the only relief I see for those members is to leave the conference, and the only conference I can see who both could and would accept them is the Big 12.

Thus, the OP.
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Washington and the California schools would never go to the Big-12, there are too many poor academic schools within the Big-12 for that to ever be a viable option for the people that run those universities. If and/or when things ever got so bad to the point where Cal schools were actively looking to leave, the only conference that is powerful and prestigious enough to entice UW and the Cal 4 to make the jump would be the Big Ten.

The only way the Big-12 would be able to start expanding with schools from the Pac-12 is if the B1G had already breached the conference and left behind anyone the Big-12 would want to add.
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