(01-28-2018 11:05 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  who was the big dude at the cincinnati game?

William O'Shea.

Backup center for Willis High School in Fairbanks, Alaska.

Averaging 1.3 ppg and 0.4 rebounds as a senior.

Only has one eye and is missing a foot.

Tubby is all in on the guy. Says, "THIS is the type of player we need!!"

(01-28-2018 01:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Tubby will be out at the end of this season.

I doubt it, but I don't think it would hurt anyone's feelings if he leaves. Unless they could negotiate a lesser buyout, $10 million is a lot of money for a school like Memphis. I doubt it will happen, but we'll see. Maybe a donor will step up...

We'll see how the team finishes. I think you're prediction will have a better chance of happening if they finish poorly. Fortunately for Tubby, we play USF and ECU twice. My guess is we'll finish 5-5. I think that's good enough for another year...

(01-28-2018 11:43 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 01:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Tubby will be out at the end of this season.

I doubt it, but I don't think it would hurt anyone's feelings if he leaves. Unless they could negotiate a lesser buyout, $10 million is a lot of money for a school like Memphis. I doubt it will happen, but we'll see. Maybe a donor will step up...

We'll see how the team finishes. I think you're prediction will have a better chance of happening if they finish poorly. Fortunately for Tubby, we play USF and ECU twice. My guess is we'll finish 5-5. I think that's good enough for another year...

The decision should not be made on the heels of what is done this year and what the record is this year. The program needs to be fixed now as in yesterday. Four straight years of no NCAA tournament and local recruits not signing with the program.

(01-28-2018 12:37 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 11:43 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 01:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Tubby will be out at the end of this season.

I doubt it, but I don't think it would hurt anyone's feelings if he leaves. Unless they could negotiate a lesser buyout, $10 million is a lot of money for a school like Memphis. I doubt it will happen, but we'll see. Maybe a donor will step up...

We'll see how the team finishes. I think you're prediction will have a better chance of happening if they finish poorly. Fortunately for Tubby, we play USF and ECU twice. My guess is we'll finish 5-5. I think that's good enough for another year...

The decision should not be made on the heels of what is done this year and what the record is this year. The program needs to be fixed now as in yesterday. Four straight years of no NCAA tournament and local recruits not signing with the program.

It’s the $$$$$. I’m sure the university would be ok letting him go if someone is willing to pay. That’s just a ton of money for our university.

Tubby back next season for sure. Get used to it.


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If this team manages to play close to .500 ball the rest of the way AND win a couple of games in the Conference Tournament, they could barely squeak into the NIT, thus assuring TS will likely get another year to demonstrate his lack of recruiting acumen.

While I want the best for the players, the current staff just doesn't have the kahunas to get it done on the recruiting trail.

(01-28-2018 02:17 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  If this team manages to play close to .500 ball the rest of the way AND win a couple of games in the Conference Tournament, they could barely squeak into the NIT, thus assuring TS will likely get another year to demonstrate his lack of recruiting acumen.

While I want the best for the players, the current staff just doesn't have the kahunas to get it done on the recruiting trail.

.500 ball and winning a couple in the tourney will not get us in the NIT

(01-28-2018 10:54 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  The problem is that whoever is our coach in 2019 needs this class. And, to get this class, that coach already needs to be in on these guys now. Think about Coach Pastner's tenure, but picture it without the class of Joe, Tarik, Chris, Will, and Antonio. Think about Coach Cal's tenure, but picture it without CDR, Antonio, Dozier, and Shawne. One special recruiting class can be the cornerstone for years of success. This 2019 class can be that cornerstone, and its all in our own backyard.

A new coach in 2019 would not get this class. If you want to look back to Pastner's tenure, please tell me who of that class he kept when Cal left? They either followed Cal or went elsewhere. It is ridiculous that we are even discussing Wiseman like he was EVER a Memphis target. He was, is and always has been Cal's recruit. This is not a Tubby phenomenon (see Skal when Pastner was still here). If KY, Duke etc want a kid they get them and that has been true since Cal left. Name the young, energetic coach that we can get that would change that trend with Wiseman. You can say Penny and it still wouldn't be true. He is going to KY.

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(01-28-2018 08:39 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 02:17 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  If this team manages to play close to .500 ball the rest of the way AND win a couple of games in the Conference Tournament, they could barely squeak into the NIT, thus assuring TS will likely get another year to demonstrate his lack of recruiting acumen.

While I want the best for the players, the current staff just doesn't have the kahunas to get it done on the recruiting trail.

.500 ball and winning a couple in the tourney will not get us in the NIT

No it won’t. The NIT wants to make money and if no one is in the stands they won’t come. Plus we don’t have the cache to bring out crowds on the road so.....no NIT

(01-28-2018 10:10 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 10:54 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  The problem is that whoever is our coach in 2019 needs this class. And, to get this class, that coach already needs to be in on these guys now. Think about Coach Pastner's tenure, but picture it without the class of Joe, Tarik, Chris, Will, and Antonio. Think about Coach Cal's tenure, but picture it without CDR, Antonio, Dozier, and Shawne. One special recruiting class can be the cornerstone for years of success. This 2019 class can be that cornerstone, and its all in our own backyard.

A new coach in 2019 would not get this class. If you want to look back to Pastner's tenure, please tell me who of that class he kept when Cal left? They either followed Cal or went elsewhere. It is ridiculous that we are even discussing Wiseman like he was EVER a Memphis target. He was, is and always has been Cal's recruit. This is not a Tubby phenomenon (see Skal when Pastner was still here). If KY, Duke etc want a kid they get them and that has been true since Cal left. Name the young, energetic coach that we can get that would change that trend with Wiseman. You can say Penny and it still wouldn't be true. He is going to KY.

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The number 1thing that Cal and Coach K is selling is that you will get better playing against the best in practice. No elite player will come without other elite players.

(01-28-2018 10:36 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 08:39 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 02:17 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  If this team manages to play close to .500 ball the rest of the way AND win a couple of games in the Conference Tournament, they could barely squeak into the NIT, thus assuring TS will likely get another year to demonstrate his lack of recruiting acumen.

While I want the best for the players, the current staff just doesn't have the kahunas to get it done on the recruiting trail.

.500 ball and winning a couple in the tourney will not get us in the NIT

No it won’t. The NIT wants to make money and if no one is in the stands they won’t come. Plus we don’t have the cache to bring out crowds on the road so.....no NIT

NIT is owned by the NCAA, the days of schools that can draw crowds getting in for that reason are long gone.

(01-28-2018 10:10 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 10:54 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  The problem is that whoever is our coach in 2019 needs this class. And, to get this class, that coach already needs to be in on these guys now. Think about Coach Pastner's tenure, but picture it without the class of Joe, Tarik, Chris, Will, and Antonio. Think about Coach Cal's tenure, but picture it without CDR, Antonio, Dozier, and Shawne. One special recruiting class can be the cornerstone for years of success. This 2019 class can be that cornerstone, and its all in our own backyard.

A new coach in 2019 would not get this class. If you want to look back to Pastner's tenure, please tell me who of that class he kept when Cal left? They either followed Cal or went elsewhere. It is ridiculous that we are even discussing Wiseman like he was EVER a Memphis target. He was, is and always has been Cal's recruit. This is not a Tubby phenomenon (see Skal when Pastner was still here). If KY, Duke etc want a kid they get them and that has been true since Cal left. Name the young, energetic coach that we can get that would change that trend with Wiseman. You can say Penny and it still wouldn't be true. He is going to KY.

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That may very well be true for Wiseman. The problem is the overall strength of the class in Memphis being so strong. I have (somewhat slowly) come around to the idea that we need to make a move sooner than later. A new coach for 2018-2019 would have a much better chance of tapping into that class than someone starting in 2019. The importance of the 2019 class combined with the thought that almost no one imagines Coach Smith will be here past his current contract, and I just don't see how the university can keep him for another year.

(01-28-2018 11:19 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 11:05 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  who was the big dude at the cincinnati game?

William O'Shea.

Backup center for Willis High School in Fairbanks, Alaska.

Averaging 1.3 ppg and 0.4 rebounds as a senior.

Only has one eye and is missing a foot.

Tubby is all in on the guy. Says, "THIS is the type of player we need!!"

(01-29-2018 11:56 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 10:10 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 10:54 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  The problem is that whoever is our coach in 2019 needs this class. And, to get this class, that coach already needs to be in on these guys now. Think about Coach Pastner's tenure, but picture it without the class of Joe, Tarik, Chris, Will, and Antonio. Think about Coach Cal's tenure, but picture it without CDR, Antonio, Dozier, and Shawne. One special recruiting class can be the cornerstone for years of success. This 2019 class can be that cornerstone, and its all in our own backyard.

A new coach in 2019 would not get this class. If you want to look back to Pastner's tenure, please tell me who of that class he kept when Cal left? They either followed Cal or went elsewhere. It is ridiculous that we are even discussing Wiseman like he was EVER a Memphis target. He was, is and always has been Cal's recruit. This is not a Tubby phenomenon (see Skal when Pastner was still here). If KY, Duke etc want a kid they get them and that has been true since Cal left. Name the young, energetic coach that we can get that would change that trend with Wiseman. You can say Penny and it still wouldn't be true. He is going to KY.

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That may very well be true for Wiseman. The problem is the overall strength of the class in Memphis being so strong. I have (somewhat slowly) come around to the idea that we need to make a move sooner than later. A new coach for 2018-2019 would have a much better chance of tapping into that class than someone starting in 2019. The importance of the 2019 class combined with the thought that almost no one imagines Coach Smith will be here past his current contract, and I just don't see how the university can keep him for another year.

If you work on the assumption that Wiseman and Jeffries are both gone to KY and Lawson would look like a Kansas lean right now, who does that leave? Lomax is gone. It is now down to Harris. If we get him we won't be looking for another point guard. So who else local?

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That's what I have been saying!! The Administration will give him ONE more year, if there's not a MAJOR turnaround in Wins and attendance, he's gone after the season.

(01-28-2018 02:14 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Tubby back next season for sure. Get used to it.


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(01-29-2018 12:19 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 11:56 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 10:10 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 10:54 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  The problem is that whoever is our coach in 2019 needs this class. And, to get this class, that coach already needs to be in on these guys now. Think about Coach Pastner's tenure, but picture it without the class of Joe, Tarik, Chris, Will, and Antonio. Think about Coach Cal's tenure, but picture it without CDR, Antonio, Dozier, and Shawne. One special recruiting class can be the cornerstone for years of success. This 2019 class can be that cornerstone, and its all in our own backyard.

A new coach in 2019 would not get this class. If you want to look back to Pastner's tenure, please tell me who of that class he kept when Cal left? They either followed Cal or went elsewhere. It is ridiculous that we are even discussing Wiseman like he was EVER a Memphis target. He was, is and always has been Cal's recruit. This is not a Tubby phenomenon (see Skal when Pastner was still here). If KY, Duke etc want a kid they get them and that has been true since Cal left. Name the young, energetic coach that we can get that would change that trend with Wiseman. You can say Penny and it still wouldn't be true. He is going to KY.

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That may very well be true for Wiseman. The problem is the overall strength of the class in Memphis being so strong. I have (somewhat slowly) come around to the idea that we need to make a move sooner than later. A new coach for 2018-2019 would have a much better chance of tapping into that class than someone starting in 2019. The importance of the 2019 class combined with the thought that almost no one imagines Coach Smith will be here past his current contract, and I just don't see how the university can keep him for another year.

If you work on the assumption that Wiseman and Jeffries are both gone to KY and Lawson would look like a Kansas lean right now, who does that leave? Lomax is gone. It is now down to Harris. If we get him we won't be looking for another point guard. So who else local?

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Are we to understand that your point is that Memphis should not expect to get top 100 talent out of the city of Memphis? Wiseman and Jeffries may be UK leans, Lawson may be KU bound, but part of that is on our coaching staff for not getting the job done locally. At this particular moment what you say may be true, but it doesn't mean that its always been that way or that it always has to be that way.

(01-29-2018 03:31 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 12:19 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 11:56 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 10:10 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 10:54 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  The problem is that whoever is our coach in 2019 needs this class. And, to get this class, that coach already needs to be in on these guys now. Think about Coach Pastner's tenure, but picture it without the class of Joe, Tarik, Chris, Will, and Antonio. Think about Coach Cal's tenure, but picture it without CDR, Antonio, Dozier, and Shawne. One special recruiting class can be the cornerstone for years of success. This 2019 class can be that cornerstone, and its all in our own backyard.

A new coach in 2019 would not get this class. If you want to look back to Pastner's tenure, please tell me who of that class he kept when Cal left? They either followed Cal or went elsewhere. It is ridiculous that we are even discussing Wiseman like he was EVER a Memphis target. He was, is and always has been Cal's recruit. This is not a Tubby phenomenon (see Skal when Pastner was still here). If KY, Duke etc want a kid they get them and that has been true since Cal left. Name the young, energetic coach that we can get that would change that trend with Wiseman. You can say Penny and it still wouldn't be true. He is going to KY.

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That may very well be true for Wiseman. The problem is the overall strength of the class in Memphis being so strong. I have (somewhat slowly) come around to the idea that we need to make a move sooner than later. A new coach for 2018-2019 would have a much better chance of tapping into that class than someone starting in 2019. The importance of the 2019 class combined with the thought that almost no one imagines Coach Smith will be here past his current contract, and I just don't see how the university can keep him for another year.

If you work on the assumption that Wiseman and Jeffries are both gone to KY and Lawson would look like a Kansas lean right now, who does that leave? Lomax is gone. It is now down to Harris. If we get him we won't be looking for another point guard. So who else local?

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Are we to understand that your point is that Memphis should not expect to get top 100 talent out of the city of Memphis? Wiseman and Jeffries may be UK leans, Lawson may be KU bound, but part of that is on our coaching staff for not getting the job done locally. At this particular moment what you say may be true, but it doesn't mean that its always been that way or that it always has to be that way.

It has been that way since Cal left and no hire that we could have actually made would change that.

My real point is why is there even a thread on here about Wiseman with everybody bitching about the fact we are letting him slip away? He is a kid from Nashville that we have never really had a chance with since Cal first showed interest. People are just trying to start sh*t. That is the reality of this thread. Anyone who says otherwise is full of it.

Tell me the hire, either back when Tubby was hired or now, that gets Wiseman here.

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(01-29-2018 04:59 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 03:31 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 12:19 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 11:56 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 10:10 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  A new coach in 2019 would not get this class. If you want to look back to Pastner's tenure, please tell me who of that class he kept when Cal left? They either followed Cal or went elsewhere. It is ridiculous that we are even discussing Wiseman like he was EVER a Memphis target. He was, is and always has been Cal's recruit. This is not a Tubby phenomenon (see Skal when Pastner was still here). If KY, Duke etc want a kid they get them and that has been true since Cal left. Name the young, energetic coach that we can get that would change that trend with Wiseman. You can say Penny and it still wouldn't be true. He is going to KY.

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That may very well be true for Wiseman. The problem is the overall strength of the class in Memphis being so strong. I have (somewhat slowly) come around to the idea that we need to make a move sooner than later. A new coach for 2018-2019 would have a much better chance of tapping into that class than someone starting in 2019. The importance of the 2019 class combined with the thought that almost no one imagines Coach Smith will be here past his current contract, and I just don't see how the university can keep him for another year.

If you work on the assumption that Wiseman and Jeffries are both gone to KY and Lawson would look like a Kansas lean right now, who does that leave? Lomax is gone. It is now down to Harris. If we get him we won't be looking for another point guard. So who else local?

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Are we to understand that your point is that Memphis should not expect to get top 100 talent out of the city of Memphis? Wiseman and Jeffries may be UK leans, Lawson may be KU bound, but part of that is on our coaching staff for not getting the job done locally. At this particular moment what you say may be true, but it doesn't mean that its always been that way or that it always has to be that way.

It has been that way since Cal left and no hire that we could have actually made would change that.

My real point is why is there even a thread on here about Wiseman with everybody bitching about the fact we are letting him slip away? He is a kid from Nashville that we have never really had a chance with since Cal first showed interest. People are just trying to start sh*t. That is the reality of this thread. Anyone who says otherwise is full of it.

Tell me the hire, either back when Tubby was hired or now, that gets Wiseman here.

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Hell, maybe Josh Pastner. You say that its been that way (not signing top talent out of Memphis) "since Cal left." Josh got Joe, Tarik, Chris, Adonis, Markel, Austin, Dedric, and KJ out of Memphis. To say we haven't been in on local talent in 10 years is just not true.

And, Wiseman is from Nashville or whatever - but he's playing bball in Memphis at a school coached by a former Tiger superstar. Its not out of the question for him to consider Memphis under different circumstances.