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RE: Michigan State basically Penn State
(01-23-2018 08:12 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 07:05 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  One HUGE difference - every Michigan State alum I know is disgusted by this and wants to see heads roll, with everyone associated removed from the University.

It doesn’t look like the president is willing to step down in this one.

He might not have a choice.

With a scandal like this and the attention it's getting the University isn't going to just stand by, someone's gonna get clipped because the powers that be aren't going to take the fall.

Even if it's just for appearance, people's heads are gonna roll....
01-24-2018 09:07 AM
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(01-24-2018 12:02 AM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 07:05 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  One HUGE difference - every Michigan State alum I know is disgusted by this and wants to see heads roll, with everyone associated removed from the University.

I'm not defending PSU here, nor am I bashing MSU with my argument below.

But nobody at PSU in November 2011 was mad about Spanier getting fired. Spanier was just some administrative dude who some PSU folk couldn't even pick out of a police lineup. They were only mad about JoePa.

If Izzo/Dantonio was involved ---- an actual recognizable face who Spartans are emotionally invested in ---- it's hardly unfathomable to imagine many MSU folk lining up in their defense.

This ^

JoePa was a legend at State and people put on their blinders because of how much joy he had given them over the years. If Izzo was involved in this mess then there would be plenty of MSU apologists for his actions (or inaction's).
01-24-2018 10:03 AM
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(01-24-2018 02:28 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  LoAs always lead to termination. Either because you are at some level responsible or because they just got you out of the way and it would be awkward to bring you back. MSU is not there ... yet. Also anyone you give an LoA to will be presumed guilty by the public, their reputations destroyed. That is non-repairable.

The culture around big money, be it media, movies, business, or sports is to pay money to hush up scandal, keep it out of written reports. In this respect colleges like MSU and PSU (and Alabama and every other school for that matter in FBS) are no different than NBC, FOX, Disney, or Google or Apple (not that I am aware of anything in those companies - but it's big money culture) for that matter.

I hate witch hunts, even though they seem to be necessary for the public appetite for immediate blood. I'd rather let the investigation into who knew what when get a bit further and more solid before using the Axe. In two months the ones who should get the Axe will be much clearer, and I really don't see a need to rush that and take out one or two who really should not get tarred.

That is the problem with an LoA. If you are giving somebody one, you had better be darn sure they need to go and you will win a defamation lawsuit.

They don't, but I agree with the optics. In the public sphere especially.

There's kind of a script or process to follow in higher ed, and it's not necessarily the BoT putting someone on leave, but urging someone to self-select. Optically, it looks like the ethical and selfless thing to do. It also allows the person on leave to focus on whatever is needed elsewhere that would otherwise challenge one's daily functions.

Can the MSU president work with this over them? Well, they don't call them "teams" or "offices" for nothing, but...I'd hate to be on the support team right now. It certainly isn't in an effective setting right now, for sure.
01-24-2018 10:32 AM
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(01-23-2018 07:05 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  One HUGE difference - every Michigan State alum I know is disgusted by this and wants to see heads roll, with everyone associated removed from the University.

That's pretty weak.
01-24-2018 12:45 PM
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This is the kind of message that Michigan State's board needs to send, and the kind of action they need to take.

Quote:In an open letter to Team USA, Scott Blackmun, the CEO of the United States Olympic Committee, called on all USA Gymnastics directors to resign in the wake of the Larry Nassar abuse scandal, in order to start to change the culture of the sport.

Three USAG board members have recently resigned, but Blackmun called on a "full turnover of leadership from the past."

"The purpose of this message is to tell all of Nassar's victims and survivors, directly, how incredibly sorry we are," Blackmun wrote. "We have said it in other contexts, but we have not been direct enough with you. We are sorry for the pain caused by this terrible man, and sorry that you weren't afforded a safe opportunity to pursue your sports dreams. The Olympic family is among those that have failed you."
http://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/...estigation
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According to an npr report, Nassar not only “treated” gymnasts but female volleyball, soccer, and softball at MSU.
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(01-24-2018 01:49 PM)Wedge Wrote:  This is the kind of message that Michigan State's board needs to send, and the kind of action they need to take.

Quote:In an open letter to Team USA, Scott Blackmun, the CEO of the United States Olympic Committee, called on all USA Gymnastics directors to resign in the wake of the Larry Nassar abuse scandal, in order to start to change the culture of the sport.

Three USAG board members have recently resigned, but Blackmun called on a "full turnover of leadership from the past."

"The purpose of this message is to tell all of Nassar's victims and survivors, directly, how incredibly sorry we are," Blackmun wrote. "We have said it in other contexts, but we have not been direct enough with you. We are sorry for the pain caused by this terrible man, and sorry that you weren't afforded a safe opportunity to pursue your sports dreams. The Olympic family is among those that have failed you."
http://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/...estigation

Seems too much to do when you only give the matter ten minutes...
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(01-24-2018 08:49 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The NCAA investigators are in the State of Michigan and looking for heads to place on a pike......

Better watch out, CMU Track & Field.

I thought that would be EMU's underwater basket weaving team.
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(01-24-2018 12:45 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 07:05 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  One HUGE difference - every Michigan State alum I know is disgusted by this and wants to see heads roll, with everyone associated removed from the University.

That's pretty weak.

How is that weak?
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(01-24-2018 05:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(01-24-2018 12:45 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 07:05 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  One HUGE difference - every Michigan State alum I know is disgusted by this and wants to see heads roll, with everyone associated removed from the University.

That's pretty weak.

How is that weak?

“They aren’t the same because somebody I know feels differently than how I perceived how most people felt at the other school.”

That’s some really weak **** but thanks for sharing.
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