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RE: Kent State vs. Ball State
(01-27-2018 11:55 AM)burden Wrote:  
(01-27-2018 11:29 AM)fallsdog Wrote:  Fair enough. I guess I do value a 23 and 9 team that plays a NIT game or two. Heck, I would thrilled to see a 20 and 10 team in the CIT if I get to watch on CBSSports network. I believe that Exposure matters and winning is (sorta) everything.

Your greedy asking for 23-9. I’m happy with 22-8.

I count wins over Wooster, Fairmont State, Akron and teams of that nature.
01-27-2018 02:01 PM
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(01-27-2018 09:06 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Is there anything wrong with a team that needs time to acclimate itself to the coach and vice-versa? We saw last year that we played our best basketball when it mattered most. Would anyone really be disappointed if in the next few weeks we peaked and then won again in Cleveland? With the nature of our conference, the reality is none of these games matter. Now, if you are going to take pride in the Not Invited Tourney or the other schwas tournaments, that statement isn't true.

I was expecting that this team wouldn't "need time to acclimate itself to the coach and vice-versa" - 7 of the top 8 players with the most minutes on this team were here last year.

And here's the problem with "none of these games matter" -

If a player goes into a game thinking "none of these games matter", he's not going to put in his top effort.

As a fan if I'm thinking "none of these games matter" - there's no reason for me to head to the arena and see the game. There's no reason to tune in. If we win, you can't get excited because "none of these games matter". I might as well watch Coastal Carolina playing North Dakota State on ESPN, if it doesn't matter who wins. I watch because the games matter to me, and a win makes me happy and a loss makes me go out drinking.

And here's the bigger thing - these games matter because they're showing how well we are relative to everyone else. Wins over Valparasio, Loyola, and Albany show everyone where we are relative to all the other teams out there. If we beat Albany and I see Albany beats teams X and Y, it gives a little indication where we are relative to teams X and Y.

These games also matter because they do help with tournament seeding. Since anyone might win any game in the MAC tournament, our chances are helped by starting off in the top 4 seeds. And if we do get through the MAC, I'd rather play a 6th seed rather than a 2nd seed in the first round.

I would be happier with a 25-6 record and a loss in the first MAC tournament game than a 15-16 record and losing the first game in the NCAA tournament.

And with all the evidence that the MAC can only be a one-seed team in the NCAA tournament, it makes Dambrot's move to Duquense a no-brainer. A 3rd place finish in the Atlantic-10 could get a NCAA bid
01-27-2018 03:44 PM
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RE: Kent State vs. Ball State
(01-27-2018 01:25 PM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  With the MAC, the #1 seed doesn't help out much. However, winning 4 games in 4 days is not an easy task. Althought we did this, it is not a road easily traveled and will frequently punch a ticket to a season-ender.
I like to see that we have a working offense. Rob's early teams were very stale, as many of us know. If we can work out some kinks, this offense could take us far.

This is my main point. We are getting better as the season goes along. An egg here or there are we continue to get better, learn each others strengths, find our best lineups, etc etc. is no big deal to me since an at large bid isn't realistic.
01-27-2018 04:50 PM
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(01-27-2018 03:44 PM)Slinkin Street Flash Wrote:  
(01-27-2018 09:06 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Is there anything wrong with a team that needs time to acclimate itself to the coach and vice-versa? We saw last year that we played our best basketball when it mattered most. Would anyone really be disappointed if in the next few weeks we peaked and then won again in Cleveland? With the nature of our conference, the reality is none of these games matter. Now, if you are going to take pride in the Not Invited Tourney or the other schwas tournaments, that statement isn't true.

I was expecting that this team wouldn't "need time to acclimate itself to the coach and vice-versa" - 7 of the top 8 players with the most minutes on this team were here last year.

And here's the problem with "none of these games matter" -

If a player goes into a game thinking "none of these games matter", he's not going to put in his top effort. They don't have that thought process.

As a fan if I'm thinking "none of these games matter" - there's no reason for me to head to the arena and see the game. There's no reason to tune in. If we win, you can't get excited because "none of these games matter". I might as well watch Coastal Carolina playing North Dakota State on ESPN, if it doesn't matter who wins. I watch because the games matter to me, and a win makes me happy and a loss makes me go out drinking. The games matter to you so you go, that doesn't mean in the grand scheme of things they are important. I don't believe they matter but would go (if I were close) because I am a fan.

And here's the bigger thing - these games matter because they're showing how well we are relative to everyone else. Wins over Valparasio, Loyola, and Albany show everyone where we are relative to all the other teams out there. If we beat Albany and I see Albany beats teams X and Y, it gives a little indication where we are relative to teams X and Y. The transitive property of sports is always cute. If we beat Albany and they go beat Kansas, that means nothing to us.

These games also matter because they do help with tournament seeding. Since anyone might win any game in the MAC tournament, our chances are helped by starting off in the top 4 seeds. And if we do get through the MAC, I'd rather play a 6th seed rather than a 2nd seed in the first round. You are 100% correct that these games matter for MAC-T seeding.

I would be happier with a 25-6 record and a loss in the first MAC tournament game than a 15-16 record and losing the first game in the NCAA tournament. Not me. I would be pissed if we went 25-6 and lost in the first game in the conference tournament. Whereas, the 15-16 team likely overachieved winning the conference tournament and got to play on the national stage.

And with all the evidence that the MAC can only be a one-seed team in the NCAA tournament, it makes Dambrot's move to Duquense a no-brainer. A 3rd place finish in the Atlantic-10 could get a NCAA bid. His move to Duquesne was a no-brainer. He got more money and went to a better conference.
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