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Ollie really needs to go. The fact that he won a NC and is a former player probably makes it harder, but at this point that program has completely fallen off the map in just a few years.
 
01-20-2018 01:41 PM
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I don't know Rath, I'm really disappointed in Eliel and Keith Williams' offensive output this season
 
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(01-20-2018 08:29 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  But...... mick is blowing it and will never get the most out of this team of he doesn't play broome 35 minutes per game. Things are no different than ever.. don't let the numbers fool you. We suck.

Sarcasm from B'catmark, xcellent and no Kenpom.04-bow04-bow04-bow
 
01-20-2018 02:53 PM
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Uh oh, I should have kept reading, my bad.03-shhhh
 
01-20-2018 02:55 PM
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(01-20-2018 09:35 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(01-20-2018 09:27 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  Don't the computer rankings feel a little too high?

No

You're right . UC definitely #6 team country.

Are we in agreement ECU isn't #312 in the country though?
 
01-20-2018 05:20 PM
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(01-20-2018 10:24 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(01-20-2018 09:58 AM)jarr Wrote:  Can we hang a KenPom banner when the season is over?! Top 10 KenPom, 2028!

Nobody is suggesting as such. However, when discussing how good a team is right now the predictive metrics like kenpom, sagarin, BPI all offer good starting points.

You sometimes get 1 outlier in the final four, but most of the time your looking at teams in or around the top ten in the predictive metrics.

2017:
Gonzage - 1 kenpom
UNC - 3 kenpom
Oregon - 10 kenpom
South Carolina - the outlier, but 3 in kenpom adjusted defense

2016:
Villanova - 1 kenpom
UNC - 2 kenpom
Oklahoma - 10 kenpom
Syracuse - the weird outlier in a busted bracket

2015:
Kentucky 1 kenpom
Wisconsin - 2 kenpom
Duke - 3 kenpom
Michigan State - 15 kenpom (however top 30 in both adj o and adj d, which translates well in march)

2014: This is the oddball year that really doesn't fit with the trend of the last decade+ as far as seeding, but even with this the surprise teams had advanced metrics that suggested they were better than their actual seed.
Florida - 3 kenpom
Wisconsin - 5 kenpom
Kentucky - 13 kenpom (as a supremely talented 8 seed)
UConn - 15 kenpom... the most inexplicable champion of my lifetime and jumped a good amount during their run (though again their advanced numbers even before the tournament suggested they were better than their seed).

Here's the point... being highly ranked doesn't guarantee tournament success...but these predictive metrics are great for telling you what teams really have a shot and every predictive metric suggests the Bearcats have a shot. Nobody is suggesting hanging a banner because of that, people are saying these things are relevant to the discussion of what UC can do.

BTW this is the first Cronin team to look like a legitimate tournament threat when you look at the advanced metrics. This team is quantifiably different from his previous UC teams. That doesn't mean they WILL make a tournament run, but using past teams as a reason they won't kind of discredits what this team is accomplishing right now and how good they are.

So, if I understand you correctly, my garage door opener is more reliable and dependable than your revered KenPom #s?

But, of course it's smarter, because it has batteries.

Bonus points to whom can tell me that last line is from.
 
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Who needs sunlight?



 
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(01-20-2018 09:55 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  Mick needs to prove himself in March. That hasn't changed. No Kenpom numbers November through February are going to change that.

If all you care about is March, then what does it matter what happens in the regular season? If they win out but get bounced in the second round, the regular season success will be of no value. And if they go .500 the rest of the way but make the Elite 8, then so what if they blew the conference title. At this point, they are going to make the tournament, so why care at all about the regular season the rest of the way?
 
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(01-21-2018 03:17 PM)levydl Wrote:  
(01-20-2018 09:55 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  Mick needs to prove himself in March. That hasn't changed. No Kenpom numbers November through February are going to change that.

If all you care about is March, then what does it matter what happens in the regular season? If they win out but get bounced in the second round, the regular season success will be of no value. And if they go .500 the rest of the way but make the Elite 8, then so what if they blew the conference title. At this point, they are going to make the tournament, so why care at all about the regular season the rest of the way?

Reg season CH?

This isn't just a UC fan's perspective. The vast majority of college bball fans, including the media, put more value in March success over anything else. Right or wrong a program is measured on success in March. With that said, doesn't mean one cannot enjoy the ride. This weekend was my 3rd or 4th game. Enjoyed attending so far.
 
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(01-21-2018 03:17 PM)levydl Wrote:  
(01-20-2018 09:55 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  Mick needs to prove himself in March. That hasn't changed. No Kenpom numbers November through February are going to change that.

If all you care about is March, then what does it matter what happens in the regular season? If they win out but get bounced in the second round, the regular season success will be of no value. And if they go .500 the rest of the way but make the Elite 8, then so what if they blew the conference title. At this point, they are going to make the tournament, so why care at all about the regular season the rest of the way?

A great regular season run is a lot of fun, but no one will remember this team if they get bounced in the 2nd round of the tournament. I like our chances of going deep in the tournament, but I am not getting my hopes up because a lifetime of being a Cincinnati sports fan has burned me way too many times.
 
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