(01-19-2018 09:23 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:21 AM)pesik Wrote:  today: big east

higher potential: AAC

the big east has peaked.. they are squeezing every ounce of their value they have and reaching their potential. but there is no realistic scenario i see them doing better than they have the last 2 years in the future....even there tv deal, they got lucky we were negotiation why the fs1 decided to start. on any other circumstance they don't touch that amount. i don't see any way they increase in 7 years

the AAC on the other hand isnt even kinda remotely touching its potential and still putting together a decent league... 2 of our top 3 brands currently arent good and havent been for 3 years...half our teams schedules like they are aiming for the D2 tournament. we have 2 to 4 teams in the bottom 250 rpi every year...teams doing marginal recruiting in elite recruiting grounds (the florida schools).. and houston is at the brink off reviving its basketball program, like it did with its football 7 years ago..

the big east is also centralized in a small area with small private schools...the aac is spread across national, in huge school, in huge cities

just hiring 4 coaches could drastically alter the aac for the better ..uconn/memphis..and usf/ecu ..and scheduling mandate could handle the rest

Do not agree with the highlighted statement. The BE is getting much more out of Seton Hall and others than they planned to. SH is ranked in the top 20 for crying out loud.

Georgetown is down, but they will return to the top 30/25 soon enough. The bottom of the BE is just much, much better than the bottom of the AAC.

You may not have peaked but the NBE is a lot closer to its ceiling than the AAC is to ours.

(01-18-2018 11:19 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote:  Our league, American, has some real good coaches.

If I were a player, I would seriously thinking playing in American Conference with so many good players and coaches.

Plus every game is on ESPN. Who wouldn't want to come and play on TV in front of all family members.

Plus we have the best academics than a lot of conferences.

I'd go: American Conference

especially if your Tulsa you get games on cbssn and espn 3!!!

(01-19-2018 09:23 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:21 AM)pesik Wrote:  today: big east

higher potential: AAC

the big east has peaked.. they are squeezing every ounce of their value they have and reaching their potential. but there is no realistic scenario i see them doing better than they have the last 2 years in the future....even there tv deal, they got lucky we were negotiation why the fs1 decided to start. on any other circumstance they don't touch that amount. i don't see any way they increase in 7 years

the AAC on the other hand isnt even kinda remotely touching its potential and still putting together a decent league... 2 of our top 3 brands currently arent good and havent been for 3 years...half our teams schedules like they are aiming for the D2 tournament. we have 2 to 4 teams in the bottom 250 rpi every year...teams doing marginal recruiting in elite recruiting grounds (the florida schools).. and houston is at the brink off reviving its basketball program, like it did with its football 7 years ago..

the big east is also centralized in a small area with small private schools...the aac is spread across national, in huge school, in huge cities

just hiring 4 coaches could drastically alter the aac for the better ..uconn/memphis..and usf/ecu ..and scheduling mandate could handle the rest

Do not agree with the highlighted statement. The BE is getting much more out of Seton Hall and others than they planned to. SH is ranked in the top 20 for crying out loud.

Georgetown is down, but they will return to the top 30/25 soon enough. The bottom of the BE is just much, much better than the bottom of the AAC.

down Georgetown went 11-1 in OOC.. there isn't much better than that ... a better Georgetown this season would have meant they take losses from other big east teams .. thus evening it self out

they have peaked.. teams can move around but the overall value of the big east wouldn't increase
every big east team basically won all their ooc including their worst team..put Marquette, butler and gtown on top...that would mean creighton, vill and xavier come down...their differentiating factor is conference games ..

i just checked there isn't a bad loss in the entire conference, not one

i don't see any way they could get any better and a million ways they could be worse
the aac as is, is considered a very good league and all but cincy and wsu have bad losses...there is a lot of room for us to grow

(01-19-2018 09:48 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 09:23 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:21 AM)pesik Wrote:  today: big east

higher potential: AAC

the big east has peaked.. they are squeezing every ounce of their value they have and reaching their potential. but there is no realistic scenario i see them doing better than they have the last 2 years in the future....even there tv deal, they got lucky we were negotiation why the fs1 decided to start. on any other circumstance they don't touch that amount. i don't see any way they increase in 7 years

the AAC on the other hand isnt even kinda remotely touching its potential and still putting together a decent league... 2 of our top 3 brands currently arent good and havent been for 3 years...half our teams schedules like they are aiming for the D2 tournament. we have 2 to 4 teams in the bottom 250 rpi every year...teams doing marginal recruiting in elite recruiting grounds (the florida schools).. and houston is at the brink off reviving its basketball program, like it did with its football 7 years ago..

the big east is also centralized in a small area with small private schools...the aac is spread across national, in huge school, in huge cities

just hiring 4 coaches could drastically alter the aac for the better ..uconn/memphis..and usf/ecu ..and scheduling mandate could handle the rest

Do not agree with the highlighted statement. The BE is getting much more out of Seton Hall and others than they planned to. SH is ranked in the top 20 for crying out loud.

Georgetown is down, but they will return to the top 30/25 soon enough. The bottom of the BE is just much, much better than the bottom of the AAC.

down Georgetown went 11-1 in OOC.. there isn't much better than that ... a better Georgetown this season would have meant they take losses from other big east teams .. thus evening it self out

they have peaked.. teams can move around but the overall value of the big east wouldn't increase
every big east team basically won all their ooc including their worst team..put Marquette, butler and gtown on top...that would mean creighton, vill and xavier come down...their differentiating factor is conference games ..

i just checked there isn't a bad loss in the entire conference, not one

i don't see any way they could get any better and a million ways they could be worse
the aac as is, is considered a very good league and all but cincy and wsu have bad losses...there is a lot of room for us to grow

The AAC will be a good hoops league with the current membership. Need to keep teams out of the plus 200 rpi though. Tulane is already climbing with a new coach hire. Time for ECU to make a good hire.

Just saw this tweet
https://twitter.com/billpotter_/status/9...3340653568

"Tulane up to 100 in today's RPI.

Which means The American has 9 teams in the Top 100 of the RPI - Cincinnati, Wichita State, Temple, SMU, Houston, UCF, Memphis, UConn, Tulane.

That's more than the Big East, Big Ten and Big 12."

(01-19-2018 09:48 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 09:23 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:21 AM)pesik Wrote:  today: big east

higher potential: AAC

the big east has peaked.. they are squeezing every ounce of their value they have and reaching their potential. but there is no realistic scenario i see them doing better than they have the last 2 years in the future....even there tv deal, they got lucky we were negotiation why the fs1 decided to start. on any other circumstance they don't touch that amount. i don't see any way they increase in 7 years

the AAC on the other hand isnt even kinda remotely touching its potential and still putting together a decent league... 2 of our top 3 brands currently arent good and havent been for 3 years...half our teams schedules like they are aiming for the D2 tournament. we have 2 to 4 teams in the bottom 250 rpi every year...teams doing marginal recruiting in elite recruiting grounds (the florida schools).. and houston is at the brink off reviving its basketball program, like it did with its football 7 years ago..

the big east is also centralized in a small area with small private schools...the aac is spread across national, in huge school, in huge cities

just hiring 4 coaches could drastically alter the aac for the better ..uconn/memphis..and usf/ecu ..and scheduling mandate could handle the rest

Do not agree with the highlighted statement. The BE is getting much more out of Seton Hall and others than they planned to. SH is ranked in the top 20 for crying out loud.

Georgetown is down, but they will return to the top 30/25 soon enough. The bottom of the BE is just much, much better than the bottom of the AAC.

down Georgetown went 11-1 in OOC.. there isn't much better than that ... a better Georgetown this season would have meant they take losses from other big east teams .. thus evening it self out

they have peaked.. teams can move around but the overall value of the big east wouldn't increase
every big east team basically won all their ooc including their worst team..put Marquette, butler and gtown on top...that would mean creighton, vill and xavier come down...their differentiating factor is conference games ..

i just checked there isn't a bad loss in the entire conference, not one

i don't see any way they could get any better and a million ways they could be worse
the aac as is, is considered a very good league and all but cincy and wsu have bad losses...there is a lot of room for us to grow

Georgetown played the worst OOC schedule in all of DI. What are the bad losses that WSU and UC have?

(01-19-2018 10:19 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 09:48 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 09:23 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:21 AM)pesik Wrote:  today: big east

higher potential: AAC

the big east has peaked.. they are squeezing every ounce of their value they have and reaching their potential. but there is no realistic scenario i see them doing better than they have the last 2 years in the future....even there tv deal, they got lucky we were negotiation why the fs1 decided to start. on any other circumstance they don't touch that amount. i don't see any way they increase in 7 years

the AAC on the other hand isnt even kinda remotely touching its potential and still putting together a decent league... 2 of our top 3 brands currently arent good and havent been for 3 years...half our teams schedules like they are aiming for the D2 tournament. we have 2 to 4 teams in the bottom 250 rpi every year...teams doing marginal recruiting in elite recruiting grounds (the florida schools).. and houston is at the brink off reviving its basketball program, like it did with its football 7 years ago..

the big east is also centralized in a small area with small private schools...the aac is spread across national, in huge school, in huge cities

just hiring 4 coaches could drastically alter the aac for the better ..uconn/memphis..and usf/ecu ..and scheduling mandate could handle the rest

Do not agree with the highlighted statement. The BE is getting much more out of Seton Hall and others than they planned to. SH is ranked in the top 20 for crying out loud.

Georgetown is down, but they will return to the top 30/25 soon enough. The bottom of the BE is just much, much better than the bottom of the AAC.

down Georgetown went 11-1 in OOC.. there isn't much better than that ... a better Georgetown this season would have meant they take losses from other big east teams .. thus evening it self out

they have peaked.. teams can move around but the overall value of the big east wouldn't increase
every big east team basically won all their ooc including their worst team..put Marquette, butler and gtown on top...that would mean creighton, vill and xavier come down...their differentiating factor is conference games ..

i just checked there isn't a bad loss in the entire conference, not one

i don't see any way they could get any better and a million ways they could be worse
the aac as is, is considered a very good league and all but cincy and wsu have bad losses...there is a lot of room for us to grow

Georgetown played the worst OOC schedule in all of DI. What are the bad losses that WSU and UC have?

"all but" everyone but you 2

(01-19-2018 09:16 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 08:44 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 08:39 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Until UConn, Memphis, and Temple get back to being annual NCAA tournament teams the American isn't going to challenge the Big East. The good is that the American this season is close to being on par or ahead of the Big Ten and PAC-12.

Both the Big Ten and PAC 12 are ranked ahead of the AAC at the Realtime RPI standings.

Boooo citing RPI for anything.

Kenpom also has them both ahead of the AAC, but really the only difference is the AAC has the ECU/USF anchors that the other two don't have.

So both have them ahead of the AAC. ECU is a long time historical drag. USF - I have no idea.

(01-19-2018 10:13 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Just saw this tweet
https://twitter.com/billpotter_/status/9...3340653568

"Tulane up to 100 in today's RPI.

Which means The American has 9 teams in the Top 100 of the RPI - Cincinnati, Wichita State, Temple, SMU, Houston, UCF, Memphis, UConn, Tulane.

That's more than the Big East, Big Ten and Big 12."

To be fair the big 12 and big east only have 10 members.

(01-19-2018 10:27 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:13 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Just saw this tweet
https://twitter.com/billpotter_/status/9...3340653568

"Tulane up to 100 in today's RPI.

Which means The American has 9 teams in the Top 100 of the RPI - Cincinnati, Wichita State, Temple, SMU, Houston, UCF, Memphis, UConn, Tulane.

That's more than the Big East, Big Ten and Big 12."

To be fair the big 12 and big east only have 10 members.

Life isn't fair.

(01-19-2018 10:29 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:27 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:13 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Just saw this tweet
https://twitter.com/billpotter_/status/9...3340653568

"Tulane up to 100 in today's RPI.

Which means The American has 9 teams in the Top 100 of the RPI - Cincinnati, Wichita State, Temple, SMU, Houston, UCF, Memphis, UConn, Tulane.

That's more than the Big East, Big Ten and Big 12."

To be fair the big 12 and big east only have 10 members.

Life isn't fair.

Nope

(01-19-2018 09:05 AM)novachap Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 11:42 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I wonder how long it'll take before the new Big East lurkers burst on to the scene.

Didn't want to let you down.. this thread is hysterical.

10 hours. Not bad.

Nice to know Nova fans got the interest!

(01-19-2018 12:21 AM)pesik Wrote:  today: big east

higher potential: AAC

/close thread

(01-19-2018 10:37 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:29 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:27 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:13 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Just saw this tweet
https://twitter.com/billpotter_/status/9...3340653568

"Tulane up to 100 in today's RPI.

Which means The American has 9 teams in the Top 100 of the RPI - Cincinnati, Wichita State, Temple, SMU, Houston, UCF, Memphis, UConn, Tulane.

That's more than the Big East, Big Ten and Big 12."

To be fair the big 12 and big east only have 10 members.

Life isn't fair.

Nope

Yep. You to play all the teams dealt you.

(01-19-2018 11:09 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:37 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:29 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:27 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:13 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Just saw this tweet
https://twitter.com/billpotter_/status/9...3340653568

"Tulane up to 100 in today's RPI.

Which means The American has 9 teams in the Top 100 of the RPI - Cincinnati, Wichita State, Temple, SMU, Houston, UCF, Memphis, UConn, Tulane.

That's more than the Big East, Big Ten and Big 12."

To be fair the big 12 and big east only have 10 members.

Life isn't fair.

Nope

Yep. You to play all the teams dealt you.

English like this isn't fair also.

(01-19-2018 10:13 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Just saw this tweet
https://twitter.com/billpotter_/status/9...3340653568

"Tulane up to 100 in today's RPI.

Which means The American has 9 teams in the Top 100 of the RPI - Cincinnati, Wichita State, Temple, SMU, Houston, UCF, Memphis, UConn, Tulane.

That's more than the Big East, Big Ten and Big 12."

Interesting. Although, the BE has 7 teams in the top 45. The Big 12 has 6. The AAC? 2.

The AAC has 4 historically great programs, UConn, Memphis, Temple and UC. The rest are clearly a step below and 4 are traditional doormats. As great as Wichita State has been over the past few years, they had a grand total of 8 NCAA appearances before 2012. SMU has a total of 12 and only 2 in the past 25 years. These schools are not traditional powerhouses. They are simply having a nice run. To compare, UAB, which started basketball in 1978 has more appearances than both schools. Historically, Tulsa and Houston are more successful than Wichita State and SMU.

If all 8 of the top team could play at a sustained, high level, the conference could be one of the best. Chances of that happening are pretty remote. Everything has to land just right. You need all 8 teams to invest substantial resources in the program and up their recruiting. You have to overcome the perception that its a second tier conference. Plus, it doesn't help that there are articles after articles about UConn wanting out of AAC before their bball team is destroyed.

Look, I think it is entirely possible that the AAC could have a season or two when they are one of the best. The A-10 had a nice run a few years ago. But, the AAC is the latest of a long line of conference trying to move up to be considered a high major. None have made it. The Great Midwest and CUSA were close, but they imploded. The MWC, the A-10 and the MVC made runs, but fell back down.

As for the Big East falling back down to a mid-major level, it is entirely possible. But, you have to remember, these schools view basketball differently than most, if not all conferences. These schools use basketball to market their schools. They don't have FBS football. They are in large metro areas. They have history behind them. They have rabid fan bases. The schools in the BE that have struggled, are the schools that don't place as much emphasis on the success of their bball team to recruit their student body, e.g. DePaul and St. John's. Both are commuter schools which draw more locally for their students. There is a reason a school like Marquette spends more than almost any team in the country on basketball.

As a basketball hierarchy neophyte, my observation may not mean much. I see most sports predictors (e.g. CBS, ESPN) have the BE with 7 tournament teams and the AAC with 2-3. Oddsmakers at TeamRankings.com have these projected seedings along with probability of making the tournament.

1 Villanova 100%
3 Xavier 100%
5 Creighton 95%
7 Seton Hall 92%
12 Butler 63%
12 Providence 43%
12 Marquette 48%

2 Cincinnati 100%
3 WSU 99%
9 Houston 55%
10 SMU 81%

Hopefully the American teams will prove stronger in the tournament.

The Big Pee has been soaring. The addition of powerhouse Wichita State could have provided a nice shot in the arm for the American. Right now this conference is looking like the MVC on steroids. Some better, longer players, but everybody is mediocre (or worse). In the end, teams lose that shouldn't lose, and teams win that shouldn't win. The net result is no bids beyond the obvious choices. Good conferences gain bids that weren't obvious. This conference has a lot of work to do and it starts with Memphis and UConn.

P.S. ECU and USF should be threatened financially if they don't get their RPI above 150 by NEXT YEAR. I'm talking a million dollar penalty because I can assure you this: their RPI IS costing this conference millions this year in lost bids.


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(01-19-2018 09:32 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Big East and it isnt close.

More programs with more history and pedigree. Better fan support, more brand power, and on and on.

True, but we are better in football.

(01-18-2018 11:29 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  The Wichita State Conference of course.


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You guys play with yourselves?