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The financial viability of mega-conferences
It has been pointed out on here that it is in the best interest of the networks that schools in the same state be split among two or more conferences so that no one conference has a stranglehold on the state. We've also noted that control of content is critical.

My question is this: could the SEC and Big Ten make themselves more valuable and give them greater leverage when negotiating for media rights if they each expanded to 20-24 member athletic consortiums?

Pulling from the ACC:
SEC--VT, NC St, Clemson, Florida St, Miami, Louisville
Big Ten--UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, Pitt, ND

That's 20 apiece. You could go 24 each with the likes of BC, Syracuse, WVU, Kansas, Oklahoma, Okla St, Texas, Texas Tech, etc
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(01-18-2018 02:24 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It has been pointed out on here that it is in the best interest of the networks that schools in the same state be split among two or more conferences so that no one conference has a stranglehold on the state. We've also noted that control of content is critical.

My question is this: could the SEC and Big Ten make themselves more valuable and give them greater leverage when negotiating for media rights if they each expanded to 20-24 member athletic consortiums?

Pulling from the ACC:
SEC--VT, NC St, Clemson, Florida St, Miami, Louisville
Big Ten--UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, Pitt, ND

That's 20 apiece. You could go 24 each with the likes of BC, Syracuse, WVU, Kansas, Oklahoma, Okla St, Texas, Texas Tech, etc

If you went 24, perhaps Kansas, Miami, Boston College, and Syracuse to B1G with Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, and either TCU or West Virginia to SEC.
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(01-18-2018 02:31 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 02:24 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It has been pointed out on here that it is in the best interest of the networks that schools in the same state be split among two or more conferences so that no one conference has a stranglehold on the state. We've also noted that control of content is critical.

My question is this: could the SEC and Big Ten make themselves more valuable and give them greater leverage when negotiating for media rights if they each expanded to 20-24 member athletic consortiums?

Pulling from the ACC:
SEC--VT, NC St, Clemson, Florida St, Miami, Louisville
Big Ten--UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, Pitt, ND

That's 20 apiece. You could go 24 each with the likes of BC, Syracuse, WVU, Kansas, Oklahoma, Okla St, Texas, Texas Tech, etc

If you went 24, perhaps Kansas, Miami, Boston College, and Syracuse to B1G with Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, and either TCU or West Virginia to SEC.

My 24 would be:

Big Ten: Kansas, Oklahoma, and 2 of: BC/Cuse/IowaSt/Missouri
SEC: Texas and 3 of: WVU/Tech/TCU/OklaSt
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RE: The financial viability of mega-conferences
A great B1G 24 move would be to add 10 schools from the PAC.

A great fit for either the SEC or B1G is to raid the ACC to get its top brands and into the North Carolina and Virginia markets. Oklahoma and Texas would also make sense for the either.

Split the difference and send the top PAC schools and markets to the B1G and top ACC schools and markets to the SEC. Then, let them duke it out over Texas and Oklahoma.
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RE: The financial viability of mega-conferences
I can't see the SEC and Big Ten expanding in such a way that states are not split. Therefore, this path will not achieve the desired end.

Better strategy: form a new division consisting of the P5 only, then negotiate as a block.
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They'll do whatever ESPN tells them to do. It's what they did last time and it's what they'll do again.
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How about Michigan to the ACC and Michigan State to the Big XII? See how silly this exercise is now?
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Send UCLA to the ACC, USC to the SEC, Cal to the B10, and Stanford to the B12...

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(01-18-2018 03:03 PM)YNot Wrote:  A great B1G 24 move would be to add 10 schools from the PAC.

A great fit for either the SEC or B1G is to raid the ACC to get its top brands and into the North Carolina and Virginia markets. Oklahoma and Texas would also make sense for the either.

Split the difference and send the top PAC schools and markets to the B1G and top ACC schools and markets to the SEC. Then, let them duke it out over Texas and Oklahoma.

Also a great way to arrive at a mega conference. If you are going that route:

Washington, Oregon, Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Colorado, Arizona, Kansas, Oklahoma
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I think conferences can get too big. Schools already struggling will all but disappear.
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(01-18-2018 02:24 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It has been pointed out on here that it is in the best interest of the networks that schools in the same state be split among two or more conferences so that no one conference has a stranglehold on the state. We've also noted that control of content is critical.

My question is this: could the SEC and Big Ten make themselves more valuable and give them greater leverage when negotiating for media rights if they each expanded to 20-24 member athletic consortiums?

Pulling from the ACC:
SEC--VT, NC St, Clemson, Florida St, Miami, Louisville
Big Ten--UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, Pitt, ND

That's 20 apiece. You could go 24 each with the likes of BC, Syracuse, WVU, Kansas, Oklahoma, Okla St, Texas, Texas Tech, etc

Or a BTN group and SEC group, each with 2 12 team conferences:

BTN Group
Big 10-Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan St., Michigan, Ohio St., Penn St.
Big Atlantic-Rutgers, Maryland, Notre Dame, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson, Miami, UConn, USF

SEC Group
SEC-Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida
ACC-Missouri, South Carolina, Florida St., North Carolina St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Temple.
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(01-19-2018 11:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  Or a BTN group and SEC group, each with 2 12 team conferences:

BTN Group
Big 10-Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan St., Michigan, Ohio St., Penn St.
Big Atlantic-Rutgers, Maryland, Notre Dame, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson, Miami, UConn, USF

SEC Group
SEC-Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida
ACC-Missouri, South Carolina, Florida St., North Carolina St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Temple

"Network Conferences" could be the route of the future. However, why Connecticut, South Florida, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, and Temple? Do you see the XII (- West Virginia) all heading West?
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(01-19-2018 12:11 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 11:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  Or a BTN group and SEC group, each with 2 12 team conferences:

BTN Group
Big 10-Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan St., Michigan, Ohio St., Penn St.
Big Atlantic-Rutgers, Maryland, Notre Dame, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson, Miami, UConn, USF

SEC Group
SEC-Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida
ACC-Missouri, South Carolina, Florida St., North Carolina St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Temple

"Network Conferences" could be the route of the future. However, why Connecticut, South Florida, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, and Temple? Do you see the XII (- West Virginia) all heading West?

In this type of scenario, the Big 12 schools don't fit other than WVU. They would be too far west to fit into the conferences formed out of the ACC. And the SEC and Big 10 wouldn't want to change too much by adding them and subtracting schools in the east.

Of course, if this sort of them were to happen, the Pac 12 and Big 12 would be pretty much forced to form a third mega group.
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(01-19-2018 02:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 12:11 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 11:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  Or a BTN group and SEC group, each with 2 12 team conferences:

BTN Group
Big 10-Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan St., Michigan, Ohio St., Penn St.
Big Atlantic-Rutgers, Maryland, Notre Dame, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson, Miami, UConn, USF

SEC Group
SEC-Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida
ACC-Missouri, South Carolina, Florida St., North Carolina St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Temple

"Network Conferences" could be the route of the future. However, why Connecticut, South Florida, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, and Temple? Do you see the XII (- West Virginia) all heading West?

In this type of scenario, the Big 12 schools don't fit other than WVU. They would be too far west to fit into the conferences formed out of the ACC. And the SEC and Big 10 wouldn't want to change too much by adding them and subtracting schools in the east.

Of course, if this sort of them were to happen, the Pac 12 and Big 12 would be pretty much forced to form a third mega group.

How about 3 conferences of 20?

Big Ten
East: Duke, Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, Ohio State, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Virginia
West: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin
Protected crossover: Michigan/Ohio State

Pac-20
East: Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah
West: Arizona, Arizona State, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington State

SEC
East: Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisville, NC State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
West: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
Protected crossovers: Auburn/Georgia, Kentucky/Tennessee

Left out in cold: Baylor, Boston College, Miami-FL, Wake Forest
Gloriously independent: Notre Dame
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(01-19-2018 03:32 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 02:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 12:11 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 11:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  Or a BTN group and SEC group, each with 2 12 team conferences:

BTN Group
Big 10-Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan St., Michigan, Ohio St., Penn St.
Big Atlantic-Rutgers, Maryland, Notre Dame, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson, Miami, UConn, USF

SEC Group
SEC-Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida
ACC-Missouri, South Carolina, Florida St., North Carolina St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Temple

"Network Conferences" could be the route of the future. However, why Connecticut, South Florida, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, and Temple? Do you see the XII (- West Virginia) all heading West?

In this type of scenario, the Big 12 schools don't fit other than WVU. They would be too far west to fit into the conferences formed out of the ACC. And the SEC and Big 10 wouldn't want to change too much by adding them and subtracting schools in the east.

Of course, if this sort of them were to happen, the Pac 12 and Big 12 would be pretty much forced to form a third mega group.

How about 3 conferences of 20?

Big Ten
East: Duke, Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, Ohio State, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Virginia
West: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin
Protected crossover: Michigan/Ohio State

Pac-20
East: Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah
West: Arizona, Arizona State, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington State

SEC
East: Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisville, NC State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
West: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
Protected crossovers: Auburn/Georgia, Kentucky/Tennessee

Left out in cold: Baylor, Boston College, Miami-FL, Wake Forest
Gloriously independent: Notre Dame

The nice thing about that PAC 20 arrangement is that it could be purely for bargaining of media rights. Two divisions of 10, 9 conference games to determine a true champ of each division because everyone plays everyone in the division and the two division winners square off in the title game.

No crossover required to maintain rivalries. The West is the old PAC10 so rivalries kept. The East are, with the exception of Utah, schools with long ties to each other, and even Utah has some history with Colorado and TCU.

If a guaranteed auto bid was included then a PAC 20 with that arrangement would allow each and every member to control their own destiny for a CFP spot.
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Four conferences of 18 teams (3x6 divisional structure) with semifinal championship format and automatic tie-ins to the Rose Bowl (PAC and B1G) and Orange Bowl (SEC and ACC). Rose and Orange Bowl winners play for the national championship.

Shift around the B12 and room for 7 callups (mostly in the West). 3x6 divisional structure allows for 5 divisional games, 5 cross-conference games, 2 OOC games, and 1 payday home exhibition game against the lower FBS tier.
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(01-19-2018 04:15 PM)YNot Wrote:  Four conferences of 18 teams (3x6 divisional structure) with semifinal championship format and automatic tie-ins to the Rose Bowl (PAC and B1G) and Orange Bowl (SEC and ACC). Rose and Orange Bowl winners play for the national championship.

Shift around the B12 and room for 7 callups (mostly in the West). 3x6 divisional structure allows for 5 divisional games, 5 cross-conference games, 2 OOC games, and 1 payday home exhibition game against the lower FBS tier.

Like this?

ACC
North: Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Syracuse, West Virginia
Central: Duke, NC State, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
South: Central Florida, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL, South Florida

Big Ten
East: Maryland, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers
Central: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
West: Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Pac-18
East: Baylor, Colorado, Houston, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech
North: Boise State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, California, Stanford, UCLA, USC

SEC
East: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Central: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Memphis, Mississippi State, Ole Miss
West: Arkansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M

All the conferences are forced to take on teams they don't want in exchange for getting valuable teams (in the case of the Big Ten, Pac, and SEC) or not being torn apart (in the case of the ACC). The ACC only loses ND and Pitt to the Big Ten.

Wholly implausible, but fun.
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(01-19-2018 03:32 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 02:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 12:11 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 11:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  Or a BTN group and SEC group, each with 2 12 team conferences:

BTN Group
Big 10-Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan St., Michigan, Ohio St., Penn St.
Big Atlantic-Rutgers, Maryland, Notre Dame, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson, Miami, UConn, USF

SEC Group
SEC-Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida
ACC-Missouri, South Carolina, Florida St., North Carolina St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Temple

"Network Conferences" could be the route of the future. However, why Connecticut, South Florida, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, and Temple? Do you see the XII (- West Virginia) all heading West?

In this type of scenario, the Big 12 schools don't fit other than WVU. They would be too far west to fit into the conferences formed out of the ACC. And the SEC and Big 10 wouldn't want to change too much by adding them and subtracting schools in the east.

Of course, if this sort of them were to happen, the Pac 12 and Big 12 would be pretty much forced to form a third mega group.

How about 3 conferences of 20?

Big Ten
East: Duke, Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, Ohio State, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Virginia
West: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin
Protected crossover: Michigan/Ohio State

Pac-20
East: Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah
West: Arizona, Arizona State, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington State

SEC
East: Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisville, NC State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
West: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
Protected crossovers: Auburn/Georgia, Kentucky/Tennessee

Left out in cold: Baylor, Boston College, Miami-FL, Wake Forest
Gloriously independent: Notre Dame

Miami doesn't get left in the cold.
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(01-19-2018 08:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  Miami doesn't get left in the cold.

Who does instead?
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(01-19-2018 09:22 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 08:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  Miami doesn't get left in the cold.

Who does instead?

Iowa St, Kansas St, TCU, Texas Tech - take your pick. I’d even say both Miami and Boston College don’t get left out
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