Show them?

Make them feel inadequate?

Reminds me of the shuper shecret shboard.

k2tigers?

Easterwood?

We pulling out members in this thread?

(01-18-2018 11:22 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  We pulling out members in this thread?

Well, apparently Tigx overpromises and underperforms.

His post:

(01-18-2018 05:41 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Not a twisting of facts. You have said at times that Bama was without its 4 best players when we played them.

I'm still waiting on him to show me my quote where I ever said that.

I guess the reality is he's not much of a "show"er.

Saluki - You are 110% correct with just about all you've said. The big picture is what i'm looking at as well. Why are we fine with mediocre, I just don't get that. We reach the tournament next year if everything falls right and we are talking about just making it. THEN we have to basically start all over the next year. Someone said he can replace them with similar JUCOs, well then you start the same process all over again. It's not a model for long term success, which is prob why Tubby hasn't has long term success ANYWHERE!

Also I thought Bama was missing like 3 of their top 4 scorers or was that not true?

(01-19-2018 01:35 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  Saluki - You are 110% correct with just about all you've said. The big picture is what i'm looking at as well. Why are we fine with mediocre, I just don't get that. We reach the tournament next year if everything falls right and we are talking about just making it. THEN we have to basically start all over the next year. Someone said he can replace them with similar JUCOs, well then you start the same process all over again. It's not a model for long term success, which is prob why Tubby hasn't has long term success ANYWHERE!

Also I thought Bama was missing like 3 of their top 4 scorers or was that not true?

Sorry, they’re not going to fire Tubby this year. I guess you’ll just be happy whining, over and over again.

Dude, find something, anything in your life to enjoy...

I don't think they are going to fire Tubby, i've gotten used to mediocre Memphis basketball, don't like it but between the past 4 years, I've gotten used to it.
I really don't see what's to argue.
Are we going to be a tournament team this year? Nope.
With the recruiting class we have for next year plus the group we have now, will we be projected as a tournament team next year? Nope. NIT prob.
Will close to half the roster be lost after next year? Yes.
What is incorrect about the above?
Send me your blinders please or at least send me your apathetic mediocre mindset.

(01-19-2018 02:16 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  I don't think they are going to fire Tubby, i've gotten used to mediocre Memphis basketball, don't like it but between the past 4 years, I've gotten used to it.
I really don't see what's to argue.
Are we going to be a tournament team this year? Nope.
With the recruiting class we have for next year plus the group we have now, will we be projected as a tournament team next year? Nope. NIT prob.
Will close to half the roster be lost after next year? Yes.
What is incorrect about the above?
Send me your blinders please or at least send me your apathetic mediocre mindset.

Blinders?

No, this team will almost positively NOT make the NCAA. I resigned myself to that a long time ago. I was really hoping that a couple of the new guys could be pretty good D1 players. I’m optimistic that we’ve got a good core next year. We’re a few pieces from being a tournament team. Baby steps. I don’t think anyone was optimistic about our season and players earlier.

Tubby built this team in April. He assumed his team was coming back, possibly he should have known, but he didn’t. I think the Lawson’s were keeping it kind of quiet and took great pleasure leaving us high and dry (and a middle finger to boot). Then it completely fell apart. At least he knows that he’ll lose a lot of players after next year. Something he didn’t know this year.

I’m not on the least concerned about 2 years from now. That’s a long time in college basketball.

(01-19-2018 02:30 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:16 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  I don't think they are going to fire Tubby, i've gotten used to mediocre Memphis basketball, don't like it but between the past 4 years, I've gotten used to it.
I really don't see what's to argue.
Are we going to be a tournament team this year? Nope.
With the recruiting class we have for next year plus the group we have now, will we be projected as a tournament team next year? Nope. NIT prob.
Will close to half the roster be lost after next year? Yes.
What is incorrect about the above?
Send me your blinders please or at least send me your apathetic mediocre mindset.

Blinders?

No, this team will almost positively NOT make the NCAA. I resigned myself to that a long time ago. I was really hoping that a couple of the new guys could be pretty good D1 players. I’m optimistic that we’ve got a good core next year. We’re a few pieces from being a tournament team. Baby steps. I don’t think anyone was optimistic about our season and players earlier.

Tubby built this team in April. He assumed his team was coming back, possibly he should have known, but he didn’t. I think the Lawson’s were keeping it kind of quiet and took great pleasure leaving us high and dry (and a middle finger to boot). Then it completely fell apart. At least he knows that he’ll lose a lot of players after next year. Something he didn’t know this year.

I’m not on the least concerned about 2 years from now. That’s a long time in college basketball.

And yet the only signee is a 7'4 project that can't rebound. You'd think that knowing your roster is gone in 2 years, you'd be stocking up non JUCO recruits to implement your "process." That's the problem intelligent fans have with Tubby. I would have hope if this team were predominantly freshmen that by year 3 of the "process" would be baked into Tubby's system. However, the majority of this team doesn't have 3 years left, only 1 after this season. Then it's the same stop gap approach in April 2019. What in Tubby's last 10 recruiting classes gives you hope that he will land talent that has an immediate impact? What decent grad transfer would sign on to play for a team that has no possibility of postseason play? If this is the "process", it's a pretty crappy one that is unsustainable.

(01-19-2018 07:50 AM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:30 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:16 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  I don't think they are going to fire Tubby, i've gotten used to mediocre Memphis basketball, don't like it but between the past 4 years, I've gotten used to it.
I really don't see what's to argue.
Are we going to be a tournament team this year? Nope.
With the recruiting class we have for next year plus the group we have now, will we be projected as a tournament team next year? Nope. NIT prob.
Will close to half the roster be lost after next year? Yes.
What is incorrect about the above?
Send me your blinders please or at least send me your apathetic mediocre mindset.

Blinders?

No, this team will almost positively NOT make the NCAA. I resigned myself to that a long time ago. I was really hoping that a couple of the new guys could be pretty good D1 players. I’m optimistic that we’ve got a good core next year. We’re a few pieces from being a tournament team. Baby steps. I don’t think anyone was optimistic about our season and players earlier.

Tubby built this team in April. He assumed his team was coming back, possibly he should have known, but he didn’t. I think the Lawson’s were keeping it kind of quiet and took great pleasure leaving us high and dry (and a middle finger to boot). Then it completely fell apart. At least he knows that he’ll lose a lot of players after next year. Something he didn’t know this year.

I’m not on the least concerned about 2 years from now. That’s a long time in college basketball.

And yet the only signee is a 7'4 project that can't rebound. You'd think that knowing your roster is gone in 2 years, you'd be stocking up non JUCO recruits to implement your "process." That's the problem intelligent fans have with Tubby. I would have hope if this team were predominantly freshmen that by year 3 of the "process" would be baked into Tubby's system. However, the majority of this team doesn't have 3 years left, only 1 after this season. Then it's the same stop gap approach in April 2019. What in Tubby's last 10 recruiting classes gives you hope that he will land talent that has an immediate impact? What decent grad transfer would sign on to play for a team that has no possibility of postseason play? If this is the "process", it's a pretty crappy one that is unsustainable.

So you will have 7 guys coming back in 2019 (1 Senior, 3 Juniors and 3 Sophomores)...He will have his hands full filling holes but that is much better than only having 2 guys coming back.

Go Tigers Go! Love winning! Proud of these guys for putting in the time and effort to improve. Happy for short term success.


But what are we talking about really? What are we celebrating? Good ole mediocre Tubby. When Tubby's Tigers go 20-10 annually and limp into NCAA tounrey every couple of years, is that success? At Minnesota or Texas Tech.....sure. At MEMPHIS: NO.

All we have to do now is take these lives and make them true, somehow.

(01-19-2018 01:35 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  Also I thought Bama was missing like 3 of their top 4 scorers or was that not true?

Thank you, Eric, for asking the question. We are on different sides of the pro/anti-Tubby divide, but, unlike Saluki, who you give way too much credit to, we should be able to agree on basic facts, right?

Bama was missing only one of their top players, Collin Sexton, when they played us.

Ar'mond Davis sucks and hasn't played all year, his time at Bama is probably done. Riley Norris is an end of the rotation "Senior leader" type, and has scored only 43 points all year, averaging 4.8 ppg in 9 games played. And Braxton Key has played in only 8 games all year, averages 3.9 ppg, and has scored 31 points all season.

For the last time, Bama was missing only ONE of their top players when we played them on November 10th.

(01-19-2018 09:51 AM)gusrob Wrote:  Go Tigers Go! Love winning! Proud of these guys for putting in the time and effort to improve. Happy for short term success.


But what are we talking about really? What are we celebrating? Good ole mediocre Tubby. When Tubby's Tigers go 20-10 annually and limp into NCAA tounrey every couple of years, is that success? At Minnesota or Texas Tech.....sure. At MEMPHIS: NO.

The bar - and attendance - has been lowered. Tubby is not going to help with season tix renewals, I think we can all agree on that. I know I'll be called a chicken little (especially as an OOTer), but I am not sure how Tubby is going to recruit since (a) he doesn't seem to want to (b) Saul is his primary 'recruiter' and © the atmosphere at FEF is like a morgue.

Two more years of Tubby and we'll be DePaul.

(01-19-2018 09:52 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 01:35 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  Also I thought Bama was missing like 3 of their top 4 scorers or was that not true?

Thank you, Eric, for asking the question. We are on different sides of the pro/anti-Tubby divide, but, unlike Saluki, who you give way too much credit to, we should be able to agree on basic facts, right?

Bama was missing only one of their top players, Collin Sexton, when they played us.

Ar'mond Davis sucks and hasn't played all year, his time at Bama is probably done. Riley Norris is an end of the rotation "Senior leader" type, and has scored only 43 points all year, averaging 4.8 ppg in 9 games played. And Braxton Key has played in only 8 games all year, averages 3.9 ppg, and has scored 31 points all season.

For the last time, Bama was missing only ONE of their top players when we played them on November 10th.

On November 10th did you have all this additional information.

How do you argue with a valid point a poster made based on the available information at the time with information you have 3 months later.

At that time Key was their leading scorer the previous year, Norris was their 3rd leading scorer the previous year and and Davis was their 6th leading scorer the previous year...That is all the data they had to go on so what they said was 100% valid.

Now it turns out Alabama is completely different team this year and those guys are no longer key components so people should stop saying that they were missing key pieces but at that time it appeared that they were.

(01-19-2018 11:01 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 09:52 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 01:35 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  Also I thought Bama was missing like 3 of their top 4 scorers or was that not true?

Thank you, Eric, for asking the question. We are on different sides of the pro/anti-Tubby divide, but, unlike Saluki, who you give way too much credit to, we should be able to agree on basic facts, right?

Bama was missing only one of their top players, Collin Sexton, when they played us.

Ar'mond Davis sucks and hasn't played all year, his time at Bama is probably done. Riley Norris is an end of the rotation "Senior leader" type, and has scored only 43 points all year, averaging 4.8 ppg in 9 games played. And Braxton Key has played in only 8 games all year, averages 3.9 ppg, and has scored 31 points all season.

For the last time, Bama was missing only ONE of their top players when we played them on November 10th.

On November 10th did you have all this additional information.

How do you argue with a valid point a poster made based on the available information at the time with information you have 3 months later.

Damn, man. That's the whole freaking point!

These guys are still claiming Bama was without its 3 or 4 best players. And NOW, today, 2 months later with more information, we know that is not true. Yet they still claim it.

Our ability to analyze and adjust did not stop forever on November 10th. Except maybe for the anti-Tubby cabal.

(01-19-2018 09:52 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 01:35 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  Also I thought Bama was missing like 3 of their top 4 scorers or was that not true?

Thank you, Eric, for asking the question. We are on different sides of the pro/anti-Tubby divide, but, unlike Saluki, who you give way too much credit to, we should be able to agree on basic facts, right?

Bama was missing only one of their top players, Collin Sexton, when they played us.

Ar'mond Davis sucks and hasn't played all year, his time at Bama is probably done. Riley Norris is an end of the rotation "Senior leader" type, and has scored only 43 points all year, averaging 4.8 ppg in 9 games played. And Braxton Key has played in only 8 games all year, averages 3.9 ppg, and has scored 31 points all season.

For the last time, Bama was missing only ONE of their top players when we played them on November 10th.

They were missing 2 of their top 3 scorers from the previous year and their top recruit. Can't you read?

I’m cautiously optimistic. Remember, there was a time last year we all jumped on board. Then the team crapped the bed down the final stretch of the season.

As Geoff stated, attendance is still a problem. It started with Josh and has continued with Tubby. We averaged 16,000+ and ranked 9th in national attendance over a 7 year period. Then from 2015-last year we went from 13,925 to to 12,028 to 9,622 ... I would expect that to continue to drop this season.

(01-19-2018 11:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I’m cautiously optimistic. Remember, there was a time last year we all jumped on board. Then the team crapped the bed down the final stretch of the season.

As Geoff stated, attendance is still a problem. It started with Josh and has continued with Tubby. We averaged 16,000+ and ranked 9th in national attendance over a 7 year period. Then from 2015-last year we went from 13,925 to to 12,028 to 9,622 ... I would expect that to continue to drop this season.

Memphis is going to be shocked if they announce the real numbers.

(01-19-2018 09:51 AM)fsquid Wrote:  All we have to do now is take these lives and make them true, somehow.

I don't belong to you and you don't belong to me.

(01-19-2018 11:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I’m cautiously optimistic. Remember, there was a time last year we all jumped on board. Then the team crapped the bed down the final stretch of the season.

As Geoff stated, attendance is still a problem. It started with Josh and has continued with Tubby. We averaged 16,000+ and ranked 9th in national attendance over a 7 year period. Then from 2015-last year we went from 13,925 to to 12,028 to 9,622 ... I would expect that to continue to drop this season.

Need to play better teams in addition to putting a better one of our own on the court.

Georgetown
Gonzaga
Texas
Xavier
Arizona
Syracuse
Cincinnati
Louisville
Villanova (Pyramid)
Illinois (Pyramid)
Mizzou (Pyramid)

All of them were in here for non-conf games during the Cal and Josh years. None of them were SEC teams at the time.