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RE: Looks like the NCAA is going to change transfer rules.
Gonna be even more rampant cheating and paying of athletes.

Entice a star player from Marshall to come to WVa, etc.
01-18-2018 01:41 PM
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RE: Looks like the NCAA is going to change transfer rules.
(01-18-2018 11:19 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 09:28 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Clear overreaction to the question "if coaches can switch schools without losing a year, why shouldn't players?" There's got to be a better way.

Head coaches at least normally have to pay a buyout.

Correct no coach moves freely....

usually cost anywhere from a few hundred thousand to millions. They sign a contract with a cost to move on before fulfilling it just as the players do.

My personal opinion if a player is unhappy and dont want to play at my school....move on. They are selfish and not a team player, if it's a starter.

This same argument took place with the GT....the P5 will pick our best players off. From my point of view it's benefit the G5 schools more than the P5

Those that put a lot of stock in recruiting ranking should love this rule. BTW, I don't. But if you do there's a lot more talent sitting on the benches of P5 programs that are not seeing the field for 3 years and not getting along with the coach. Now they have a option. There's only so many spots in P5 programs.

Will some of us lose players with talent? Probably but those will be the selfish player who thinks they have a shot at the NBA, NFL.

Most championships are won by teams. There's a lot of teams that look like champions on paper then fall apart or come up short because they have a few me first players
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RE: Looks like the NCAA is going to change transfer rules.
(01-18-2018 11:19 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  Head coaches at least normally have to pay a buyout.

It is extremely rare that a single cent of buyouts are actually paid by the coach. It's typically paid by the school that is hiring him away. In fact, Jim McElwain is the only coach I can remember agreeing to pay a portion (not even the full amount) of his own buyout when he left Colorado State for Florida. And given the ultimate outcome of that arrangement, I imagine you wont' see any coach agree to that type of arrangement again for a long long time.
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RE: Looks like the NCAA is going to change transfer rules.
(01-18-2018 02:01 PM)Bleacher Eagle Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 11:19 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  Head coaches at least normally have to pay a buyout.

It is extremely rare that a single cent of buyouts are actually paid by the coach. It's typically paid by the school that is hiring him away. In fact, Jim McElwain is the only coach I can remember agreeing to pay a portion (not even the full amount) of his own buyout when he left Colorado State for Florida. And given the ultimate outcome of that arrangement, I imagine you wont' see any coach agree to that type of arrangement again for a long long time.

It does not matter who paid it....

it was still a dollar amount paid to end the contract and the coach would have been sued if it was not paid.
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(01-18-2018 02:04 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  It does not matter who paid it....
It matters immensely when the debate is that coaches get to move around freely without consequence while players do not.

The original quote was that
(01-18-2018 11:19 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  Head coaches at least normally have to pay a buyout.

That is not true. They rarely pay a dime out of their own pocket. There is rarely any consequences for them for leaving to accept another job.

Players should be allowed the same freedoms as the coaches. They are people, not property.
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RE: Looks like the NCAA is going to change transfer rules.
(01-18-2018 02:22 PM)Bleacher Eagle Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 02:04 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  It does not matter who paid it....
It matters immensely when the debate is that coaches get to move around freely without consequence while players do not.

The original quote was that
(01-18-2018 11:19 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  Head coaches at least normally have to pay a buyout.

That is not true. They rarely pay a dime out of their own pocket. There is rarely any consequences for them for leaving to accept another job.

Players should be allowed the same freedoms as the coaches. They are people, not property.

Again no coach is moving freely....freely means with out cost. They have a contract just as the player and have a clause to get out of it.

Now the problem I have most schools limit that contract to one year. But the NCAA LOI does not have that limit.

Lets put this in another context on the problem you have with no money coming from the coach. The school is not allowed to give a scholarship to a transfer they don't have room for (13) and we see all the time "he's paying his own way"

you and I both know that's bullshiit because not one of these basketball transfers have 25,000 laying around and that is on the low end. Some of these schools cost 2 to 3x that amount for a year. When you include everything.
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This would be terrible if true. Coaches will all of a sudden be required to kiss the butt of their players with potential rather that be tough on them to improve. Otherwise they'll throw the "Im transferring" card at them all the time. Teams can never plan or build for the future. It will be even worse for basketball where one or two players can make a huge difference. If they're going to do this they may as well admit there is a new division in college sports and only let players transfer down a level (P5, G5, FCS, D2) without sitting out. This will not go well for anyone other than the UNCs, Dukes, Ohio States and Alabamas of the world.
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They should have allowed down and sideways but not up without sitting a year. If they're so hellbent on designating us below them then transferring should reflect that. They can transfer down or sideways but not up. So G5 can transfer to any other G5 freely but would sit to go P5. P5 can go to other P5 or G5 freely. Grad transfer remains as is.

This keeps from punishing a kid for making a bad choice on which school to attend but doesn't let the Alabamas poach kids that a school has invested a lot of time and money in developing.

Short of that an upward movement should result in the higher level school reimbursing the lower school for their time and money. If they're going to make it a total farce then they might as well add in buying out player contracts.
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(01-18-2018 02:42 PM)monarx Wrote:  This would be terrible if true. Coaches will all of a sudden be required to kiss the butt of their players with potential rather that be tough on them to improve. Otherwise they'll throw the "Im transferring" card at them all the time. Teams can never plan or build for the future. It will be even worse for basketball where one or two players can make a huge difference. If they're going to do this they may as well admit there is a new division in college sports and only let players transfer down a level (P5, G5, FCS, D2) without sitting out. This will not go well for anyone other than the UNCs, Dukes, Ohio States and Alabamas of the world.

Haha we said the same thing a minute apart. Great minds....
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(01-18-2018 01:39 PM)IULurker Wrote:  Next step is to increase the scholarship limit from 85 to 100...

To me, that would hurt the G5 (and lower half of P5) much more.

I can't imagine why anyone outside of the top 15 programs would want to raise the scholarship limits.
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(01-18-2018 02:43 PM)MUther Wrote:  They can transfer down or sideways but not up. So G5 can transfer to any other G5 freely but would sit to go P5. P5 can go to other P5 or G5 freely. Grad transfer remains as is.

I like that idea a lot. I would just add that the coaches of transferring players should NOT have the power to block which schools the player can be released to: up, down or sideways
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Gonna be harder and harder to make the Big Dance in hoops.

Money talks............. and there will be plenty of it at the Silverspoon Schools. Many have more money than they know what to do with -- why not offer to best players from programs like ours.

Wonder how many members of our all-frosh teams will transfer out after one season ?
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(01-18-2018 03:15 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Gonna be harder and harder to make the Big Dance in hoops.

Money talks............. and there will be plenty of it at the Silverspoon Schools. Many have more money than they know what to do with -- why not offer to best players from programs like ours.

Wonder how many members of our all-frosh teams will transfer out after one season ?

A lot of our schools in conf. already lose a bunch of guys, this is probably going to double that....Here at WKU somehow we have not lost hardly any "good" players to transfer in a long time, with the talent we have now I am afraid that may change here soon...

This rule is just crazy, surely this is just preliminary and their will be tweaks to it...I cannot imagine other than 20 or 30 head coaches would like this rules.....Hopefully they get enough push back it doesn't happen...
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(01-18-2018 03:37 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 03:15 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Gonna be harder and harder to make the Big Dance in hoops.

Money talks............. and there will be plenty of it at the Silverspoon Schools. Many have more money than they know what to do with -- why not offer to best players from programs like ours.

Wonder how many members of our all-frosh teams will transfer out after one season ?

A lot of our schools in conf. already lose a bunch of guys, this is probably going to double that....Here at WKU somehow we have not lost hardly any "good" players to transfer in a long time, with the talent we have now I am afraid that may change here soon...

This rule is just crazy, surely this is just preliminary and their will be tweaks to it...I cannot imagine other than 20 or 30 head coaches would like this rules.....Hopefully they get enough push back it doesn't happen...

Or it blows up in their faces and creates more parity. They'll kill it fast if the river is flowing downstream to the G5. With 22 starters plus special teams there is the potential for a lot of movement from guys who want to play anywhere they can.
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(01-18-2018 03:42 PM)MUther Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 03:37 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 03:15 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Gonna be harder and harder to make the Big Dance in hoops.

Money talks............. and there will be plenty of it at the Silverspoon Schools. Many have more money than they know what to do with -- why not offer to best players from programs like ours.

Wonder how many members of our all-frosh teams will transfer out after one season ?

A lot of our schools in conf. already lose a bunch of guys, this is probably going to double that....Here at WKU somehow we have not lost hardly any "good" players to transfer in a long time, with the talent we have now I am afraid that may change here soon...

This rule is just crazy, surely this is just preliminary and their will be tweaks to it...I cannot imagine other than 20 or 30 head coaches would like this rules.....Hopefully they get enough push back it doesn't happen...

Or it blows up in their faces and creates more parity. They'll kill it fast if the river is flowing downstream to the G5. With 22 starters plus special teams there is the potential for a lot of movement from guys who want to play anywhere they can.

True I guess I should be more specific, basketball is where this hurts, I am in hoops mode haha..For football I don't think its that bad, for basketball its a killer imo...Football I think FCS schools would be livid as a lot of those teams rely on FBS players transferring down to pay right away, will really hurt those guys...
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I like the idea of the sideways or down rule, but it would just be one more way the Top would separate themselves from the bottom. When the inevitable split comes, we don't want to be on the wrong side of it.

I would be okay with allowing instant transfers during extenuating circumstances (namely, a HC leaving a program). The only stipulation I would throw in is that the player couldn't follow the exiting coach without sitting out.
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So, in football can an athlete go from 1-aa to 1-A without sitting out a year now ?
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G5 will let it happen because they are trying to land P5 jobs in the future.
Schools' Board of Directors should sue the pants off administrators that vote against the interests of the schools.
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This is what happens when you dumb down education to get atheletes. This is what happens when the face of a school becomes the coach instead of the school. The is what happens when athletes are misled to believe they are being prepared for the NFL or NBA instead of an education, when only a small percent will make it to the next level.

The schools should sign a contract with the athlete (1) We will educate you if you apply yourself (2) We will prepare you to succeed in the world after you have walked across our stage (3) You can give us five schools (NOW) that we agree you can transfer to for athletics should you desire to leave after the first year (4) We will not agree for you to follow a coach on staff that goes to another school, unless that school is on your list of five.
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(01-18-2018 04:46 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  So, in football can an athlete go from 1-aa to 1-A without sitting out a year now ?
It might have changed, but I thought if you transfer up you have to sit out a year
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