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RE: Gary Clark - Where Does He Stand All-Time?
To get to 1,500 career points he would need to average around 15 PPG down the stretch or slightly less if UC has a very deep run in March. Would put Clark 14th in scoring and 3rd in rebounding while passing both Paul Hogue and Robert Miller in those two categories.
 
01-23-2018 11:09 AM
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(01-23-2018 11:09 AM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  To get to 1,500 career points he would need to average around 15 PPG down the stretch or slightly less if UC has a very deep run in March. Would put Clark 14th in scoring and 3rd in rebounding while passing both Paul Hogue and Robert Miller in those two categories.

I think he doesn't quite get to 1,500. Gary has come on strong the last three games with 14-17 point performances, but IMHO he will get back to baseline at some point and average 10-12 points a night over the last stretch of the season (based on his career averages). I see him finishing north of 1400 points and in that 16-17 range. Obviously a lot of this is dependent on how many games we play in the conference tournament and NCAAT.

OTOH, I listened to Mick's interview with the media and he indicated he has counseled Gary of late to start putting up more points so that it will help get him "noticed" by scouts for his professional career. Its possible that the 14-15 points will be the new norm, since the 10-12 ppg was based on Gary being unselfish and distributing the ball.
 
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(01-23-2018 11:19 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 11:09 AM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  To get to 1,500 career points he would need to average around 15 PPG down the stretch or slightly less if UC has a very deep run in March. Would put Clark 14th in scoring and 3rd in rebounding while passing both Paul Hogue and Robert Miller in those two categories.

I think he doesn't quite get to 1,500. Gary has come on strong the last three games with 14-17 point performances, but IMHO he will get back to baseline at some point and average 10-12 points a night over the last stretch of the season (based on his career averages). I see him finishing north of 1400 points and in that 16-17 range. Obviously a lot of this is dependent on how many games we play in the conference tournament and NCAAT.

OTOH, I listened to Mick's interview with the media and he indicated he has counseled Gary of late to start putting up more points so that it will help get him "noticed" by scouts for his professional career. Its possible that the 14-15 points will be the new norm, since the 10-12 ppg was based on Gary being unselfish and distributing the ball.

Might damn time. Clark deserves to shine a little.
Looking at those lists, I notice all those people who left early. It's hard to impress on people just how dominant of a player Danny Fortson really was. If he had stayed all 4 years he'd be top 5 in both categories.
 
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(01-23-2018 12:02 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Looking at those lists, I notice all those people who left early. It's hard to impress on people just how dominant of a player Danny Fortson really was. If he had stayed all 4 years he'd be top 5 in both categories.
Sorry if it feels like I'm beating a dead horse but you just quantified something I usually repeat when these debates come up. Fortsons dominance clearly separates him from the Shoemaker Era cats. On my list he goes #1 without any real competition and start the debate at #2.

Mo was discussing this yesterday and said he knows there's better players but when someone asks where Gary is he's easily a top 5 favorite player. As far as best players of the era I'd have him first big guy off the bench behind Danny and Kenyon but as far as favorites I'm not so sure Gary isn't going to be my #1.
 
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We all obviously know Clark does things that don't necessarily show up in the box score, but it's staggering when you look at advanced stats. He's by far the leader in career win shares in AAC history. Yes, there are guys like Ojeleye, Kilpatrick, Napier, etc. that had huge seasons in their one year in the league, but Clark's dominance over a career is so impressive.

Win Shares:
1. Gary Clark 19.99
2. Troy Caupain 15.73
3. Ben Moore 15.72
4. Nic Moore 15.69
5. Sterling Brown 15.25

7. Jacob Evans 12.65

To add even more context, Gary is on pace to have 22.36 career win shares at the end of the regular season. That would place him 8th (for players since 1995) in the ACC, 4th in the Big East, 3rd in the Big 10, 3rd in the Big 12, and 1st in the Pac-12.
 
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It's hard to compare players who play completely different positions, and I know next to nothing about players before the Huggins era. But considering the Huggins and Cronin eras, I would put Gary Clark either 3rd or 4th among the 4's and 5's, either just ahead of or just behind Maxiell. Martin and Fortson are in their own class, with Clark and Maxiell heading up the 2nd tier, along with Hicks and Gates. The tough ones to rank are guys like Corie Blount and Dontonio Wingfield, who weren't here long but did go to the NBA. Blount in particular had a really long NBA career. Hell, even Art Long had a stint in the NBA, even if he didn't exactly make us proud to be Bearcats fans...
 
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(01-24-2018 04:42 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  It's hard to compare players who play completely different positions, and I know next to nothing about players before the Huggins era. But considering the Huggins and Cronin eras, I would put Gary Clark either 3rd or 4th among the 4's and 5's, either just ahead of or just behind Maxiell. Martin and Fortson are in their own class, with Clark and Maxiell heading up the 2nd tier, along with Hicks and Gates. The tough ones to rank are guys like Corie Blount and Dontonio Wingfield, who weren't here long but did go to the NBA. Blount in particular had a really long NBA career. Hell, even Art Long had a stint in the NBA, even if he didn't exactly make us proud to be Bearcats fans...

I thought Wingfield was better than Maxiell here... they played different, but as a freshman, DW averaged more Pts, Reb, Stls and Assists than Maxiell ever did in a season. Maxiell played his role well and worked his butt off tho, Wingfield wasn't good enough to be a star in the NBA, but his game was suited to be a teams alpha. Also really depends if you're comparing peak season or career. Each player at their best I go Martin, Fortson, Clark, Wingfield, Blount, Maxiell, Brannen, Gates
 
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Clark is now #9 in KenPom’s National Player of the Year rankings.
 
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When you factor in all facets of the game, defense, playing passing lanes, passing, outside shooting, scoring in the lane, he may be the best all around player we have had in the modern era. It may not be close.
 
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