https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...036681001/

They are trying to take the route West Virginia took to get away from Virginia during the civil war so it's a long shot but newsworthy. The bulk of the land area of the state wants to get away from the coast (Bay area to LA). The irony to me is that after Trump was elected, I saw lots of Californian's that wanted to secede from the US...

Anyway, seeing as how most of the universities in Cali are in the coastal counties that would remain California I don't see how this affects my beloved college football picture with one exception.

I'm not a Cali boy but I am familiar with their world wide recognized university system. Not to get into too much detail but when designed there were 3 components: UC system (The top system for grad level research), The State system (teachers and such), and finally community college system (which would funnel students to the UC and State system). For the same reason that all of the Big Ten school and Pac 12 schools are MAJOR research schools if "New California" were to dump a whole bunch of money into a school it would make sense to me if they use one of the current UC schools which already has the infrastructure to do massive amounts of research, I mean... why reinvent the wheel.

"New California" would encompass 4 of the present 10 UC University systems.
UC Irvine (Orange County)
UC Merced (Merced County)
UC Riverside (Riverside County)
UC San Diego (San Diego County)

I don't know enough about California to know which of those schools are the most attractive for flagship or if they'll choose the New York style of not naming a flagship (huge mistake) but I think they'll have to attract attention to at least one of their schools athletically if they are to get out of the shadow of "old" California.

Mr. Daper again. He is the equivalent of DavidSt when it comes to partitioning California.

This isn't happening any more than Austin and some other cities separating from Texas is happening.

(01-16-2018 07:31 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Mr. Daper again. He is the equivalent of DavidSt when it comes to partitioning California.

What?

West Virginia would never have been able to leave Virginia without a questionable wartime rump Virginia legislature to assist. These counties will have no such 'assist' and are going nowhere. It is more likely for California to secede from the union than it is for these counties to convince California to cut them loose.

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I have a friend who used to live in the Bay Area. He seemed to think the split would be north/south with the split somewhere below San Francisco. It was partially political and partially about naltural resources.

(01-16-2018 07:32 PM)Bogg Wrote:  This isn't happening any more than Austin and some other cities separating from Texas is happening.

I live in Houston so I agree. However, I used to live in Austin and there are so many California transplants there that it is astounding. I think the new tax law is going to accelerate Cali transplants to Austin. A liberal city in low-tax, low-regulation Texas. So they get the best of both worlds.

(01-16-2018 07:36 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  West Virginia would never have been able to leave Virginia without a questionable wartime rump Virginia legislature to assist. These counties will have no such 'assist' and are going nowhere. It is more likely for California to secede from the union than it is for these counties to convince California to cut them loose.

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I agree too which is why I say it is a long shot. I'm thinking about taxpayers. there would be about 2 million more people in Old Cali vs New Cali but a loss of roughly 18 million taxpayers in cash strapped California wouldn't go over well. Not to mention if they were to go Texas on steroids as far as taxes and regulation... a lot of people would want to cross over the border to "New Cali" California is already suffering from loss of business and population to Texas, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, etc. They won't want another competitor that shares parts of the Pacific Ocean.

(01-16-2018 07:49 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 07:32 PM)Bogg Wrote:  This isn't happening any more than Austin and some other cities separating from Texas is happening.

I live in Houston so I agree. However, I used to live in Austin and there are so many California transplants there that it is astounding. I think the new tax law is going to accelerate Cali transplants to Austin. A liberal city in low-tax, low-regulation Texas. So they get the best of both worlds.

The tax plan inadvertently turning Texas purple would be a hilarious side effect.

(01-16-2018 08:01 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 07:49 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 07:32 PM)Bogg Wrote:  This isn't happening any more than Austin and some other cities separating from Texas is happening.

I live in Houston so I agree. However, I used to live in Austin and there are so many California transplants there that it is astounding. I think the new tax law is going to accelerate Cali transplants to Austin. A liberal city in low-tax, low-regulation Texas. So they get the best of both worlds.

The tax plan inadvertently turning Texas purple would be a hilarious side effect.

Not to get too political but Texas has a LOT of rural vote. Left politics is seen by many here as a party for the snobby elites that pretend to be for the poor man. They are FIGHTING tooth and nail for the salt deduction where a majority of the benefit goes to the 1 percenters they act like they hate. I mean what's wrong with the rich paying more according to their logic?

(01-16-2018 08:10 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 08:01 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 07:49 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 07:32 PM)Bogg Wrote:  This isn't happening any more than Austin and some other cities separating from Texas is happening.

I live in Houston so I agree. However, I used to live in Austin and there are so many California transplants there that it is astounding. I think the new tax law is going to accelerate Cali transplants to Austin. A liberal city in low-tax, low-regulation Texas. So they get the best of both worlds.

The tax plan inadvertently turning Texas purple would be a hilarious side effect.

Not to get too political but Texas has a LOT of rural vote. Left politics is seen by many here as a party for the snobby elites that pretend to be for the poor man. They are FIGHTING tooth and nail for the salt deduction where a majority of the benefit goes to the 1 percenters they act like they hate. I mean what's wrong with the rich paying more according to their logic?

...and California has a lot of urban vote, which is why this while thread is pointless. You have as good of a chance of seeing a purple Texas a you do multiple Californias. This thread belongs in the political section.

You're not thinking big enough. Why divide into just two states? Here's an even better idea that I am sure you will agree with:

Los Angeles County alone has more people than each of the 41 states shown in blue on the map below. Why not divide LA County into 17 states, each with more people than Wyoming? Or do the same thing for the whole state. We could have 68 California states that each have more people than Wyoming. Instead of 2 U.S. senators, California would have 136.



And since this thread has zero, zip, nada to do with college sports, it's being moved to the Spin Room, where there are already other threads discussing the same ol' same ol' will-never-happen idea, and where everyone can state their agreement (heh) that in a more perfect union, California would be divided into 68 states, each with its own two U.S. senators.

(01-16-2018 08:24 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 08:10 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 08:01 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 07:49 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 07:32 PM)Bogg Wrote:  This isn't happening any more than Austin and some other cities separating from Texas is happening.

I live in Houston so I agree. However, I used to live in Austin and there are so many California transplants there that it is astounding. I think the new tax law is going to accelerate Cali transplants to Austin. A liberal city in low-tax, low-regulation Texas. So they get the best of both worlds.

The tax plan inadvertently turning Texas purple would be a hilarious side effect.

Not to get too political but Texas has a LOT of rural vote. Left politics is seen by many here as a party for the snobby elites that pretend to be for the poor man. They are FIGHTING tooth and nail for the salt deduction where a majority of the benefit goes to the 1 percenters they act like they hate. I mean what's wrong with the rich paying more according to their logic?

...and California has a lot of urban vote, which is why this while thread is pointless. You have as good of a chance of seeing a purple Texas a you do multiple Californias. This thread belongs in the political section.

California also has a lot of rural vote. Nearly 50% of the nation's agricultural workers are in California. And there's more Republican members of congress from California than every state except Texas and Florida.

(01-16-2018 08:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You're not thinking big enough. Why divide into just two states? Here's an even better idea that I am sure you will agree with:

Los Angeles County alone has more people than each of the 41 states shown in blue on the map below. Why not divide LA County into 17 states, each with more people than Wyoming? Or do the same thing for the whole state. We could have 68 California states that each have more people than Wyoming. Instead of 2 U.S. senators, California would have 136.



And since this thread has zero, zip, nada to do with college sports, it's being moved to the Spin Room, where there are already other threads discussing the same ol' same ol' will-never-happen idea, and where everyone can state their agreement (heh) that in a more perfect union, California would be divided into 68 states, each with its own two U.S. senators.

That's not a horrible idea. Rhode Island is a state and they only have little over a million people. Why shouldn't these larger state have to reduce size to fit the needs on the people? What if? ( I know) When a state has a population in a certain area. Say around 4-5 million. Then they are allowed to rezone the area and form a new state. New York would become three states. Texas would become five. California would be around 6 to 7.

(01-16-2018 07:17 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...036681001/

They are trying to take the route West Virginia took to get away from Virginia during the civil war so it's a long shot but newsworthy. The bulk of the land area of the state wants to get away from the coast (Bay area to LA). The irony to me is that after Trump was elected, I saw lots of Californian's that wanted to secede from the US...

Anyway, seeing as how most of the universities in Cali are in the coastal counties that would remain California I don't see how this affects my beloved college football picture with one exception.

I'm not a Cali boy but I am familiar with their world wide recognized university system. Not to get into too much detail but when designed there were 3 components: UC system (The top system for grad level research), The State system (teachers and such), and finally community college system (which would funnel students to the UC and State system). For the same reason that all of the Big Ten school and Pac 12 schools are MAJOR research schools if "New California" were to dump a whole bunch of money into a school it would make sense to me if they use one of the current UC schools which already has the infrastructure to do massive amounts of research, I mean... why reinvent the wheel.

"New California" would encompass 4 of the present 10 UC University systems.
UC Irvine (Orange County)
UC Merced (Merced County)
UC Riverside (Riverside County)
UC San Diego (San Diego County)

I don't know enough about California to know which of those schools are the most attractive for flagship or if they'll choose the New York style of not naming a flagship (huge mistake) but I think they'll have to attract attention to at least one of their schools athletically if they are to get out of the shadow of "old" California.

You cannot secede from the US or from any US state.

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(01-17-2018 06:09 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 07:17 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...036681001/

They are trying to take the route West Virginia took to get away from Virginia during the civil war so it's a long shot but newsworthy. The bulk of the land area of the state wants to get away from the coast (Bay area to LA). The irony to me is that after Trump was elected, I saw lots of Californian's that wanted to secede from the US...

Anyway, seeing as how most of the universities in Cali are in the coastal counties that would remain California I don't see how this affects my beloved college football picture with one exception.

I'm not a Cali boy but I am familiar with their world wide recognized university system. Not to get into too much detail but when designed there were 3 components: UC system (The top system for grad level research), The State system (teachers and such), and finally community college system (which would funnel students to the UC and State system). For the same reason that all of the Big Ten school and Pac 12 schools are MAJOR research schools if "New California" were to dump a whole bunch of money into a school it would make sense to me if they use one of the current UC schools which already has the infrastructure to do massive amounts of research, I mean... why reinvent the wheel.

"New California" would encompass 4 of the present 10 UC University systems.
UC Irvine (Orange County)
UC Merced (Merced County)
UC Riverside (Riverside County)
UC San Diego (San Diego County)

I don't know enough about California to know which of those schools are the most attractive for flagship or if they'll choose the New York style of not naming a flagship (huge mistake) but I think they'll have to attract attention to at least one of their schools athletically if they are to get out of the shadow of "old" California.

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West Virginia says, "Hold my beer"

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(01-17-2018 06:13 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 06:09 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 07:17 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...036681001/

They are trying to take the route West Virginia took to get away from Virginia during the civil war so it's a long shot but newsworthy. The bulk of the land area of the state wants to get away from the coast (Bay area to LA). The irony to me is that after Trump was elected, I saw lots of Californian's that wanted to secede from the US...

Anyway, seeing as how most of the universities in Cali are in the coastal counties that would remain California I don't see how this affects my beloved college football picture with one exception.

I'm not a Cali boy but I am familiar with their world wide recognized university system. Not to get into too much detail but when designed there were 3 components: UC system (The top system for grad level research), The State system (teachers and such), and finally community college system (which would funnel students to the UC and State system). For the same reason that all of the Big Ten school and Pac 12 schools are MAJOR research schools if "New California" were to dump a whole bunch of money into a school it would make sense to me if they use one of the current UC schools which already has the infrastructure to do massive amounts of research, I mean... why reinvent the wheel.

"New California" would encompass 4 of the present 10 UC University systems.
UC Irvine (Orange County)
UC Merced (Merced County)
UC Riverside (Riverside County)
UC San Diego (San Diego County)

I don't know enough about California to know which of those schools are the most attractive for flagship or if they'll choose the New York style of not naming a flagship (huge mistake) but I think they'll have to attract attention to at least one of their schools athletically if they are to get out of the shadow of "old" California.

You cannot secede from the US or from any US state.

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West Virginia says, "Hold my beer"

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Cool, all you need is a civil war

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(01-16-2018 07:36 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  West Virginia would never have been able to leave Virginia without a questionable wartime rump Virginia legislature to assist. These counties will have no such 'assist' and are going nowhere. It is more likely for California to secede from the union than it is for these counties to convince California to cut them loose.

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What a GLORIOUS day it would be if CA became the Socialist Republic of California. The democrat party would have to pay attention to the rest of America without CA's 55 electoral votes in the bank ever presidential election.

Let Freedom Ring.

As for the original question - I would think UC-San Diego would become the 'flagship' UC school for New California, in the unlikely event that a split actually happens. UC-San Diego has the largest endowment of the schools in the area (only UCLA and Berkeley are higher)

UC Davis has the next largest endowment, and has more students than UC-San Diego, but I can't quite tell from the map which state it would be in. I don't know California very well but according to the OP it would still be in "Old California"

I'm not really sold on New California being able to be one state though. I'm not sure northern "New Californians" would want their state flagship at the southern extreme of the state. I would probably split it into two, having a North California and South California, while leaving the coast as just "California". I have no idea which of the UC schools could be a 'flagship' for North California though, unless they can get Davis.

San Diego State and Fresno State would be the only FBS schools in the state. Fresno would be a more ideal location as the flagship for the state schools, but again San Diego State has the better endowment/facilities/enrollment and would likely be the leading candidate, assuming they made one into a flagship.

If it was all up to me, I'd probably make UC-San Diego into the University of New California (UNC), and Fresno State into New Cal State University. UNC would then start football at the FBS level, having setup rivalries with San Diego State and New Cal state. San Diego State and New Cal State would then lobby hard for the MWC to drop San Jose State and pick up UNC instead. Maybe one of San Diego/Fresno is named New Cal Tech instead, so all three can be flagships.