(01-16-2018 12:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The solution is single payer.

lol, no.

(01-16-2018 11:40 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:27 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. Again, I have no insurance available to my local public cancer hospital under the private healthcare system.

Can you get into your local reading annex? He said "Access" and "Cost" not quality. And you are cherry picking one hospital... Are there no other hospitals around you with oncologist?

He's talking about MD Anderson, and to be fair, he's correct.

Under obamacare, none of the marketplace plans are accepted at MD Anderson. Before obamacare, all the private PPO plans offered in the state were accepted. See if you can locate the problem.

I know what he was talking about, my question is.... Are there other hospitals that are available or is he just picking a very edge case to try and build a narrative around.

(01-16-2018 12:12 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:40 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:27 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. Again, I have no insurance available to my local public cancer hospital under the private healthcare system.

Can you get into your local reading annex? He said "Access" and "Cost" not quality. And you are cherry picking one hospital... Are there no other hospitals around you with oncologist?

He's talking about MD Anderson, and to be fair, he's correct.

Under obamacare, none of the marketplace plans are accepted at MD Anderson. Before obamacare, all the private PPO plans offered in the state were accepted. See if you can locate the problem.

I know what he was talking about, my question is.... Are there other hospitals that are available or is he just picking a very edge case to try and build a narrative around.

There are plenty of other hospitals around, many of them good. MD Anderson, however, is the best in the world. That's why people from around the world come there-to come to our private health care system instead of their countrie's single payer system.

(01-16-2018 12:12 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:40 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:27 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. Again, I have no insurance available to my local public cancer hospital under the private healthcare system.

Can you get into your local reading annex? He said "Access" and "Cost" not quality. And you are cherry picking one hospital... Are there no other hospitals around you with oncologist?

He's talking about MD Anderson, and to be fair, he's correct.

Under obamacare, none of the marketplace plans are accepted at MD Anderson. Before obamacare, all the private PPO plans offered in the state were accepted. See if you can locate the problem.

I know what he was talking about, my question is.... Are there other hospitals that are available or is he just picking a very edge case to try and build a narrative around.

Cancer care isn't something that you can just pick up from any clinic on the corner. It is definitively better at MD Anderson. Better doctors doing better research and better treatments.

He's right that Houstonians shouldn't be excluded. He just refuses to admit the obvious problem.

Just people I heard about when I lived in Houston, who came to Houston hospitals:
President of Poland
President of Nicaragua
King of Spain
President of Turkey
President of Russia consulted with Houston doctors

None of them went to Holland or France or to their local doctors. They came to the US of A.

(01-16-2018 12:37 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/loca...74983.html

Quote:An Army veteran had been living with a scalpel in his abdomen that was used during surgery four years ago at the VA Hospital in West Haven, Connecticut, according to the man's attorney.

Glenford Turner filed a malpractice lawsuit against the United States on Friday after an X-ray revealed a scalpel in his abdomen.

The 61-year-old Iraq war veteran, who lives in Bridgeport, was suffering from dizziness and abdominal pains, according to Faxon Law Group, the group that filed the malpractice lawsuit.

"Any one of those organs could have been pierced by this and he could have been killed," attorney Joel Faxon told NBC Connecticut.


Turner went to the West Haven campus of the VA Connecticut Healthcare System on March 29, 2017, for an MRI, but his pain got worse and the process was abruptly stopped, according to Faxon Law Group.

X-rays revealed that a scalpel had been left inside the veteran’s body near his stomach and intestines. Doctors determined it was left from a prostate cancer procedure performed on Aug. 30, 2013, at the West Haven VA, according to Faxon Law Group.

Quote:In April 2017, Turner went through surgery to remove the scalpel. Faxon said a few months later in June, he filed a claim on Turner's behalf with the West Haven VA under the Federal Torts Claims Act but the issue was not resolved, which is why they filed the federal lawsuit last week.

The lawyer calls it "an incomprehensible level of incompetence."

What on earth does this have to do with socialized medicine?

(01-16-2018 12:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  Just people I heard about when I lived in Houston, who came to Houston hospitals:
President of Poland
President of Nicaragua
King of Spain
President of Turkey
President of Russia consulted with Houston doctors

None of them went to Holland or France or to their local doctors. They came to the US of A.

All while the taxpayers of Texas pay for that hospital to be built and operated, and to fund research, for which the persons who OWN the hospital are effectively barred from accessing it. Quite frankly, I see no benefit to the taxpayers from even having it here.

(01-16-2018 12:19 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 12:12 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:40 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:27 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. Again, I have no insurance available to my local public cancer hospital under the private healthcare system.

Can you get into your local reading annex? He said "Access" and "Cost" not quality. And you are cherry picking one hospital... Are there no other hospitals around you with oncologist?

He's talking about MD Anderson, and to be fair, he's correct.

Under obamacare, none of the marketplace plans are accepted at MD Anderson. Before obamacare, all the private PPO plans offered in the state were accepted. See if you can locate the problem.

I know what he was talking about, my question is.... Are there other hospitals that are available or is he just picking a very edge case to try and build a narrative around.

Cancer care isn't something that you can just pick up from any clinic on the corner. It is definitively better at MD Anderson. Better doctors doing better research and better treatments.

He's right that Houstonians shouldn't be excluded. He just refuses to admit the obvious problem.

The problem is the marketing decision of MD Anderson to refuse to provide care to all at the same price. And to negotiate with insurance carriers equally.

(01-16-2018 12:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 12:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  Just people I heard about when I lived in Houston, who came to Houston hospitals:
President of Poland
President of Nicaragua
King of Spain
President of Turkey
President of Russia consulted with Houston doctors

None of them went to Holland or France or to their local doctors. They came to the US of A.

All while the taxpayers of Texas pay for that hospital to be built and operated, and to fund research, for which the persons who OWN the hospital are effectively barred from accessing it. Quite frankly, I see no benefit to the taxpayers from even having it here.

Plenty of Texans do get care there. And plenty of those doctors get trained and end up providing care in other parts of the state. Basically you are saying because you have a plan that doesn't include it you don't want anybody to have it. Jealousy is not a good look.

(01-16-2018 12:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 12:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 12:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  Just people I heard about when I lived in Houston, who came to Houston hospitals:
President of Poland
President of Nicaragua
King of Spain
President of Turkey
President of Russia consulted with Houston doctors

None of them went to Holland or France or to their local doctors. They came to the US of A.

All while the taxpayers of Texas pay for that hospital to be built and operated, and to fund research, for which the persons who OWN the hospital are effectively barred from accessing it. Quite frankly, I see no benefit to the taxpayers from even having it here.

Plenty of Texans do get care there. And plenty of those doctors get trained and end up providing care in other parts of the state. Basically you are saying because you have a plan that doesn't include it you don't want anybody to have it. Jealousy is not a good look.

I get the care years later. Too late for me. Why not exempt me from property taxes because I'm barred from access to the benefits paid for by those taxes.

I'm saying because I can't get a plan that covers me AT ANY PRICE. MD Anderson's goal is to put a gun to the head of people and say...."Pay us all of your assets or die". Pay 1000000x the price of someone who works for Shell pays for the same service. That's their business model. And that of Methodist too.

Yes, I think MD Anderson should be shut down. They crowd out other cancer facilities. Meaning that if they weren't around, we'd have a public hospital that didn't discriminate that would get cancer taxpayer research dollars for cutting edge research. Give all the billions in taxpayer funding for research to BCM. Let MD Anderson move to Riyadh, where they can be closer to their patients. Let the Saudis pay for it.

The hospitals want to pit people against each other so they can cherry pick who they serve. And they're a PUBLIC hospital. They shouldn't be doing that.

Single payer solves that problem. Along with a ban on taxpayer funded research going to hospitals that don't serve the public equally. These hospitals would fall in line very quickly. They can't survive without the taxpayer funded research.

Or just put everyone on Medicare. And require any facility or doctor receiving so much as a penny from the taxpayers to be part of it.

You do understand doctors and surgeons contract out with mulitple hospitals and are not only contracted with the VA, unless they choose to be. My father-in-law's oncologist at the VA was also his oncologist at his cancer clinic.

(01-16-2018 12:52 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  You do understand doctors and surgeons contract out with mulitple hospitals and are not only contracted with the VA, unless they choose to be. My father-in-law's oncologist at the VA was also his oncologist at his cancer clinic.

You should let Tom know... He swears that the only place he can see a cancer doctor is one hospital in Alabama.

(01-16-2018 01:46 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 12:52 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  You do understand doctors and surgeons contract out with mulitple hospitals and are not only contracted with the VA, unless they choose to be. My father-in-law's oncologist at the VA was also his oncologist at his cancer clinic.

You should let Tom know... He swears that the only place he can see a cancer doctor is one hospital in Alabama.

Its in Texas. Everyone should be able to access, at either the same price, or the same means based price, care at all public hospitals (public - hospitals supported by taxpayers including research grants).

In Alabama, the problem really is about AIDS care. This is what happens there at a certificate of need government funded hospital.. http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/..._dump.html

In Mississippi, they just passed a law allowing for the legal denial of healthcare to Gay persons and Trans persons.


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The solution is single payer for everyone. And a ban on any taxpayer funding to entities that don't fully participate in the single payer program.

(01-16-2018 01:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The solution is single payer for everyone. And a ban on any taxpayer funding to entities that don't fully participate in the single payer program.

Yes. YES!

I am encouraging all Democrat candidates to immediately call for single payer healthcare and to run their next campaigns on this issue.

You have big ideas on how to fix it, so run on it as your main issue. Don't forget open borders and gun confiscation.

We win big or lose it all; let’s roll them bones.

(01-16-2018 01:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 01:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The solution is single payer for everyone. And a ban on any taxpayer funding to entities that don't fully participate in the single payer program.

Yes. YES!

I am encouraging all Democrat candidates to immediately call for single payer healthcare and to run their next campaigns on this issue.

You have big ideas on how to fix it, so run on it as your main issue. Don't forget open borders and gun confiscation.

We win big or lose it all; let’s roll them bones.

You might be surprised at how ready people are to just put everyone on Medicare.

(01-16-2018 01:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You might be surprised at how ready people are to just put everyone on Medicare.

Then organize them into a voting block, have the Congress pass a law nationalizing all medicine in the USA, and get the President to sign it.

Until then..................

(01-16-2018 02:03 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 01:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You might be surprised at how ready people are to just put everyone on Medicare.

Then organize them into a voting block, have the Congress pass a law nationalizing all medicine in the USA, and get the President to sign it.

Until then..................

Do you support the use of taxpayer dollars to subsidize the provision of health care to Saudis over Americans

(01-16-2018 02:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Do you support the use of taxpayer dollars to subsidize the provision of health care to Saudis over Americans

What??? Are you under some impression the Saudi's aren't paying for their services?

(01-16-2018 02:29 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 02:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Do you support the use of taxpayer dollars to subsidize the provision of health care to Saudis over Americans

What??? Are you under some impression the Saudi's aren't paying for their services?

That hospital was PAID for by the taxpayers. That research was PAID for by the government. Those doctors had their education PAID for by the taxpayers. No, MD Anderson isn't charging them the full cost of their care and even if they are....they certainly aren't refunding that amount back to the taxpayers. They're using that money, used from 'crowding out' the people who paid for their hospital (who aren't getting served because they're letting Saudis take their spot), to pay themselves 8 figure executive bonuses and to pay for marketing campaigns overseas.

(01-16-2018 02:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  That hospital was PAID for by the taxpayers.

You don't have any idea if this is the case.

(01-16-2018 02:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  That research was PAID for by the government.

You don't have any idea if this is the case.

(01-16-2018 02:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Those doctors had their education PAID for by the taxpayers.

You don't have any idea if this is the case.

(01-16-2018 02:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  No, MD Anderson isn't charging them the full cost of their care and even if they are....

You don't have any idea if this is the case.

(01-16-2018 02:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  they certainly aren't refunding that amount back to the taxpayers.

Not how businesses, even non-profits, work, Tom.

(01-16-2018 02:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They're using that money, used from 'crowding out' the people who paid for their hospital (who aren't getting served because they're letting Saudis take their spot),

The idea that there are long lines of Saudis crowding out Americans with health issues is ludicrous. Also, hair-on-fire ridiculous. And a bit tin-foily hatted as well

Let me say it again: I am encouraging all Democrat candidates to immediately call for single payer healthcare and to run their next campaigns on this issue. You have big ideas on how to fix it, so run on it as your main issue.

(01-16-2018 02:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  to pay themselves 8 figure executive bonuses and to pay for marketing campaigns overseas.

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, now we see the foundation of your problem with the American health care system: dirty capitalism!