(01-16-2018 03:45 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. Again, I have no insurance available to my local public cancer hospital under the private healthcare system. The private system has failed.

Once again Tom and his caveats.....

Tom has coverage, just not where and with whom he wants it.

So he ignores that under a public option, he'd still be told where to go and whom to see.

If you make enough money you can have your health insurance and pay the doctor in an executive plan. 24 hour a day service and no wait. They will give you whatever you want.

But it would be guaranteed for life. I'd put up with restrictions for a GUARANTEE. Every October, I dread looking to see if I'm going to have coverage next year. And coverage means "Youre covered, at a fixed cost, for major medical costs". I've figured out that in the event of a total collapse in Texas, I'll have to move to Long Beach, CA (California will have a plan), or even what some people I know have already done...

MOVE TO MEXICO. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Americans who aren't of Mexican heritage are moving to Mexico. You see healthcare is really inexpensive there and you can buy in to the Mexican Medicare system. You use that for your meds. And the cheap (900 bucks a year) Mexican executive plan....covers MD Anderson. But you have to have a Permiso to get it. I know a cancer patient who did just that. He shut down his business, 20 people lost their jobs, and he moved.

Thanks oblundercare.... oh yeah, you voted for it. Elections have consequences.

This is the result of Trump gutting the program, and Texas refusing to make its public hospitals treat its own citizens. I didn't vote for Abbott. Obamacare didn't go far enough. Next time, lets just open up Medicare to everyone. Let people buy in early if they need to. Subsidize it by taking the accrued reserves (based upon years in the private sector) for each person buying into the system and making the insurance companies return that to the government. Make all recipients of taxpayer funding be in the Medicare system. That would include research grants. And that would include admitting rights for doctors wishing to treat patients at facilities paid for by the taxpayers.

(01-16-2018 04:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:45 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Once again Tom and his caveats.....

Tom has coverage, just not where and with whom he wants it.

So he ignores that under a public option, he'd still be told where to go and whom to see.

If you make enough money you can have your health insurance and pay the doctor in an executive plan. 24 hour a day service and no wait. They will give you whatever you want.

But it would be guaranteed for life. I'd put up with restrictions for a GUARANTEE. Every October, I dread looking to see if I'm going to have coverage next year. And coverage means "Youre covered, at a fixed cost, for major medical costs". I've figured out that in the event of a total collapse in Texas, I'll have to move to Long Beach, CA (California will have a plan), or even what some people I know have already done...

MOVE TO MEXICO. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Americans who aren't of Mexican heritage are moving to Mexico. You see healthcare is really inexpensive there and you can buy in to the Mexican Medicare system. You use that for your meds. And the cheap (900 bucks a year) Mexican executive plan....covers MD Anderson. But you have to have a Permiso to get it. I know a cancer patient who did just that. He shut down his business, 20 people lost their jobs, and he moved.

Thanks oblundercare.... oh yeah, you voted for it. Elections have consequences.

This is the result of Trump gutting the program, and Texas refusing to make its public hospitals treat its own citizens. I didn't vote for Abbott. Obamacare didn't go far enough. Next time, lets just open up Medicare to everyone. Let people buy in early if they need to. Subsidize it by taking the accrued reserves (based upon years in the private sector) for each person buying into the system and making the insurance companies return that to the government. Make all recipients of taxpayer funding be in the Medicare system. That would include research grants. And that would include admitting rights for doctors wishing to treat patients at facilities paid for by the taxpayers.

ok, I'll play, how did Trump gut the program?

(01-16-2018 04:10 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:45 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  If you make enough money you can have your health insurance and pay the doctor in an executive plan. 24 hour a day service and no wait. They will give you whatever you want.

But it would be guaranteed for life. I'd put up with restrictions for a GUARANTEE. Every October, I dread looking to see if I'm going to have coverage next year. And coverage means "Youre covered, at a fixed cost, for major medical costs". I've figured out that in the event of a total collapse in Texas, I'll have to move to Long Beach, CA (California will have a plan), or even what some people I know have already done...

MOVE TO MEXICO. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Americans who aren't of Mexican heritage are moving to Mexico. You see healthcare is really inexpensive there and you can buy in to the Mexican Medicare system. You use that for your meds. And the cheap (900 bucks a year) Mexican executive plan....covers MD Anderson. But you have to have a Permiso to get it. I know a cancer patient who did just that. He shut down his business, 20 people lost their jobs, and he moved.

Thanks oblundercare.... oh yeah, you voted for it. Elections have consequences.

This is the result of Trump gutting the program, and Texas refusing to make its public hospitals treat its own citizens. I didn't vote for Abbott. Obamacare didn't go far enough. Next time, lets just open up Medicare to everyone. Let people buy in early if they need to. Subsidize it by taking the accrued reserves (based upon years in the private sector) for each person buying into the system and making the insurance companies return that to the government. Make all recipients of taxpayer funding be in the Medicare system. That would include research grants. And that would include admitting rights for doctors wishing to treat patients at facilities paid for by the taxpayers.

ok, I'll play, how did Trump gut the program?

https://www.politico.com/interactives/20...acare-aca/

(01-16-2018 04:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:10 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:45 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  But it would be guaranteed for life. I'd put up with restrictions for a GUARANTEE. Every October, I dread looking to see if I'm going to have coverage next year. And coverage means "Youre covered, at a fixed cost, for major medical costs". I've figured out that in the event of a total collapse in Texas, I'll have to move to Long Beach, CA (California will have a plan), or even what some people I know have already done...

MOVE TO MEXICO. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Americans who aren't of Mexican heritage are moving to Mexico. You see healthcare is really inexpensive there and you can buy in to the Mexican Medicare system. You use that for your meds. And the cheap (900 bucks a year) Mexican executive plan....covers MD Anderson. But you have to have a Permiso to get it. I know a cancer patient who did just that. He shut down his business, 20 people lost their jobs, and he moved.

Thanks oblundercare.... oh yeah, you voted for it. Elections have consequences.

This is the result of Trump gutting the program, and Texas refusing to make its public hospitals treat its own citizens. I didn't vote for Abbott. Obamacare didn't go far enough. Next time, lets just open up Medicare to everyone. Let people buy in early if they need to. Subsidize it by taking the accrued reserves (based upon years in the private sector) for each person buying into the system and making the insurance companies return that to the government. Make all recipients of taxpayer funding be in the Medicare system. That would include research grants. And that would include admitting rights for doctors wishing to treat patients at facilities paid for by the taxpayers.

ok, I'll play, how did Trump gut the program?

https://www.politico.com/interactives/20...acare-aca/

you said every October you dread about getting insurance and if you will be insured, but Trump has just been the President for one October. Something is missing here...

(01-16-2018 04:18 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:10 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:45 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Thanks oblundercare.... oh yeah, you voted for it. Elections have consequences.

This is the result of Trump gutting the program, and Texas refusing to make its public hospitals treat its own citizens. I didn't vote for Abbott. Obamacare didn't go far enough. Next time, lets just open up Medicare to everyone. Let people buy in early if they need to. Subsidize it by taking the accrued reserves (based upon years in the private sector) for each person buying into the system and making the insurance companies return that to the government. Make all recipients of taxpayer funding be in the Medicare system. That would include research grants. And that would include admitting rights for doctors wishing to treat patients at facilities paid for by the taxpayers.

ok, I'll play, how did Trump gut the program?

https://www.politico.com/interactives/20...acare-aca/

you said every October you dread about getting insurance and if you will be insured, but Trump has just been the President for one October. Something is missing here...

Yea, but at 20 grand a year, I'm not sure what next year will bring. I always look at real estate in Long Beach in October. Have to be ready.

(01-16-2018 04:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:18 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:10 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is the result of Trump gutting the program, and Texas refusing to make its public hospitals treat its own citizens. I didn't vote for Abbott. Obamacare didn't go far enough. Next time, lets just open up Medicare to everyone. Let people buy in early if they need to. Subsidize it by taking the accrued reserves (based upon years in the private sector) for each person buying into the system and making the insurance companies return that to the government. Make all recipients of taxpayer funding be in the Medicare system. That would include research grants. And that would include admitting rights for doctors wishing to treat patients at facilities paid for by the taxpayers.

ok, I'll play, how did Trump gut the program?

https://www.politico.com/interactives/20...acare-aca/

you said every October you dread about getting insurance and if you will be insured, but Trump has just been the President for one October. Something is missing here...

Yea, but at 20 grand a year, I'm not sure what next year will bring. I always look at real estate in Long Beach in October. Have to be ready.

and thats the result of oblundercare... good job voting for him.

(01-16-2018 04:36 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:18 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:10 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  ok, I'll play, how did Trump gut the program?

https://www.politico.com/interactives/20...acare-aca/

you said every October you dread about getting insurance and if you will be insured, but Trump has just been the President for one October. Something is missing here...

Yea, but at 20 grand a year, I'm not sure what next year will bring. I always look at real estate in Long Beach in October. Have to be ready.

and thats the result of oblundercare... good job voting for him.

Obamacare was a good first step. If it had been followed through. But the GOP gutted the program. And most of the healthcare problems I have in Texas are the proximate result of the state of Texas' behavior. I didn't vote for the Republicans.

(01-16-2018 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  But the GOP gutted the program.

Of course the GOP gutted Obamacare. Not one GOP'er voted for it!

(01-16-2018 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Obamacare was a good first step.

No, it wasn't. It violated known laws of economics, on the assumption that the government could compel behavior that was not in people's best interests.

Quote:If it had been followed through. But the GOP gutted the program.

Really? How?

Quote:And most of the healthcare problems I have in Texas are the proximate result of the state of Texas' behavior. I didn't vote for the Republicans.

I don't think that's really the reason for your problems, but go ahead and live in that dream world if you want. What exactly are your health problems that the State of Texas caused?

(01-16-2018 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:36 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:18 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.politico.com/interactives/20...acare-aca/

you said every October you dread about getting insurance and if you will be insured, but Trump has just been the President for one October. Something is missing here...

Yea, but at 20 grand a year, I'm not sure what next year will bring. I always look at real estate in Long Beach in October. Have to be ready.

and thats the result of oblundercare... good job voting for him.

Obamacare was a good first step. If it had been followed through. But the GOP gutted the program. And most of the healthcare problems I have in Texas are the proximate result of the state of Texas' behavior. I didn't vote for the Republicans.

Obamacare was designed to fail and fail big. But you were rooting for that all along since you believe the government owes you free healthcare.

(01-16-2018 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And most of the healthcare problems I have in Texas are the proximate result of the state of Texas' behavior.

Nah, the reason for your healthcare problems are you are already someone who has a serious medical condition who choses to engage in a lifestyle that also carries high medical risks.

(01-16-2018 09:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And most of the healthcare problems I have in Texas are the proximate result of the state of Texas' behavior.

Nah, the reason for your healthcare problems are you are already someone who has a serious medical condition who choses to engage in a lifestyle that also carries high medical risks.

Ok...Yea...getting Diabetes at age 9 (as a thin and reasonably active kid). That's on me. Ok. Then again, in a world where people blame the DACA kids for coming here at age 9, I suppose that's how some people look at the world.

Actually the Gay thing...really doesn't have to be that risky. I'm on PReP simply because its an extra level of protection, to go along with other levels of protection. This way, I don't have to worry about that at least. Makes sense. Why take the risk if there's a pill you can take that keeps you from getting it. Every once in a while, I'll pick up someone at the bar (just like a straight person would). And by once in a while, I mean a couple of times a year.

The reason I can't get access to local public hospitals has everything to do with the failure of the owner of those hospitals, which is the state of Texas, to require them to serve the people of Texas using some sort of equitable formula. Either one price for everyone, or a means based system that is written down. And to negotiate in good faith with all insurance companies. And to have the state demand that insurance companies negotiate in good faith as well.

Obamacare....doesn't control the insurance companies well enough. And it doesn't require the hospitals to do anything. The issue is the state. And having a bunch of national policies that don't cover my local public hospitals isn't going to help either.

Trumpcare is going to be a nightmare. I'm going to have to spend 2000 hours of medical record collection to apply to insurance companies so they can turn me down, then they'll offer me some Trump University style BS plan that doesn't cover anything, and say, see you have insurance.

F-it. Put us all on Medicare.