AP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Villanova (63) 16-1 1,623
2 Virginia (1) 16-1 1,527
3 Purdue (1) 17-2 1,411
4 Oklahoma 14-2 1,371
5 Duke 15-2 1,319
6 West Virginia 15-2 1,304
7 Wichita State 15-2 1,283
8 Texas Tech 15-2 1,276
9 Michigan State 16-3 1,062
10 Kansas 14-3 1,032
11 ......... 16-3 928
12 Cincinnati 15-2 858
13 Gonzaga 16-3 829
14 Arizona 14-4 723
15 North Carolina 14-4 666
16 Arizona State 14-3 639
17 Auburn 16-1 523
18 Kentucky 14-3 487
19 Seton Hall 15-3 455
20 Clemson 15-2 444
21 Tennessee 12-4 358
22 Ohio State 15-4 276
23 Michigan 15-4 233
24 TCU 13-4 196
25 Miami 13-3 143

Others receiving votes: Creighton 56, Rhode Island 39, Florida State 25, Nevada 23, Saint Mary's 19, New Mexico State 4, Louisville 2, Florida 1



USA Today Coaches Poll
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Villanova (31) 16-1 798
2 Virginia 16-1 757
3 Purdue (1) 17-2 678
4 Wichita State 15-2 664
5 Duke 15-2 638
6 Oklahoma 14-2 632
7 West Virginia 15-2 624
8 Texas Tech 15-2 607
9 Michigan State 16-3 513
10 Kansas 14-3 501
11 Cincinnati 15-2 446
12 ........ 16-3 442
13 Gonzaga 16-3 414
14 North Carolina 14-4 298
14 Arizona State 14-3 298
16 Kentucky 14-3 272
17 Arizona 14-4 271
18 Clemson 15-2 242
19 Seton Hall 15-3 239
20 Auburn 16-1 213
21 Tennessee 12-4 187
22 Ohio State 15-4 109
23 Miami 13-3 108
24 Michigan 15-4 107
25 TCU 13-4 103

Others receiving votes: Creighton 77, Saint Mary's 43, Florida State 34, Nevada 23, Notre Dame 18, Rhode Island 16, Boise State 7, UCLA 5, Florida 5, Baylor 4, New Mexico State 2, Oklahoma State 2, Middle Tennessee 2, Louisiana 1



AP by voter for UC:
http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball...rcats/2017

7
Chris Dachille

9
Jesse NewellZach Osterman

10
Chris MurrayDave MatterElton AlexanderJohn FeinsteinJon WilnerJustin JacksonPaul KleeRick BozichTony Parks

11
Andrew LopezAntonio MoralesDoug DoughtyGary D'AmatoJohn McNamaraMatt McCoySheldon MicklesTerry HutchensTerry Toohey

12
Bob HoltBrant WilkersonJerry CarinoJoe JulianoJoe RexrodeKevin BrockwayLauren BrownlowRichard CroomeScott GleesonShannon RyanTyson Alger

13
Brian McInnisCecil HurtCraig MeyerGeoff GrammerJohn BohnenkampJon RothsteinMarcus FullerMatt VautourNorm WoodScott RicheyTheo Lawson

14
Carlos SilvaDavid CobbDick VitaleJason ButtJoey KnightKevin LyttleScott ManschScott Wolf

15
B.J. RainsDave BorgesJ.P. ButlerJustin FergusonLuke DeCockMark BermanThuc Nhi Nguyen

16
Jon Nyatawa

17
David CloningerKevin McNamara

18
Mark CooperSeth Davis

19
Doug Haller

21
Graham Couch

I like that we jumped X in the coaches poll....

#8 Kenpom

(01-15-2018 12:52 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  I like that we jumped X in the coaches poll....

We jumped "--------". Great!

(01-15-2018 12:59 PM)payday Wrote:  #8 Kenpom

Monday morning metrics:

6 BPI
8 Kenpom
10 Sagarin
11 Coaches Poll
12 AP Poll
37 RPI

Our whipping boys this week are UCF tomorrow and ECU on Saturday. UCF could be a bit of a trap, based on our sluggish start against USF. As long as we put UCF and ECU in their place (under our heel), we could find ourselves in the top 10 again in both polls.

(01-15-2018 02:07 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  Our whipping boys this week are UCF tomorrow and ECU on Saturday. UCF could be a bit of a trap, based on our sluggish start against USF. As long as we put UCF and ECU in their place (under our heel), we could find ourselves in the top 10 again in both polls.

I'd say UCF is more than a trap. We struggled badly against them last year. Tacko really bothered Gary and Kyle.

Just run him off the floor

(01-15-2018 02:16 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 02:07 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  Our whipping boys this week are UCF tomorrow and ECU on Saturday. UCF could be a bit of a trap, based on our sluggish start against USF. As long as we put UCF and ECU in their place (under our heel), we could find ourselves in the top 10 again in both polls.

I'd say UCF is more than a trap. We struggled badly against them last year. Tacko really bothered Gary and Kyle.

I agree. I'm most afraid that we try to churn out a classic game of "Mickball" by moving slow, giving Tacko ample time to get in position and totally negate Clark and Washington. We need to run and let Tacko eat our dust IMO.

A TRAP GAME?? Between USF and ECU???

(01-15-2018 02:33 PM)Ring of Black Wrote:  A TRAP GAME?? Between USF and ECU???

Agree... not sure he understands what a trap game means. If there was a trap gsme, It would have been USF.

(01-15-2018 02:25 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 02:16 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 02:07 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  Our whipping boys this week are UCF tomorrow and ECU on Saturday. UCF could be a bit of a trap, based on our sluggish start against USF. As long as we put UCF and ECU in their place (under our heel), we could find ourselves in the top 10 again in both polls.

I'd say UCF is more than a trap. We struggled badly against them last year. Tacko really bothered Gary and Kyle.

I agree. I'm most afraid that we try to churn out a classic game of "Mickball" by moving slow, giving Tacko ample time to get in position and totally negate Clark and Washington. We need to run and let Tacko eat our dust IMO.

If that happens, then either Mick came up with a bad game plan or our players failed to execute the game plan. I'm hopeful that we know better by now.

(01-15-2018 02:07 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  Our whipping boys this week are UCF tomorrow and ECU on Saturday. UCF could be a bit of a trap, based on our sluggish start against USF. As long as we put UCF and ECU in their place (under our heel), we could find ourselves in the top 10 again in both polls.

I like the short turnaround in this case; a week off and UC appeared sluggish the first ten minutes in Tampa. If Cumberland can keep dropping those threes the way he did against USF and UC pushes the pace I don't really think they'll lose to UCF. And that's no disrespect to the Knights. But by all metrics UC should still be a far better team.

(01-15-2018 02:33 PM)Ring of Black Wrote:  A TRAP GAME?? Between USF and ECU???

My assertion that UCF is a trap game relies on 2 assumptions. Please tell me with which you disagree:

1. Definition of a trap game (UrbanDictionary): A trap game is a game played against an opponent generally deemed to be easy to defeat. As a result a person or team may not prepare as thoroughly as they would for a formidable opponent. Often this attitude and its attendant lack of preparation lead to a loss.

2. While we should definitely beat UCF on paper, we could definitely lose if we come out flat, or if we play slow and Tacko creates a bad match up.

Based on the definition of a trap game and my analysis of the match up, this could certainly be seen as a trap game. Considering that several other posters have expressed concern about needing to move quickly to counter Tacko, I don't think point #2 is unreasonable.

I always make fun of ohio state as being so lame for their nerdy emphasized refusal to say Michigan. hoping this isn't a trend.

This really pulls the whole room together.

Quote:11 Cincinnati 15-2 446
12 ........ 16-3 442
13 Gonzaga 16-3 414
14 North Carolina 14-4 298
14 Arizona State 14-3 298
16 Kentucky 14-3 272

Taylor is questionable to return tomorrow after missing two months. If he can go (and be at all productive) then it should go to the wire.

(01-15-2018 03:36 PM)dave416 Wrote:  Taylor is questionable to return tomorrow after missing two months. If he can go (and be at all productive) then it should go to the wire.

It wouldn't be unlike the Bearcats' fortunes to have a guy return from a two month layoff and drop 30 on us. But it's at least improbable. UCF is a much better team than USF but it became clear as Saturday's game rolled on that those bench minutes UC piled up in the first half helped our starters run away with the game in the second.

(01-15-2018 02:43 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 02:25 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 02:16 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 02:07 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  Our whipping boys this week are UCF tomorrow and ECU on Saturday. UCF could be a bit of a trap, based on our sluggish start against USF. As long as we put UCF and ECU in their place (under our heel), we could find ourselves in the top 10 again in both polls.

I'd say UCF is more than a trap. We struggled badly against them last year. Tacko really bothered Gary and Kyle.

I agree. I'm most afraid that we try to churn out a classic game of "Mickball" by moving slow, giving Tacko ample time to get in position and totally negate Clark and Washington. We need to run and let Tacko eat our dust IMO.

If that happens, then either Mick came up with a bad game plan or our players failed to execute the game plan. I'm hopeful that we know better by now.

Our best offense is a good defense. Get stops and clean up on the defensive boards and get out in transition. We can out run taco on the break. Need to unleash JE3 and Cumberland. Both those guys should go for 20 pts if we can run