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RE: The year college football died due to realignment?
The expansion of the playoffs is going to affect conferences in a big way in the future. And yes the playoffs will expand because of all the money to be made.
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I've been a fan of college football since a time when games on TV were rare, they were all in black and white, and all players played on both offense and defense. Now, 60 years later, I'd say college football has never been better than it is today.

Back then, nobody was talking about "major" and "minor" programs and conferences. But the number of schools who were legitimate contenders was pretty small. Schools like Alabama could keep competitors from getting better by giving scholarships to everybody in sight, then burying them deep on the bench so they couldn't play for somebody else.

Does ESPN deserve all the credit for the strides we have made since those days? Not all of it, but surely a lot of it.
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RE: The year college football died due to realignment?
Meh, the moves have largely been to the benefit of more schools than they’ve hurt
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RE: The year college football died due to realignment?
(01-14-2018 04:02 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  ESPN has way too much power and control of college football. Hopefully this will change.


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(01-14-2018 08:11 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 04:02 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  ESPN has way too much power and control of college football. Hopefully this will change.


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Ditto.

The ACC benefited greatly from these changes 04-cheers
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RE: The year college football died due to realignment?
All one has to do is pick up a World Almanac from the 80's or 90's to see that independents were categorized by region not major or mid-major. Look at the schedules: big-time programs were still getting 2-for-1's with the USM's and ECU's of the world. The reason things shifted was the influx of marginal 1-AA programs moving into the 1-A ranks. There just weren't that many independents circa 1985 because the NCAA actually enforced the attendance rule and even Cincinnati was classified as 1-AA one year.
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(01-14-2018 07:17 PM)ken d Wrote:  I've been a fan of college football since a time when games on TV were rare, they were all in black and white, and all players played on both offense and defense. Now, 60 years later, I'd say college football has never been better than it is today.

Back then, nobody was talking about "major" and "minor" programs and conferences. But the number of schools who were legitimate contenders was pretty small. Schools like Alabama could keep competitors from getting better by giving scholarships to everybody in sight, then burying them deep on the bench so they couldn't play for somebody else.

Does ESPN deserve all the credit for the strides we have made since those days? Not all of it, but surely a lot of it.

Black and white tv, what does that mean ?
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(01-14-2018 04:15 PM)leofrog Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 04:07 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 04:02 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  ESPN has way too much power and control of college football. Hopefully this will change.


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I look forward to the day when ESPN dies. The evil empire had destroyed the sport. So proud I don't pay anything to contribute to their walmarization of college athletics
Personally, as a fan of TCU, I liked what happened in the mid 90s with the SWC breaking up. It made the administration evaluate the future of athletics, and they stepped up. The built a plan that was bought into by the Alumni and supporters. When others were getting elevated based on other criteria (I.e. Cindy and USF to the Big East based on geography), TCU was still forging ahead. It was a long 16 or so year wait, but it made the ride that much better. Also, we were in an era where we had to earn berths in BCS games, and not just given a spot based on being the best of the rest. That’s why I have an interest on schools like Utah and Boise St, because they earned what they got.

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RE: The year college football died due to realignment?
(01-14-2018 04:05 PM)leofrog Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 04:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Before college football died it looked like this:
Big 10-upper Midwest majors
Big 8-lower Midwest majors
SWC-Texas & Arkansas majors
PAC-West Coast majors
SEC-Southeastern majors
ACC-Atlantic Coast majors
WAC-Mountain West/West Coast majors
MAC-Uppermidwestern schools; not major but respected as a long standing group
Big West: West Coast schools not big enough for PAC or WAC
Major Indys: ND, FSU, Penn St, Miami, SC, ECU, USM, etc

Agree with the setup, just saying ECU, USM, Memphis, and Louisville were nowhere near Miami, Notre Dame, Penn St and Florida St.

Also, the WAC, MAC, and Big West were not major conferences.

The WAC was viewed pretty much on the same level as the ACC for football up until FSU joined. The "Power" schools were the 63 in the CFA TV alliance + the Pac 10 and Big 10. In other words, about everyone in I-A except for the MAC and Big West and a handful of indies. When they re-worked the structure, the current P5, CUSA, WAC and Big East all got the same vote. The Big West and MAC each got half the voting rights of the 8 other conferences. They had a term for those 8 conferences similar to the current "contract conferences." Think it was "equity conference."
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RE: The year college football died due to realignment?
(01-14-2018 07:17 PM)ken d Wrote:  I've been a fan of college football since a time when games on TV were rare, they were all in black and white, and all players played on both offense and defense. Now, 60 years later, I'd say college football has never been better than it is today.

Back then, nobody was talking about "major" and "minor" programs and conferences. But the number of schools who were legitimate contenders was pretty small. Schools like Alabama could keep competitors from getting better by giving scholarships to everybody in sight, then burying them deep on the bench so they couldn't play for somebody else.

Does ESPN deserve all the credit for the strides we have made since those days? Not all of it, but surely a lot of it.

I'm not quite at 60 years but I remember only two games being on most Saturday's. If you lived in Central Arkansas that meant a SWC game in the morning followed by an ABC game of the week which was generally a SWC or Big 8 game. Big 10 you saw Ohio State vs. Michigan and not much else. SEC generally Bama-Tenn or the Iron Bowl and not much else. Pac-8 you saw USC-UCLA, independents you saw Penn St and Pitt. If you lived in eastern Arkansas and could pick up Memphis TV you could see an SEC game and an ABC game that was generally SEC or SWC or Big 8. If you lived close enough to Jonesboro you could get the SWC morning game on Jonesboro TV and SEC on Memphis.

Later with WTBS we could get a night game!

After the ABC game you had the Prudential scoreboard show that would have highlights from the ABC regional games you didn't see and sometimes ABC would send a cameraman to someone like ECU that was ranked or a game with a ranked big conference team that wasn't on TV and send a few highlights in.

When ABC sent a crew to film highlights of an Arkansas State game in 1975 it got mentioned by the Jonesboro Sun, Arkansas Gazette, Arkansas Democrat, Memphis Commercial-Appeal, and Memphis Press-Scimitar just getting highlights on national TV was news.

Bowl games? Not only were there fewer bowl games but in most markets you couldn't even watch all of the few that existed. If a bowl was on the Mizlou Network it was the whims of the local station managers to determine if you would get to see it.

If you were the fan of a MAC team living in LA you'd never see your team on TV. If you were a Pac-8 fan living on the east coast and your team wasn't USC or UCLA you might see them every few years and even then maybe only in a bowl game.

Today, outside of a smattering of games on conference subscription only websites and Pac-12 Network games, I can watch every FBS team play and if the mood were to strike a good number of FCS and Division II schools.

In 2016 Western Michigan as undefeated MAC champion could go play #8 Wisconisin in the Cotton Bowl in 1986 if they had done that they would have played San Jose State in Fresno in the California Bowl.

In 1968 and 1969 the WAC champion couldn't land a bowl bid.

In 1980 five I-A conference champs didn't play in a bowl (MAC - Central Michigan, PCAA/Big West - Long Beach State, MoValley - Tulsa, Southern - Furman, and of course Ivy - Yale). A total of 8 schools that weren't on probation and weren't in the Ivy didn't make a bowl with 8 or 9 wins.

No way I'd turn the clock back.
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(01-14-2018 11:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 07:17 PM)ken d Wrote:  I've been a fan of college football since a time when games on TV were rare, they were all in black and white, and all players played on both offense and defense. Now, 60 years later, I'd say college football has never been better than it is today.

Back then, nobody was talking about "major" and "minor" programs and conferences. But the number of schools who were legitimate contenders was pretty small. Schools like Alabama could keep competitors from getting better by giving scholarships to everybody in sight, then burying them deep on the bench so they couldn't play for somebody else.

Does ESPN deserve all the credit for the strides we have made since those days? Not all of it, but surely a lot of it.

I'm not quite at 60 years but I remember only two games being on most Saturday's. If you lived in Central Arkansas that meant a SWC game in the morning followed by an ABC game of the week which was generally a SWC or Big 8 game. Big 10 you saw Ohio State vs. Michigan and not much else. SEC generally Bama-Tenn or the Iron Bowl and not much else. Pac-8 you saw USC-UCLA, independents you saw Penn St and Pitt. If you lived in eastern Arkansas and could pick up Memphis TV you could see an SEC game and an ABC game that was generally SEC or SWC or Big 8. If you lived close enough to Jonesboro you could get the SWC morning game on Jonesboro TV and SEC on Memphis.

Later with WTBS we could get a night game!

After the ABC game you had the Prudential scoreboard show that would have highlights from the ABC regional games you didn't see and sometimes ABC would send a cameraman to someone like ECU that was ranked or a game with a ranked big conference team that wasn't on TV and send a few highlights in.

When ABC sent a crew to film highlights of an Arkansas State game in 1975 it got mentioned by the Jonesboro Sun, Arkansas Gazette, Arkansas Democrat, Memphis Commercial-Appeal, and Memphis Press-Scimitar just getting highlights on national TV was news.

Bowl games? Not only were there fewer bowl games but in most markets you couldn't even watch all of the few that existed. If a bowl was on the Mizlou Network it was the whims of the local station managers to determine if you would get to see it.

If you were the fan of a MAC team living in LA you'd never see your team on TV. If you were a Pac-8 fan living on the east coast and your team wasn't USC or UCLA you might see them every few years and even then maybe only in a bowl game.

Today, outside of a smattering of games on conference subscription only websites and Pac-12 Network games, I can watch every FBS team play and if the mood were to strike a good number of FCS and Division II schools.

In 2016 Western Michigan as undefeated MAC champion could go play #8 Wisconisin in the Cotton Bowl in 1986 if they had done that they would have played San Jose State in Fresno in the California Bowl.

In 1968 and 1969 the WAC champion couldn't land a bowl bid.

In 1980 five I-A conference champs didn't play in a bowl (MAC - Central Michigan, PCAA/Big West - Long Beach State, MoValley - Tulsa, Southern - Furman, and of course Ivy - Yale). A total of 8 schools that weren't on probation and weren't in the Ivy didn't make a bowl with 8 or 9 wins.

No way I'd turn the clock back.

Ten years ago, Missouri at Ole Miss game wasn't even on television.
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(01-14-2018 03:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The college football I grew up with has been dead for almost 3 decades. Rutgers to the Big 10? Yuck. But it didn't start with the horrific decision of the big 10 adding low minor Rutgers. That was the end. The beginning was around 1990. The dominoes:

-Big East started football and ESPN said they were a "major conference"
-Florida St joined ACC and ESPN and called the ACC a "major conference"
-Penn St joined the Big 10 making them a ridiculous big 11.
-SWC announced they were disbanding a few years later.
-WAC was deemed officially a "minor conference" by ESPN. (BYU, Utah, TCU, Rice, SMU, SDSU, Air Force etc)
-CUSA formed and majors ECU, Houston, Louisville, Memphis, USM were deemed "minor" by ESPN.

Died?

I think the $$ and ratings would tend to argue the exact opposite.
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(01-14-2018 11:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  In 1980 five I-A conference champs didn't play in a bowl (MAC - Central Michigan, PCAA/Big West - Long Beach State, MoValley - Tulsa, Southern - Furman, and of course Ivy - Yale). A total of 8 schools that weren't on probation and weren't in the Ivy didn't make a bowl with 8 or 9 wins.

No way I'd turn the clock back.

Yes, for G5 schools, things have never been better in any way. They make more money, have more bowl opportunities, and get more TV exposure than ever.
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I think college football is on the right path, but I hope the bowl games will lose their luster, die, and be replaced with a real playoff.

Also, the video game needs to make a comeback, lol.
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College football faced a simple but ominous question - evolve or die? Had they not chose to evolve thousands of Olympic programs would have died, the P5 would look like the G5 and the G5 would look like DII.
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(01-14-2018 07:53 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Meh, the moves have largely been to the benefit of more schools than they’ve hurt

Lol? What does that even mean?
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(01-14-2018 04:07 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 04:02 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  ESPN has way too much power and control of college football. Hopefully this will change.


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I look forward to the day when ESPN dies. The evil empire had destroyed the sport. So proud I don't pay anything to contribute to their walmarization of college athletics

It's not all on ESPN for it. You have a bunch of school presidents who should know better, too. Believe me, it looks far worse for the school than the networks when college sports looks so polished, invested, and 24/7. Oh, but the kids? Yeah, they don't make a dime. And in football and basketball, they're hardly even students. That mirror reflects "old state" and not the mouse ears.

In fact, what ESPN has on CFB, CBS has on MBB. The constant isn't a network.
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(01-15-2018 08:53 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I think college football is on the right path, but I hope the bowl games will lose their luster, die, and be replaced with a real playoff.

Also, the video game needs to make a comeback, lol.

I hope that the bowls eventually drop conference affiliations and just reorganize into regional invitationals. Each invitational could then invite the schools that they think will maximize attendance and viewership.

It could look like this:

The CFP
Quarterfinals: Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Cotton Bowl
Semifinals: Peach Bowl, Rose Bowl
Final: NC

Gulf Coast Invitational
Quarterfinals: New Orleans Bowl, Mobile Bowl, Boca Raton Bowl, Gasparilla Bowl (St Petersburg)
Semifinals: Texas Bowl, Bahamas Bowl
Final: Outback Bowl (Tampa)

Desert Sun Invitational
Quarterfinals: Cactus Bowl (Phoenix), Arizona Bowl, New Mexico Bowl, Las Vegas Bowl
Semifinals: Alamo Bowl (San Antonio), Sun Bowl (El Paso)
Final: Holiday Bowl (San Diego)

ETC ETC ETC.......
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(01-14-2018 04:05 PM)leofrog Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 04:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Before college football died it looked like this:
Big 10-upper Midwest majors
Big 8-lower Midwest majors
SWC-Texas & Arkansas majors
PAC-West Coast majors
SEC-Southeastern majors
ACC-Atlantic Coast majors
WAC-Mountain West/West Coast majors
MAC-Uppermidwestern schools; not major but respected as a long standing group
Big West: West Coast schools not big enough for PAC or WAC
Major Indys: ND, FSU, Penn St, Miami, SC, ECU, USM, etc

Agree with the setup, just saying ECU, USM, Memphis, and Louisville were nowhere near Miami, Notre Dame, Penn St and Florida St.

Also, the WAC, MAC, and Big West were not major conferences.

Actually, you are 2/3’rds right, MAC and Big West weren’t major conferences when I was growing up.
The WAC was a major conference until 1998 when ESPN cut them out of the BCS. They were a part of the precursors to the BCS., the Bowl alliance and bowl coalition. The 16 team Line up of 96-98 is what I always assumed got them demoted.
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(01-14-2018 08:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  All one has to do is pick up a World Almanac from the 80's or 90's to see that independents were categorized by region not major or mid-major. Look at the schedules: big-time programs were still getting 2-for-1's with the USM's and ECU's of the world. The reason things shifted was the influx of marginal 1-AA programs moving into the 1-A ranks. There just weren't that many independents circa 1985 because the NCAA actually enforced the attendance rule and even Cincinnati was classified as 1-AA one year.

The attendance rule needs to be enforced again but it will not happen. No offense to these schools but if you can not average over 25,000 a game, you should not be FBS.
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