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RE: Superconference Scenarios
(02-14-2018 12:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 09:26 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 06:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule?

Notre Dame could be eligible for the ACC tournament (and thus, ultimately the CFP) by winning its division (based on divisional record) - and not eligible for the ACC tournament wild card bid. The ACC divisions would rotate somewhat to accommodate Notre Dame's future ACC opponents. With the divisional rotations, you might actually create more opportunities for certain ACC teams to play each other more often than the status quo.

Something like this:

ACC
2021:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Florida St., North Carolina, at Virginia, Georgia Tech
ATLANTIC: Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Louisville
COASTAL: Virginia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Duke, Syracuse
(The Irish also play at Virginia Tech in '21)
*If desired, Florida St. plays Atlantic schools in its cross-division games and UNC, UVA, and GT play mostly Coastal schools in their cross-division games.

2022:
NORTH: Notre Dame, Boston College, Clemson, at North Carolina, at Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Georgia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: Duke, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
(Only the 4 divisional games scheduled in '22)
*If desired, North Carolina and Georgia Tech play Coastal schools in their cross-division games and BC, Cuse, and Clemson play mostly Atlantic schools in their cross-division games.

2023:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Duke, at NC State, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Boston College, Syracuse, Louisville
COASTAL: Miami, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Clemson and at Louisville in '23)

2024:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Georgia Tech, Virginia, Florida St., Miami
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Boston College, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
(Only the 4 divisional games in '24)

2025:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Boston College, at Miami, NC State, Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Pitt
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Pitt in '25)

So, despite playing in Notre Dame's division twice in five years, North Carolina would still play a mostly Coastal schedule and Florida St. would still play a mostly Atlantic schedule each year.

First, this wouldn't happen before 2025. Second, I can't imagine any of the ACC football schools would want this. Random divisions are not practical or desirable. Third, I'm sure everyone would rapidly tire of catering to ND's every whim, if they haven't already.

As I said up thread, ND does not want this.

Therefore, it is not a "whim" of the Irish, but rather message board fanboy fantasy.

Name me some other alleged "whims", please, other than wanting to keep football out of any damn conference.

If that hypothetical scenario were to take place, presumably ND would have had to agree on it. I think you're right in that they wouldn't actually agree.

Setting aside hypotheticals, ND is a "special snowflake" that wants the benefits of being in a conference without having to fully contribute to the conference. That the ACC agreed to such a one-sided deal with ND in 2013 speaks to the conference's desperation at the time.

If ND really wanted to keep football completely out of a conference, they wouldn't have agreed to the 5-game ACC schedule. They're over halfway in already, so they've conceded that full independence isn't feasible. They'll end up as a full football-playing member of a conference sooner or later, even if it's not the ACC.

Since you consider yourself above your fellow "message board fanboys," it may behoove you to avoid paying any attention to realignment scenarios, especially if you think they might involve ND. They really seem to rile you up.
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RE: Superconference Scenarios
This is my one and only superconference. It consists of 8 divisions of 8 teams each. Each school will play a full round robin within its division, and only these seven games will count in determining the division standings.

Each school will also play 3 conference opponents from outside its division. While these games will not count in determing division champions, they will be considered in seeding the 16 team conference tournament.

The divisions, and the OOD opponents for each school, are:

Alabama.............Ole Miss, Mississippi St, LSU
Georgia..............Georgia Tech, Clemson, Oklahoma St
Auburn...............Clemson, Georgia Tech, Arkansas
Florida................Florida State, Miami, Ole Miss
West Virginia.......Pitt, Virginia Tech, Maryland
Tennessee...........Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Ole Miss
Vanderbilt...........Duke, South Carolina, Northwestern
Kentucky............Louisville, South Carolina, LSU

LSU....................Alabama, Kentucky, Michigan St
Oklahoma St.......Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Georgia
Texas A&M..........TCU, Georgia Tech, Ohio State
Kansas St............Kansas, Iowa State, Nebraska
Mississippi St.......Alabama, Florida St, Clemson
Missouri..............Kansas, Iowa, South Carolina
Arkansas.............Oklahoma, Texas, Auburn
Ole Miss..............Alabama, Tennessee, Florida

Notre Dame.........Southern Cal, Stanford, Michigan
Louisville.............Kentucky, North Carolina, Indiana
Virginia Tech........NC State, west Virginia, Tennessee
Miami.................Florida State, Florida, Penn state
Pitt.....................West Virginia, Penn State, Rutgers
Boston College.....Wake Forest, Rutgers, Maryland
Syracuse.............Wake Forest, Rutgers, Purdue
Virginia...............North Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke

Clemson..............Auburn, Georgia, Mississippi St
Florida State........Florida, Miami, Mississippi St
South Carolina.....Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri
Georgia Tech........Georgia, Auburn, Texas A&M
NC State..............Virginia, Maryland, Penn State
North Carolina......Virginia, Tennessee, Louisville
Duke...................Virginia, Vanderbilt, Northwestern
Wake Forest.........Virginia, Boston College, Syracuse

Ohio State...........Wisconsin, Minnesota, Texas A&M
Michigan St..........Iowa, Illinois, LSU
Michigan..............Minnesota, Notre Dame, Wisconsin
Penn State...........Pitt, NC State, Miami
Indiana................Illinois, Iowa St, Louisville
Maryland.............West Virginia, NC State, Boston College
Rutgers................Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt
Purdue.................Illinois, Iowa St, Syracuse

Wisconsin.............Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan
Iowa....................Missouri, Michigan St, Washington
Nebraska..............Washington, Oklahoma, Kansas st
Northwestern........Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt
Minnesota.............Oregon St, Michigan, Ohio State
Iowa State............Kansas St, Purdue, Indiana
Illinois..................Purdue, Indiana, Michigan St
Kansas.................Kansas St, Missouri, Colorado

Oregon.................Utah, TCU, Wisconsin
Stanford...............Notre Dame, Arizona St, Northwestern
Southern Cal.........Notre Dame, Arizona, Utah
Washington...........Utah, Iowa, Nebraska
UCLA....................Texas, Colorado, Arizona St
California..............Texas, Colorado, Arizona
Washington St.......Utah, Texas Tech, TCU
Oregon St.............Arizona, Texas Tech, Minnesota

Oklahoma.............Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Nebraska
TCU......................Texas A&M, Oregon, Washington St
Utah.....................Washington, Southern Cal, Oregon
Arizona State.........UCLA, Stanford, Washington St
Texas....................California, UCLA, Arkansas
Arizona..................California, Southern Cal, Oregon St
Texas Tech.............Oklahoma St, Washington St, Oregon St
Colorado................California, UCLA, Kansas

The first and second place finishers from each division, based solely on the W-L record within their division, will qualify for the championship tournament. The first place finishers will be seeded #1-8 and the second place finisher #9-16. Seeding will be done by a committee, which will take the entire 10 game conference schedule into account. Seeds can be adjusted by one place up or down to prevent two teams from the same division meeting in the first two rounds.

The 8 first round winners are guaranteed a spot in the NY6. The four highest seeded first round losers round out the field. The four second round winners advance to the semifinals, to be played at the Cotton Bowl and Peach Bowl. The finals rotate through all six NY6 sites.



EDIT:

The order of the teams within each division is not random. It is based on the average Sagarin strength rating over the last 8 years, after discarding each school's best and worst season. The strongest team in each division is listed first.
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RE: Superconference Scenarios
(02-14-2018 01:12 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 12:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 09:26 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 06:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule?

Notre Dame could be eligible for the ACC tournament (and thus, ultimately the CFP) by winning its division (based on divisional record) - and not eligible for the ACC tournament wild card bid. The ACC divisions would rotate somewhat to accommodate Notre Dame's future ACC opponents. With the divisional rotations, you might actually create more opportunities for certain ACC teams to play each other more often than the status quo.

Something like this:

ACC
2021:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Florida St., North Carolina, at Virginia, Georgia Tech
ATLANTIC: Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Louisville
COASTAL: Virginia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Duke, Syracuse
(The Irish also play at Virginia Tech in '21)
*If desired, Florida St. plays Atlantic schools in its cross-division games and UNC, UVA, and GT play mostly Coastal schools in their cross-division games.

2022:
NORTH: Notre Dame, Boston College, Clemson, at North Carolina, at Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Georgia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: Duke, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
(Only the 4 divisional games scheduled in '22)
*If desired, North Carolina and Georgia Tech play Coastal schools in their cross-division games and BC, Cuse, and Clemson play mostly Atlantic schools in their cross-division games.

2023:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Duke, at NC State, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Boston College, Syracuse, Louisville
COASTAL: Miami, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Clemson and at Louisville in '23)

2024:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Georgia Tech, Virginia, Florida St., Miami
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Boston College, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
(Only the 4 divisional games in '24)

2025:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Boston College, at Miami, NC State, Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Pitt
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Pitt in '25)

So, despite playing in Notre Dame's division twice in five years, North Carolina would still play a mostly Coastal schedule and Florida St. would still play a mostly Atlantic schedule each year.

First, this wouldn't happen before 2025. Second, I can't imagine any of the ACC football schools would want this. Random divisions are not practical or desirable. Third, I'm sure everyone would rapidly tire of catering to ND's every whim, if they haven't already.

As I said up thread, ND does not want this.

Therefore, it is not a "whim" of the Irish, but rather message board fanboy fantasy.

Name me some other alleged "whims", please, other than wanting to keep football out of any damn conference.

If that hypothetical scenario were to take place, presumably ND would have had to agree on it. I think you're right in that they wouldn't actually agree.

Setting aside hypotheticals, ND is a "special snowflake" that wants the benefits of being in a conference without having to fully contribute to the conference. That the ACC agreed to such a one-sided deal with ND in 2013 speaks to the conference's desperation at the time.

If ND really wanted to keep football completely out of a conference, they wouldn't have agreed to the 5-game ACC schedule. They're over halfway in already, so they've conceded that full independence isn't feasible. They'll end up as a full football-playing member of a conference sooner or later, even if it's not the ACC.

Since you consider yourself above your fellow "message board fanboys," it may behoove you to avoid paying any attention to realignment scenarios, especially if you think they might involve ND. They really seem to rile you up.

They don't "rile me up". Most of them are ridiculous, though.

No, I don't think that ND football will join a conference eventually. Only a P4 champs only setup will force ND fully into a conference, shotgun to forehead.

I don't really think that will happen. You do. We just disagree.

I also don't think that I am "above anyone". I am just pointing out that this kind of stuff is mostly message board fantasy, not reality.

But, keep telling me how I think and feel and carry on.......
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