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RE: Superconference Scenarios
(02-12-2018 02:55 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 01:37 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 01:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't believe we will ever have what one might call "superconferences" or "megaconferences". I think 18 is the limit, and depending on what Oklahoma and Texas prefer to do there might only be one of those.

For this exercise, I'm going to assume (without any actual knowledge of what they want) they both want to go to the B1G, and that the B1G will have them and will accept two more to make that happen. I'm also going to assume that ESPN will either allow or encourage movement from the ACC to the SEC, and will negotiate whatever is needed to make that possible.

Then my two 18 team conferences are:

B1G East: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue and Illinois.

B1G West: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St and Texas.

SEC East: Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech and NC State.

SEC West: Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi St, Vanderbilt, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri and Texas A&M.

These four divisions will all play a balanced 8 game schedule, and will schedule any rivalry opponents from the other division in their conference as part of their OOC schedule. The only two such rivalries that come readily to mind are Auburn-Georgia and Tennessee-Vanderbilt.

The remaining ACC teams stay together as a single 10 team conference with a full round robin schedule plus Notre Dame, which plays half of them one year and the other half the next.

The remnants of the Big 12 rebuild from the AAC western teams, with West Virginia moving to the AAC. The net result is two geographically logical 9 team conferences (with Wichita State going with the Big 12).

The end result is 3 very strong (I won't say "Power") conferences, 3 Tweener conferences, and 4 relatively weak conferences.

At that point, ND probably parts ways with the ACC. They can hook up with the Big East again and retain a fully independent football schedule. Maybe they'd try to establish a partial football schedule with the Big Ten to replace the ACC games. Then they'd have easier access to traditional rivals such as Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue, while still being able to play Navy, USC, and Stanford. Of course, if they're smart, they go all in with the Big Ten, and Okie Jr. can forget about an invite (not that the Cowboys would have been invited in the first place).

Also, in your scenario, WVU is sticking with the Big 12 except on the off chance that the ACC invites them.



While none of this will happen in reality, in this scenario, don't expect ND to join the Big Ten.

Why do people keep trying to shoehorn ND football into the very last place it wants to be?

ND outright rejected the Big Ten in 1999 and did so again in 2010-12 with its move to the ACC. Jim Delany really wanted the Irish, too. No sale.

I doubt ND would join the Big East. No bowl bids there, no football scheduling for November, either.

In this fantasy land scenario, ND would likely keep the status quo with that entity called the ACC for a number of reasons (Southeastern recruiting, better "fit" with private schools in ACC, etc.).

That was certainly my assumption. This would be a pretty good schedule for the Irish, IMO:

Miami, UNC, Boston College, Wake Forest, Virginia, Stanford, USC, Navy, either Oklahoma or Texas (alternate years), Alabama or other SEC team and an FBS buy game.

Not to mention some pretty good hoops, LAX and other sports. They could do worse.
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RE: Superconference Scenarios
Magnolia Conference: Duke, Wake Forest, Vandy, Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Baylor, Tulane, Rice, SMU, TCU, Kansas


SEC (East): Florida, FSU, UGA, Tennessee, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, NCST, VT, Kentucky, Louisville, Auburn

SEC (West): Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Texas A&M, Texas, Texas Tech, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas St


Big North Conference (East): WVU, Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt, Penn State, Ohio St, Temple, Indiana

BNC (West): Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Purdue, Northwestern, Nebraska


Pac-12 stays the same
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(02-13-2018 09:40 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Magnolia Conference: Duke, Wake Forest, Vandy, Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Baylor, Tulane, Rice, SMU, TCU, Kansas


SEC (East): Florida, FSU, UGA, Tennessee, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, NCST, VT, Kentucky, Louisville, Auburn

SEC (West): Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Texas A&M, Texas, Texas Tech, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas St


Big North Conference (East): WVU, Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt, Penn State, Ohio St, UConn, Temple

BNC (West): Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Purdue, Northwestern

Pac-12 stays the same

Whither Nebraska?
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(02-13-2018 09:51 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 09:40 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Magnolia Conference: Duke, Wake Forest, Vandy, Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Baylor, Tulane, Rice, SMU, TCU, Kansas


SEC (East): Florida, FSU, UGA, Tennessee, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, NCST, VT, Kentucky, Louisville, Auburn

SEC (West): Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Texas A&M, Texas, Texas Tech, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas St


Big North Conference (East): WVU, Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt, Penn State, Ohio St, UConn, Temple

BNC (West): Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Purdue, Northwestern

Pac-12 stays the same

Whither Nebraska?

I knew I forgot one. Edited. (Sorry UConn)
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RE: Superconference Scenarios
Not necessarily superconferences but...

Notre Dame goes a little further into ACC football by agreeing to join a division and play only 7 ACC games. Notre Dame may schedule the other ACC teams in OOC games. The divisions are realigned. In turn, the ACC gives Notre Dame full access to the ACC championship game based upon conference game win percentage. The ACC finalizes up to 16.

The Oklahoma schools jump to the SEC. Texas heads west because Texas' ego gets in the way and the PAC is willing to let Texas maintain the LHN. The B1G does nothing. The XII expands from the AAC. The AAC disbands as the remnant merges with some MWC schools.

PAC
North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, Utah
South: USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech

B1G
West: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue
East: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

SEC
West: Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
East: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina

ACC
Atlantic: Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Miami
Coastal: Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia

XIV
West: Houston, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Navy (football only)
East: Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut, East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida

AWC (American West Conference)
West: San Diego St, Fresno St, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado St
East: Air Force, New Mexico, Tulane, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Army (football only)
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(02-13-2018 10:19 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Not necessarily superconferences but...

Notre Dame goes a little further into ACC football by agreeing to join a division and play only 7 ACC games. Notre Dame may schedule the other ACC teams in OOC games. The divisions are realigned. In turn, the ACC gives Notre Dame full access to the ACC championship game based upon conference game win percentage. The ACC finalizes up to 16.

The Oklahoma schools jump to the SEC. Texas heads west because Texas' ego gets in the way and the PAC is willing to let Texas maintain the LHN. The B1G does nothing. The XII expands from the AAC. The AAC disbands as the remnant merges with some MWC schools.

PAC
North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, Utah
South: USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech

B1G
West: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue
East: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

SEC
West: Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
East: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina

ACC
Atlantic: Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Miami
Coastal: Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia

XIV
West: Houston, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Navy (football only)
East: Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut, East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida

AWC (American West Conference)
West: San Diego St, Fresno St, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado St
East: Air Force, New Mexico, Tulane, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Army (football only)


ND does not want this and the ACC will not agree to this.

Other than that......
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RE: Superconference Scenarios
Another interesting exercise could be instead of splitting into a P65 and G65, splitting into 4 groups instead.

The Big 36
USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wash, Ariz, Col, Tex, Oklahoma
Kansas, Neb, Mizzou, Arky, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, ILL
Mich, Mich St, Ohio St, Indy, Notre Dame, Penn St, Va, UNC
Clem, Florida, Flor St, Bama, Auburn, Tenn,
Ky, Ga, GT, Ole Miss, LSU, Texas A&M

Middle 32
Ariz St, Cal, Stan, Utah ,Ore. St, Wash St, BYU, Boise St
Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Okie St, Kansas St, Iowa St, Miss St, Pur
Lou, Miami, VT, Duke, NCSU, S. Car, UCF, USF
Rut, WV, Cuse, Pitt, BC, MD, UConn, Cincy

Lower 24
Temple, NW, Wake, Vandy, Memphis, Tulane, ECU, USM
AFA, Navy, Col St, New Mex, Hou, SMU, Tulsa, Rice
UNLV, SDSU, Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada, Wyoming, UTEP
NIU

Bottom 38
SJSU, USU, NMSU, UTSA, Tex ST
North Tex, Ark St, La Tech, La-Mo, La-La, USA, Troy, UAB
FIU, FAU, Charlotte, ODU, MTSU, WKY, Marshal, Army
Ga St, Ga So, Liberty, UMass, CCU, App St
WMU, CMU, EMU, Ball St, TOL
Akron, Ohio, Miami-OH, Buf, BGSU, Kent St

Moving down to FCS: Idaho
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RE: Superconference Scenarios
(02-13-2018 12:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 10:19 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Not necessarily superconferences but...

Notre Dame goes a little further into ACC football by agreeing to join a division and play only 7 ACC games. Notre Dame may schedule the other ACC teams in OOC games. The divisions are realigned. In turn, the ACC gives Notre Dame full access to the ACC championship game based upon conference game win percentage. The ACC finalizes up to 16.

The Oklahoma schools jump to the SEC. Texas heads west because Texas' ego gets in the way and the PAC is willing to let Texas maintain the LHN. The B1G does nothing. The XII expands from the AAC. The AAC disbands as the remnant merges with some MWC schools.

PAC
North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, Utah
South: USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech

B1G
West: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue
East: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

SEC
West: Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
East: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina

ACC
Atlantic: Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Miami
Coastal: Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia

XIV
West: Houston, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Navy (football only)
East: Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut, East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida

AWC (American West Conference)
West: San Diego St, Fresno St, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado St
East: Air Force, New Mexico, Tulane, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Army (football only)


ND does not want this and the ACC will not agree to this.

Other than that......

It would be an interesting scenario if the Superconferences each split into 3 divisions in order to incorporate conference semifinal tournaments. The CFP becomes a Champs Only affair for the P4.

In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule?

Notre Dame could be eligible for the ACC tournament (and thus, ultimately the CFP) by winning its division (based on divisional record) - and not eligible for the ACC tournament wild card bid. The ACC divisions would rotate somewhat to accommodate Notre Dame's future ACC opponents. With the divisional rotations, you might actually create more opportunities for certain ACC teams to play each other more often than the status quo.

Something like this:

ACC
2021:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Florida St., North Carolina, at Virginia, Georgia Tech
ATLANTIC: Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Louisville
COASTAL: Virginia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Duke, Syracuse
(The Irish also play at Virginia Tech in '21)
*If desired, Florida St. plays Atlantic schools in its cross-division games and UNC, UVA, and GT play mostly Coastal schools in their cross-division games.

2022:
NORTH: Notre Dame, Boston College, Clemson, at North Carolina, at Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Georgia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: Duke, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
(Only the 4 divisional games scheduled in '22)
*If desired, North Carolina and Georgia Tech play Coastal schools in their cross-division games and BC, Cuse, and Clemson play mostly Atlantic schools in their cross-division games.

2023:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Duke, at NC State, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Boston College, Syracuse, Louisville
COASTAL: Miami, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Clemson and at Louisville in '23)

2024:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Georgia Tech, Virginia, Florida St., Miami
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Boston College, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
(Only the 4 divisional games in '24)

2025:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Boston College, at Miami, NC State, Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Pitt
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Pitt in '25)

So, despite playing in Notre Dame's division twice in five years, North Carolina would still play a mostly Coastal schedule and Florida St. would still play a mostly Atlantic schedule each year.
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(02-13-2018 06:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule?

Notre Dame could be eligible for the ACC tournament (and thus, ultimately the CFP) by winning its division (based on divisional record) - and not eligible for the ACC tournament wild card bid. The ACC divisions would rotate somewhat to accommodate Notre Dame's future ACC opponents. With the divisional rotations, you might actually create more opportunities for certain ACC teams to play each other more often than the status quo.

Something like this:

ACC
2021:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Florida St., North Carolina, at Virginia, Georgia Tech
ATLANTIC: Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Louisville
COASTAL: Virginia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Duke, Syracuse
(The Irish also play at Virginia Tech in '21)
*If desired, Florida St. plays Atlantic schools in its cross-division games and UNC, UVA, and GT play mostly Coastal schools in their cross-division games.

2022:
NORTH: Notre Dame, Boston College, Clemson, at North Carolina, at Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Georgia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: Duke, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
(Only the 4 divisional games scheduled in '22)
*If desired, North Carolina and Georgia Tech play Coastal schools in their cross-division games and BC, Cuse, and Clemson play mostly Atlantic schools in their cross-division games.

2023:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Duke, at NC State, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Boston College, Syracuse, Louisville
COASTAL: Miami, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Clemson and at Louisville in '23)

2024:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Georgia Tech, Virginia, Florida St., Miami
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Boston College, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
(Only the 4 divisional games in '24)

2025:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Boston College, at Miami, NC State, Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Pitt
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Pitt in '25)

So, despite playing in Notre Dame's division twice in five years, North Carolina would still play a mostly Coastal schedule and Florida St. would still play a mostly Atlantic schedule each year.

First, this wouldn't happen before 2025. Second, I can't imagine any of the ACC football schools would want this. Random divisions are not practical or desirable. Third, I'm sure everyone would rapidly tire of catering to ND's every whim, if they haven't already.
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(02-14-2018 09:26 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 06:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule?

Notre Dame could be eligible for the ACC tournament (and thus, ultimately the CFP) by winning its division (based on divisional record) - and not eligible for the ACC tournament wild card bid. The ACC divisions would rotate somewhat to accommodate Notre Dame's future ACC opponents. With the divisional rotations, you might actually create more opportunities for certain ACC teams to play each other more often than the status quo.

Something like this:

ACC
2021:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Florida St., North Carolina, at Virginia, Georgia Tech
ATLANTIC: Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Louisville
COASTAL: Virginia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Duke, Syracuse
(The Irish also play at Virginia Tech in '21)
*If desired, Florida St. plays Atlantic schools in its cross-division games and UNC, UVA, and GT play mostly Coastal schools in their cross-division games.

2022:
NORTH: Notre Dame, Boston College, Clemson, at North Carolina, at Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Georgia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: Duke, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
(Only the 4 divisional games scheduled in '22)
*If desired, North Carolina and Georgia Tech play Coastal schools in their cross-division games and BC, Cuse, and Clemson play mostly Atlantic schools in their cross-division games.

2023:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Duke, at NC State, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Boston College, Syracuse, Louisville
COASTAL: Miami, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Clemson and at Louisville in '23)

2024:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Georgia Tech, Virginia, Florida St., Miami
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Boston College, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
(Only the 4 divisional games in '24)

2025:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Boston College, at Miami, NC State, Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Pitt
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Pitt in '25)

So, despite playing in Notre Dame's division twice in five years, North Carolina would still play a mostly Coastal schedule and Florida St. would still play a mostly Atlantic schedule each year.

First, this wouldn't happen before 2025. Second, I can't imagine any of the ACC football schools would want this. Random divisions are not practical or desirable. Third, I'm sure everyone would rapidly tire of catering to ND's every whim, if they haven't already.

As I said up thread, ND does not want this.

Therefore, it is not a "whim" of the Irish, but rather message board fanboy fantasy.

Name me some other alleged "whims", please, other than wanting to keep football out of any damn conference.
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