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RE: Are the Germans losing their edge?
(01-12-2018 04:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I recall one if them in particular featured a new proprietary state of the art, high tech PCV system. Problem was, as we found out the hard way, it needed to be cleaned out annually or it would clog and the turbo would blow. The other problem was it wasn't a simple valve on top of the crankcase, it was a series of tubes and oil separators that were buried under everything else and it cost a cool $1,200 in labor just to clean it.

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(01-12-2018 04:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I recall one if them in particular featured a new proprietary state of the art, high tech PCV system. Problem was, as we found out the hard way, it needed to be cleaned out annually or it would clog and the turbo would blow. The other problem was it wasn't a simple valve on top of the crankcase, it was a series of tubes and oil separators that were buried under everything else and it cost a cool $1,200 in labor just to clean it.

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For the life of my wife's car, every time you had to change brake pads, you also had to change the "consumable rotors" - $750 every time......
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(01-12-2018 06:02 PM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 04:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I recall one if them in particular featured a new proprietary state of the art, high tech PCV system. Problem was, as we found out the hard way, it needed to be cleaned out annually or it would clog and the turbo would blow. The other problem was it wasn't a simple valve on top of the crankcase, it was a series of tubes and oil separators that were buried under everything else and it cost a cool $1,200 in labor just to clean it.

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For the life of my wife's car, every time you had to change brake pads, you also had to change the "consumable rotors" - $750 every time......
Audi, you have to remove the whole front end to change water pump or fuel pump. Bumper lights, whole front end.
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(01-12-2018 01:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 12:48 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I am curious why Germany needed naval force projection to deliver marines to foreign beaches, but whatevs.......

The 4th Reich


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Who was the 1st Reich?
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(01-12-2018 06:30 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 01:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 12:48 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I am curious why Germany needed naval force projection to deliver marines to foreign beaches, but whatevs.......

The 4th Reich


Pop quiz:

Who was the 1st Reich?

Roman empire? I was being a smartass with 4th reich
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(01-12-2018 12:34 PM)miko33 Wrote:  https://www.wsj.com/articles/german-engi...1515753000

Quote:Germany’s naval brass in 2005 dreamed up a warship that could ferry marines into combat anywhere in the world, go up against enemy ships and stay away from home ports for two years with a crew half the size of its predecessor’s.

First delivered for sea trials in 2016 after a series of delays, the 7,000-ton Baden-Württemberg frigate was determined last month to have an unexpected design flaw: It doesn’t really work.

Defense experts cite the warship’s buggy software and ill-considered arsenal—as well as what was until recently its noticeable list to starboard—as symptoms of deeper, more intractable problems: Shrinking military expertise and growing confusion among German leaders about what the country’s armed forces are for.

A litany of bungled infrastructure projects has tarred Germany’s reputation for engineering prowess. There is still no opening date for Berlin’s new €6 billion ($7.2 billion) airport, which is already 10 years behind schedule, and the redesign of Stuttgart’s railway station remains stalled more than a decade after work on the project started. Observers have blamed these mishaps on poor planning and project management, which also figured in major setbacks for several big military projects.

They have been losing thier edge for a while. Volkswagons suck these days.

That said, this program reminds me a great deal of our own Navy's Littoral Combat Ship program. The US Navy basically designed a ship they thought we needed. The Cold War was over and the big blue water Russian Navy was gone. We needed a a bunch of relatively cheap ships that could perform lots of duties and could be sent to fight in the small remote coastal wars around the globe. We envisioned something fast and small that could deal with the terrorists and Somali pirates of the world--but with a cargo bay that could accept "modules" that would allow the vessel to perform different more traditional naval functions like submarine tracking, mine hunting, convoy escort, or SEAL team delivery.

Like the Germans, by the time the ship was ready---we found the threat picture had changed. The Russia blue water navy was back--plus--the friggin Chinese were building a blue water navy of their own. So now, we needed to rebuild our sagging blue water navy numbers---but the Littoral Ship literally had virtually no over the horizon anti-ship capability. Thus, the Littoral Combat Ship was largely worthless in a blue water conflict.

So, less than a third of the way into the building run---the Navy is working to re-tool the product in order to convert the Littoral Combat Ship into the Littoral "frigate". The idea is to give it better anti-ship weapons, more defensive survivability, a better sensor array, and make it a viable blue water warship. That very basic retool doesnt even address a host of reliablity issues with the ships propulsion system---but thats another story.
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(01-12-2018 05:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 04:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I recall one if them in particular featured a new proprietary state of the art, high tech PCV system. Problem was, as we found out the hard way, it needed to be cleaned out annually or it would clog and the turbo would blow. The other problem was it wasn't a simple valve on top of the crankcase, it was a series of tubes and oil separators that were buried under everything else and it cost a cool $1,200 in labor just to clean it.

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Mercedes made a huge sedan model with all mineral oil hydraulics....sunroof, power windows...you could not even shut the trunk without the hydraulic system without breaking it...what could go wrong? It all did.
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(01-12-2018 06:37 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 06:30 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 01:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 12:48 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I am curious why Germany needed naval force projection to deliver marines to foreign beaches, but whatevs.......

The 4th Reich


Pop quiz:

Who was the 1st Reich?

Roman empire? I was being a smartass with 4th reich


Very close, the Holy Roman Empire to be exact. 04-cheers
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(01-12-2018 06:53 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 05:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 04:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I recall one if them in particular featured a new proprietary state of the art, high tech PCV system. Problem was, as we found out the hard way, it needed to be cleaned out annually or it would clog and the turbo would blow. The other problem was it wasn't a simple valve on top of the crankcase, it was a series of tubes and oil separators that were buried under everything else and it cost a cool $1,200 in labor just to clean it.

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BMW once infamously used a plastic water pump.

Mercedes made a huge sedan model with all mineral oil hydraulics....sunroof, power windows...you could not even shut the trunk without the hydraulic system without breaking it...what could go wrong? It all did.

I’ve heard of that before.

That’s called being stupid. The German car companies have been doing it for decades. Complexity is not superior engineering.
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RE: Are the Germans losing their edge?
Germany is starting to balance out a bit in terms of political power. It went too far down one of the roads, and now it's tilting back to normalcy. Germany will be fine, it's just that Merkel is past her sell by date and needs to retire.
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