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Are the Germans losing their edge?
My parents went through a phase where they bought Mercedes and BMW. They were all pieces of schit that cost thousands in annual repairs caused by overengineering. Not to mention, the interior upholstery, paneling, doors, and windows fell apart on every single one of them.

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(01-12-2018 03:47 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  My parents went through a phase where they bought Mercedes and BMW. They were all pieces of schit that cost thousands in annual repairs caused by overengineering. Not to mention, the interior upholstery, paneling, doors, and windows fell apart on every single one of them.

What years? Cause a mid-70 to mid-80 Mercedes is pretty well engineered.

But if they bought a mid-2000's BMW 7 series, may Huskie Jebus have mercy on their souls.
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(01-12-2018 03:50 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 03:47 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  My parents went through a phase where they bought Mercedes and BMW. They were all pieces of schit that cost thousands in annual repairs caused by overengineering. Not to mention, the interior upholstery, paneling, doors, and windows fell apart on every single one of them.

What years? Cause a mid-70 to mid-80 Mercedes is pretty well engineered.

But if they bought a mid-2000's BMW 7 series, may Huskie Jebus have mercy on their souls.
Probably late 90s or early 2000s.

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(01-12-2018 03:47 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  My parents went through a phase where they bought Mercedes and BMW. They were all pieces of schit that cost thousands in annual repairs caused by overengineering. Not to mention, the interior upholstery, paneling, doors, and windows fell apart on every single one of them.

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I have personally never owned a German car. Mine have all been American, British, or Italian.

But, I've never been that impressed and the German engineered portion is generally nothing but a marketing strategy.
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(01-12-2018 03:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  German engineering prowess is more the result of a a quasi-marketing campaign than anything based in fact.
They over engineer every damn thing. Fricking 14 piece scissor gear cup holders. German Engineers - The Masters of Multiple Failure Points.
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(01-12-2018 04:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 03:47 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  My parents went through a phase where they bought Mercedes and BMW. They were all pieces of schit that cost thousands in annual repairs caused by overengineering. Not to mention, the interior upholstery, paneling, doors, and windows fell apart on every single one of them.

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I have personally never owned a German car. Mine have all been American, British, or Italian.

But, I've never been that impressed and the German engineered portion is generally nothing but a marketing strategy.

My wife owned one BMW. She absolutely loved that car, enough that she kept it for 14 years. That said, I didn't like it because to fix anything was 2X/3X more than fixing the same things for American or Japanese cars.

Nudged her toward Lexus when she finally traded it in and she likes the Lexus a lot.

The Germans make very good cutting tools, etc. that are used in manufacturing, but they certainly aren't cheap.
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Are the Germans losing their edge?
I recall one if them in particular featured a new proprietary state of the art, high tech PCV system. Problem was, as we found out the hard way, it needed to be cleaned out annually or it would clog and the turbo would blow. The other problem was it wasn't a simple valve on top of the crankcase, it was a series of tubes and oil separators that were buried under everything else and it cost a cool $1,200 in labor just to clean it.

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(01-12-2018 04:53 PM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 04:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 03:47 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  My parents went through a phase where they bought Mercedes and BMW. They were all pieces of schit that cost thousands in annual repairs caused by overengineering. Not to mention, the interior upholstery, paneling, doors, and windows fell apart on every single one of them.

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I have personally never owned a German car. Mine have all been American, British, or Italian.

But, I've never been that impressed and the German engineered portion is generally nothing but a marketing strategy.

My wife owned one BMW. She absolutely loved that car, enough that she kept it for 14 years. That said, I didn't like it because to fix anything was 2X/3X more than fixing the same things for American or Japanese cars.

Nudged her toward Lexus when she finally traded it in and she likes the Lexus a lot.

The Germans make very good cutting tools, etc. that are used in manufacturing, but they certainly aren't cheap.

They make the best hazmat equipment as well.
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The high end german stuff for years tended to be way over engineered with an eye towards initial performance but no reasonable heed paid to the fact that parts may someday actually need to be removed, replaced or maintained. You'd find yourself asking WTF the sadistic designers were thinking when having to pull the front half of an engine apart just to change a fan belt or spark plugs.
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(01-12-2018 05:10 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  The high end german stuff for years tended to be way over engineered with an eye towards initial performance but no reasonable heed paid to the fact that parts may someday actually need to be removed, replaced or maintained. You'd find yourself asking WTF the sadistic designers were thinking when having to pull the front half of an engine apart just to change a fan belt or spark plugs.

Or drop a motor to change lightbulbs...

Thanks Audi!

There is a clear difference in approach between cars and such of various countries. The Germans do not agree that simple is better.
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