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(01-12-2018 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:45 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If this were the only instance of trump with such words and/or actions, sure, excuse it. However, it's not.

Trump should be able to make a salient point in a discussion without having to check every phrase for inherent and or systemic sexism, racism or whateverism or whataboutism. Each of which is only defined as such by his enemies.

He's doing nothing but noticing nonsense and pointing it out.

Was it a salient point though? I don't believe they were talking about basic immigration issues, but rather bringing in folks from other countries who are escaping shithole countries.

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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 10:45 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If this were the only instance of trump with such words and/or actions, sure, excuse it. However, it's not.

Trump should be able to make a salient point in a discussion without having to check every phrase for inherent and or systemic sexism, racism or whateverism or whataboutism. Each of which is only defined as such by his enemies.

He's doing nothing but noticing nonsense and pointing it out.

XACLY!

for some strange reason, beta masochistic rule is preferred by many.....
01-12-2018 10:59 AM
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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:45 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If this were the only instance of trump with such words and/or actions, sure, excuse it. However, it's not.

Trump should be able to make a salient point in a discussion without having to check every phrase for inherent and or systemic sexism, racism or whateverism or whataboutism. Each of which is only defined as such by his enemies.

He's doing nothing but noticing nonsense and pointing it out.

Was it a salient point though? I don't believe they were talking about basic immigration issues, but rather bringing in folks from other countries who are escaping horrific situations, like natural disasters and political strife.

how could one possibly know if not in the room.....

it's a 'he said, he said' spin festival.....
01-12-2018 11:02 AM
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(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist.

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

People are going to be on this forum all day trying to deflect, point the finger at other people and say things like. " But Hillary this" and "but Obama that".


Let's not pretend anymore. The man's immigration policy comes from a personal hatred of the browning of America.

Begging the question much?
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(01-12-2018 10:50 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:46 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:39 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Trump and his supporters have always supported letting people into this country the same way most of our ancestors, from all countries, came here; Legally. With the full expectation that they would assimilate into American culture – learning the language, the history, and what made this country important.

If that makes me racist, I think you don't understand what racist means.

Most of our ancestors actually came to this country the same way the so called "illegals" came into this country.

1. They came uninvited

2. They didn't learn the language.

3. They did not assimilate.


You see, that is the problem with Trump and his supporters. They are a group of ignorant people who don't know the history of this continent so they make ignorant comments.

That is great, but those people, our ancestors also did the following...

4. They conquered the land.

See, if you allow 1, 2, & 3, you are setting yourself up for #4. That is what we need to avoid.

I appreciate your honesty.

If one good thing can be said about Trump, it's that he has made it acceptable for people like you to be honest about why exactly they want immigration reform.

People like me? Please explain more about people like me.

I'll help him out.....you're just a damn white pig racist..... 03-wink
01-12-2018 11:03 AM
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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 10:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:45 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If this were the only instance of trump with such words and/or actions, sure, excuse it. However, it's not.

Trump should be able to make a salient point in a discussion without having to check every phrase for inherent and or systemic sexism, racism or whateverism or whataboutism. Each of which is only defined as such by his enemies.

He's doing nothing but noticing nonsense and pointing it out.

Was it a salient point though? I don't believe they were talking about basic immigration issues, but rather bringing in folks from other countries who are escaping shithole countries.

04-cheers

I see what you did there.
01-12-2018 11:04 AM
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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:39 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Trump and his supporters have always supported letting people into this country the same way most of our ancestors, from all countries, came here; Legally. With the full expectation that they would assimilate into American culture – learning the language, the history, and what made this country important.

If that makes me racist, I think you don't understand what racist means.

If this were the only instance of trump with such words and/or actions, sure, excuse it. However, it's not.

He's a bit hamfisted and crude but he tends to be pretty equal opportunity about it.
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(01-12-2018 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Was it a salient point though? I don't believe they were talking about basic immigration issues, but rather bringing in folks from other countries who are escaping horrific situations, like natural disasters and political strife.

American citizenship is not some sort of global right. We owe nothing to people escaping horrific situations, whether Norweigan or Haitian or anyone in-between, except an opportunity to legally immigrate to this country via our rules, our regulations, and our determination of quota or exclusions for certain countries.
01-12-2018 11:10 AM
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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:39 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Trump and his supporters have always supported letting people into this country the same way most of our ancestors, from all countries, came here; Legally. With the full expectation that they would assimilate into American culture – learning the language, the history, and what made this country important.

If that makes me racist, I think you don't understand what racist means.

Most of our ancestors actually came to this country the same way the so called "illegals" came into this country.

1. They came uninvited

2. They didn't learn the language.

3. They did not assimilate.


You see, that is the problem with Trump and his supporters. They are a group of ignorant people who don't know the history of this continent so they make ignorant comments.

Are you comparing colonial conquest to modern immigration? if so are you will to say that calling modern immigration "an invasion" is not racist?
01-12-2018 11:11 AM
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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 11:10 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Was it a salient point though? I don't believe they were talking about basic immigration issues, but rather bringing in folks from other countries who are escaping horrific situations, like natural disasters and political strife.

American citizenship is not some sort of global right. We owe nothing to people escaping horrific situations, whether Norweigan or Haitian or anyone in-between, except an opportunity to legally immigrate to this country via our rules, our regulations, and our determination of quota or exclusions for certain countries.

Again, I don't think they were talking about citizenship were they? I thought it was more like temporary status stuff. Which I believe is escaping things like natural disasters, political strife, civil wars, etc.
01-12-2018 11:12 AM
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