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Why does the CFP selection committee rank 25 teams?
As far as I can tell, that isn’t part of their charge. Their only responsibilities are to select the 12 teams for the NY6 bowl games, and to decide which of those are the four semifinalists.

So, other than to titillate and stir up controversy, why do they assign a numerical ranking to anybody? They could complete their mission without ever revealing a ranking at all. What does it matter whether they thought Team A was #5 or #11? In either case, they are not in the playoff, and they are in the NY6. Why not just leave it at that?

They could simply announce the bowl pairings that result from applying the various contractual, traditional and geographical considerations that may apply. Announce them in the order that the games will be played to avoid the appearance of a relative ranking. If Miami is the ACC’s contractual representative in the Orange Bowl, it doesn’t matter in which order the selection committee would have placed them. And what difference does it make where, numerically, the G5 representative might rank, as long as it isn’t in the Top 4?

The committee could save itself a lot of grief if they never issued a ranking from the first week they meet until the final selection is made. The only reason to do so is to give fans something to argue about, and to fill up hours of grist for the talking head mill. It’s all for show.
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RE: Why does the CFP selection committee rank 25 teams?
(01-11-2018 09:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  As far as I can tell, that isn’t part of their charge. Their only responsibilities are to select the 12 teams for the NY6 bowl games, and to decide which of those are the four semifinalists.

So, other than to titillate and stir up controversy, why do they assign a numerical ranking to anybody? They could complete their mission without ever revealing a ranking at all. What does it matter whether they thought Team A was #5 or #11? In either case, they are not in the playoff, and they are in the NY6. Why not just leave it at that?

They could simply announce the bowl pairings that result from applying the various contractual, traditional and geographical considerations that may apply. Announce them in the order that the games will be played to avoid the appearance of a relative ranking. If Miami is the ACC’s contractual representative in the Orange Bowl, it doesn’t matter in which order the selection committee would have placed them. And what difference does it make where, numerically, the G5 representative might rank, as long as it isn’t in the Top 4?

The committee could save itself a lot of grief if they never issued a ranking from the first week they meet until the final selection is made. The only reason to do so is to give fans something to argue about, and to fill up hours of grist for the talking head mill. It’s all for show.

They are trying to let teams know where they are at and who is in range. They do try to pair 5-6, 7-8, etc. in the bowls.

Ultimately, it is all just a TV show for ESPN on Tuesday nights.
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I just figured they were emulating the AP Poll.
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(01-11-2018 09:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  As far as I can tell, that isn’t part of their charge. Their only responsibilities are to select the 12 teams for the NY6 bowl games, and to decide which of those are the four semifinalists.

So, other than to titillate and stir up controversy, why do they assign a numerical ranking to anybody? They could complete their mission without ever revealing a ranking at all. What does it matter whether they thought Team A was #5 or #11? In either case, they are not in the playoff, and they are in the NY6. Why not just leave it at that?

They could simply announce the bowl pairings that result from applying the various contractual, traditional and geographical considerations that may apply. Announce them in the order that the games will be played to avoid the appearance of a relative ranking. If Miami is the ACC’s contractual representative in the Orange Bowl, it doesn’t matter in which order the selection committee would have placed them. And what difference does it make where, numerically, the G5 representative might rank, as long as it isn’t in the Top 4?

The committee could save itself a lot of grief if they never issued a ranking from the first week they meet until the final selection is made. The only reason to do so is to give fans something to argue about, and to fill up hours of grist for the talking head mill. It’s all for show.

They are trying to let teams know where they are at and who is in range. They do try to pair 5-6, 7-8, etc. in the bowls.

Ultimately, it is all just a TV show for ESPN on Tuesday nights.

Would that affect how hard those teams play down the stretch?
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RE: Why does the CFP selection committee rank 25 teams?
(01-11-2018 09:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  The committee could save itself a lot of grief if they never issued a ranking from the first week they meet until the final selection is made. The only reason to do so is to give fans something to argue about, and to fill up hours of grist for the talking head mill. It’s all for show.

Well, you answered your question. First and foremost, college athletics is about entertainment and marketing, for the schools and their media partners. So of course they will do it in a way that maximizes entertainment and marketing value.
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The entire system is ridiculous.
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Considering that the rankings mean almost nothing until the final one, it does seem rather pathetic. Like that one year that TCU was in the top 4, destroyed whomever they were playing, and dropped out of the Final 4 just in time for the playoffs. So who really gives a **** where somebody is before the final week.
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RE: Why does the CFP selection committee rank 25 teams?
(01-11-2018 09:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  As far as I can tell, that isn’t part of their charge. Their only responsibilities are to select the 12 teams for the NY6 bowl games, and to decide which of those are the four semifinalists.

So, other than to titillate and stir up controversy, why do they assign a numerical ranking to anybody? They could complete their mission without ever revealing a ranking at all. What does it matter whether they thought Team A was #5 or #11? In either case, they are not in the playoff, and they are in the NY6. Why not just leave it at that?

They could simply announce the bowl pairings that result from applying the various contractual, traditional and geographical considerations that may apply. Announce them in the order that the games will be played to avoid the appearance of a relative ranking. If Miami is the ACC’s contractual representative in the Orange Bowl, it doesn’t matter in which order the selection committee would have placed them. And what difference does it make where, numerically, the G5 representative might rank, as long as it isn’t in the Top 4?

The committee could save itself a lot of grief if they never issued a ranking from the first week they meet until the final selection is made. The only reason to do so is to give fans something to argue about, and to fill up hours of grist for the talking head mill. It’s all for show.

I'd guess it has something to do with marketing both from the network and school standpoint.

A school saying they've been a "Top 25" program for the last several years carries more weight with recruits than just a "program".

A network can market and advertise a "top 25 matchup" with a bit more exclusiveness than just two schools.

It also gives schools a means to measure their success and eventual goals against others.
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(01-12-2018 12:21 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  A network can market and advertise a "top 25 matchup" with a bit more exclusiveness than just two schools.

This is a big part of it. ESPN wants a CFP top 25 to promote upcoming telecasts, so they can identify teams as #6 or #19 or whatever, and by getting those rankings from a CFP top 25 instead of an AP or "coaches" top 25, ESPN reinforces its own narrative that the CFP rankings are important.
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RE: Why does the CFP selection committee rank 25 teams?
(01-12-2018 12:21 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  As far as I can tell, that isn’t part of their charge. Their only responsibilities are to select the 12 teams for the NY6 bowl games, and to decide which of those are the four semifinalists.

So, other than to titillate and stir up controversy, why do they assign a numerical ranking to anybody? They could complete their mission without ever revealing a ranking at all. What does it matter whether they thought Team A was #5 or #11? In either case, they are not in the playoff, and they are in the NY6. Why not just leave it at that?

They could simply announce the bowl pairings that result from applying the various contractual, traditional and geographical considerations that may apply. Announce them in the order that the games will be played to avoid the appearance of a relative ranking. If Miami is the ACC’s contractual representative in the Orange Bowl, it doesn’t matter in which order the selection committee would have placed them. And what difference does it make where, numerically, the G5 representative might rank, as long as it isn’t in the Top 4?

The committee could save itself a lot of grief if they never issued a ranking from the first week they meet until the final selection is made. The only reason to do so is to give fans something to argue about, and to fill up hours of grist for the talking head mill. It’s all for show.

I'd guess it has something to do with marketing both from the network and school standpoint.

A school saying they've been a "Top 25" program for the last several years carries more weight with recruits than just a "program".

A network can market and advertise a "top 25 matchup" with a bit more exclusiveness than just two schools.

It also gives schools a means to measure their success and eventual goals against others.

All of those things can happen by using the AP Poll like we have since 1936. The CFP ranking adds nothing the AP Poll doesn't offer for marketing and measuring purposes. The CFP ranking beyond the top 12 is superfluous. And since it adds neither clarity or transparency, its entire purpose seems to be to stir up controversy for its own sake.
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