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Would Alabama do game In the Citrus Bowl vs UCF in 2019?
UCF fans want a H&H with Bama. Won't happen because UCF's stadium is too small. But Citrus Bowl in Orlando is big enough...they play Louisville there next year. Let's schedule it.
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(01-11-2018 07:50 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  UCF fans want a H&H with Bama. Won't happen because UCF's stadium is too small. But Citrus Bowl in Orlando is big enough...they play Louisville there next year. Let's schedule it.

No. I’d rather bankrupt our university by building another brand new stadium a mile from our current one than play another down at the citrus dump. The fcs told us our fans had no value and wanted us to foot the bill for their reno, which is why we built or stadium and quickly. Then more recently; they torpedoed a series with Miami by interjecting themselves into the negotiations which went from a 2-2 h&h to 2-1-1 one being a neutral site game at, you guessed it, the citrus bowl. No, **** those guys.
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(01-11-2018 07:50 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  UCF fans want a H&H with Bama. Won't happen because UCF's stadium is too small. But Citrus Bowl in Orlando is big enough...they play Louisville there next year. Let's schedule it.

I dont think stadium size has much too do with it. I think Alabama, wrongly, assumes UCF is beneath them and there is too much risk playing them. They see it as a lose-lose. Alabama will only play the percieved top teams from other P5 conference or a FCS school for OOC games.
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RE: Would Alabama do game In the Citrus Bowl vs UCF in 2019?
If they really, really want Alabama, agree to play them in Alabama.
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RE: Would Alabama do game In the Citrus Bowl vs UCF in 2019?
(01-11-2018 08:53 PM)muffinman Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 07:50 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  UCF fans want a H&H with Bama. Won't happen because UCF's stadium is too small. But Citrus Bowl in Orlando is big enough...they play Louisville there next year. Let's schedule it.

I dont think stadium size has much too do with it. I think Alabama, wrongly, assumes UCF is beneath them and there is too much risk playing them. They see it as a lose-lose. Alabama will only play the percieved top teams from other P5 conference or a FCS school for OOC games.
Then UCF should write them a check for the lost revenue from playing in a 40,000 seat stadium in the road vs. 100,000 at home. They might go for it.

25 million dollars to get your ass kicked. Write the check UCF, worth it.

http://gridironnow.com/alabama-home-game...ic-impact/
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(01-11-2018 09:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 08:53 PM)muffinman Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 07:50 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  UCF fans want a H&H with Bama. Won't happen because UCF's stadium is too small. But Citrus Bowl in Orlando is big enough...they play Louisville there next year. Let's schedule it.

I dont think stadium size has much too do with it. I think Alabama, wrongly, assumes UCF is beneath them and there is too much risk playing them. They see it as a lose-lose. Alabama will only play the percieved top teams from other P5 conference or a FCS school for OOC games.
Then UCF should write them a check for the lost revenue from playing in a 40,000 seat stadium in the road vs. 100,000 at home. They might go for it.

25 million dollars to get your ass kicked. Write the check UCF, worth it.

http://gridironnow.com/alabama-home-game...ic-impact/

Shere, I feel you generally put up mostly factual, if sometimes controversial, posts. But on this one, do you really actually think that $25 million is even close to accurate? Economic analyses regarding sports franchises have been widely debunked, and you are referencing a study regarding the economic impact of Alabama games released by the totally impartial authority of...The University of Alabama?
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RE: Would Alabama do game In the Citrus Bowl vs UCF in 2019?
(01-11-2018 11:37 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 08:53 PM)muffinman Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 07:50 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  UCF fans want a H&H with Bama. Won't happen because UCF's stadium is too small. But Citrus Bowl in Orlando is big enough...they play Louisville there next year. Let's schedule it.

I dont think stadium size has much too do with it. I think Alabama, wrongly, assumes UCF is beneath them and there is too much risk playing them. They see it as a lose-lose. Alabama will only play the percieved top teams from other P5 conference or a FCS school for OOC games.
Then UCF should write them a check for the lost revenue from playing in a 40,000 seat stadium in the road vs. 100,000 at home. They might go for it.

25 million dollars to get your ass kicked. Write the check UCF, worth it.

http://gridironnow.com/alabama-home-game...ic-impact/

Shere, I feel you generally put up mostly factual, if sometimes controversial, posts. But on this one, do you really actually think that $25 million is even close to accurate? Economic analyses regarding sports franchises have been widely debunked, and you are referencing a study regarding the economic impact of Alabama games released by the totally impartial authority of...The University of Alabama?

I mean, hell. After seeing this, I am going to advise the University of Memphis athletic department to never schedule away games again. I mean, that's what we're saying, right? Alabama has played exactly two true Road games in 10 years! I'm sorry, they are not going to get any pity from me.
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RE: Would Alabama do game In the Citrus Bowl vs UCF in 2019?
(01-11-2018 11:37 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 08:53 PM)muffinman Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 07:50 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  UCF fans want a H&H with Bama. Won't happen because UCF's stadium is too small. But Citrus Bowl in Orlando is big enough...they play Louisville there next year. Let's schedule it.

I dont think stadium size has much too do with it. I think Alabama, wrongly, assumes UCF is beneath them and there is too much risk playing them. They see it as a lose-lose. Alabama will only play the percieved top teams from other P5 conference or a FCS school for OOC games.
Then UCF should write them a check for the lost revenue from playing in a 40,000 seat stadium in the road vs. 100,000 at home. They might go for it.

25 million dollars to get your ass kicked. Write the check UCF, worth it.

http://gridironnow.com/alabama-home-game...ic-impact/

Shere, I feel you generally put up mostly factual, if sometimes controversial, posts. But on this one, do you really actually think that $25 million is even close to accurate? Economic analyses regarding sports franchises have been widely debunked, and you are referencing a study regarding the economic impact of Alabama games released by the totally impartial authority of...The University of Alabama?
Probably not far off if they calculate it from tax revenue. 100,000 x 250. Ticket, food, lodging, gas, concessions, etc. I was once told that school application even increase up to 10% in good football years. Idk, seems plausible.
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Not a home and home but UCF would do a kickoff game. UCF is not giving up a home game.
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(01-11-2018 07:50 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  UCF fans want a H&H with Bama. Won't happen because UCF's stadium is too small. But Citrus Bowl in Orlando is big enough...they play Louisville there next year. Let's schedule it.

Can someone explain the bolded statement to me? I see it all the time as an excuse for why big schools don't do road games, but it doesn't make any sense.

What's the difference to Alabama if they play a road game in a 45k stadium or a 100k stadium? They aren't making any money off road games either way. The payment for going on the road is getting a return game in your home stadium.

I get why they don't want to do any road games at all - they make a ton of money off home games and they aren't penalized for a cupcake OOC schedule. But if they did play a road game, why would stadium size matter?
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RE: Would Alabama do game In the Citrus Bowl vs UCF in 2019?
(01-12-2018 09:13 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 07:50 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  UCF fans want a H&H with Bama. Won't happen because UCF's stadium is too small. But Citrus Bowl in Orlando is big enough...they play Louisville there next year. Let's schedule it.

Can someone explain the bolded statement to me? I see it all the time as an excuse for why big schools don't do road games, but it doesn't make any sense.

What's the difference to Alabama if they play a road game in a 45k stadium or a 100k stadium? They aren't making any money off road games either way. The payment for going on the road is getting a return game in your home stadium.

I get why they don't want to do any road games at all - they make a ton of money off home games and they aren't penalized for a cupcake OOC schedule. But if they did play a road game, why would stadium size matter?

Because it is repeated enough for it to become the truth. Even though it isn't.

Here is truth: Alabama likes to cherry pick their OOC schedule so as to keep the con going.
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(01-12-2018 09:22 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 09:13 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 07:50 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  UCF fans want a H&H with Bama. Won't happen because UCF's stadium is too small. But Citrus Bowl in Orlando is big enough...they play Louisville there next year. Let's schedule it.

Can someone explain the bolded statement to me? I see it all the time as an excuse for why big schools don't do road games, but it doesn't make any sense.

What's the difference to Alabama if they play a road game in a 45k stadium or a 100k stadium? They aren't making any money off road games either way. The payment for going on the road is getting a return game in your home stadium.

I get why they don't want to do any road games at all - they make a ton of money off home games and they aren't penalized for a cupcake OOC schedule. But if they did play a road game, why would stadium size matter?

Because it is repeated enough for it to become the truth. Even though it isn't.

Here is truth: Alabama likes to cherry pick their OOC schedule so as to keep the con going.

The truth is that it works. They've done this forever.
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(01-11-2018 08:55 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  If they really, really want Alabama, agree to play them in Alabama.

They did, and they beat them.

Alabama just wants OOC wins...Saban's ability to find the one ****** team that's over-ranked every year is astonishing. By the time everyone realizes that the win against a Top 15 opponent in Game 1 of the season and their wins against LSU and "name random SEC West team who is undefeated against a cupcake OOC and overrated as **** every year) are now against teams struggling to win 8 games, the whole Alabama is god narrative is halfway down the mountain and gaining steam.
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(01-12-2018 11:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 08:55 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  If they really, really want Alabama, agree to play them in Alabama.

They did, and they beat them.

Alabama just wants OOC wins...Saban's ability to find the one ****** team that's over-ranked every year is astonishing. By the time everyone realizes that the win against a Top 15 opponent in Game 1 of the season and their wins against LSU and "name random SEC West team who is undefeated against a cupcake OOC and overrated as **** every year) are now against teams struggling to win 8 games, the whole Alabama is god narrative is halfway down the mountain and gaining steam.

I love the Bowlsby quote about how anybody can get up to play Auburn once, but only P5 teams have to play Auburn every week.

Who has to play an Auburn every week? Not Alabama. Bama's regular season schedule was trash except for 3 games: Auburn, LSU, and Miss St.

Well they lost to Auburn, so that shouldn't help Bama's argument. And UCF's wins over Memphis and USF are just as good as Bama's wins over LSU and Miss St.

Oh but the teams UCF beat by 40 are worse than the teams Bama beat by 40, so our SOS is a lot worse. Conveniently the factor that the committee decides is most important is the one we have almost no control over.
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TV Execs set up the neutral site kickoff games.

Three years in a row they have kicked off their season against teams with legit title aspirations in neutral locations and have largely sent those teams and their fans to a shrink’s couch for meds. Alabama (literally) broke a FSU team and ran its coach out of town for cover by teeing off on their starting QB in that 1st game last year. Year before it was USC that they ran off the field by about half a hundred to a field goal. Year before they toyed with WI.

Those three games in those venues would be the biggest hyped OOC games in forever for the AAC.

They have already had a bunch of guys declare for the draft and my guess is Bobby Petrino will look like he got caught wrecking his motorcycle again after that game next year. Don’t have to like Saban but you give him a month to prepare for anyone he tends to do ok.
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(01-12-2018 11:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 08:55 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  If they really, really want Alabama, agree to play them in Alabama.

They did, and they beat them.

Alabama just wants OOC wins...Saban's ability to find the one ****** team that's over-ranked every year is astonishing. By the time everyone realizes that the win against a Top 15 opponent in Game 1 of the season and their wins against LSU and "name random SEC West team who is undefeated against a cupcake OOC and overrated as **** every year) are now against teams struggling to win 8 games, the whole Alabama is god narrative is halfway down the mountain and gaining steam.

Ranked #1 during every season since 2008.

Top 10 finishes every year since 2008.

5 national titles since 2009.

A runner up and a semi final finish during that span.

Good Lord, if that is a narrative picking up speed I’d get the hell off the tracks.

We will probably never see a run like this in our lifetimes. This is as close to UCLA basketball under Wooden as we will come.
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(01-12-2018 12:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 08:55 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  If they really, really want Alabama, agree to play them in Alabama.

They did, and they beat them.

Alabama just wants OOC wins...Saban's ability to find the one ****** team that's over-ranked every year is astonishing. By the time everyone realizes that the win against a Top 15 opponent in Game 1 of the season and their wins against LSU and "name random SEC West team who is undefeated against a cupcake OOC and overrated as **** every year) are now against teams struggling to win 8 games, the whole Alabama is god narrative is halfway down the mountain and gaining steam.

Ranked #1 during every season since 2008.

Top 10 finishes every year since 2008.

5 national titles since 2009.

A runner up and a semi final finish during that span.

Good Lord, if that is a narrative picking up speed I’d get the hell off the tracks.

We will probably never see a run like this in our lifetimes. This is as close to UCLA basketball under Wooden as we will come.

Never said they weren't one of the best dynasties in collegiate sport, coached by arguably the best college football coach ever...in fact, I never said a word about their talent level at all. The argument for/against teams in the BCS/CFP era has always used their resume as a metric, and Bama gets a pass some years due to the perceived difficulty of their conference/schedule which isn't necessarily true (again, strictly speaking about their resume...anyone with eyes can clearly see they are, and have been for quite some time, one of the best teams in the country year in, year out).
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Concerning UCF's stadium and the Citrus Bowl stadium-

If the Citrus Bowl Stadium is so bad, why doesn't the Citrus Bowl committee work with UCF to upgrade the Knights' stadium to a first-class facility? UCF would use the stadium during the season. The yearly Citrus Bowl could host the bowl game. The Citrus Bowl could negotiate a pre-season opening game. Orlando is a destination city and playground. Tourism and conferences are something Orlando seeks. It seems logical to exploit something to each's benefit.
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(01-12-2018 12:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 08:55 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  If they really, really want Alabama, agree to play them in Alabama.

They did, and they beat them.

Alabama just wants OOC wins...Saban's ability to find the one ****** team that's over-ranked every year is astonishing. By the time everyone realizes that the win against a Top 15 opponent in Game 1 of the season and their wins against LSU and "name random SEC West team who is undefeated against a cupcake OOC and overrated as **** every year) are now against teams struggling to win 8 games, the whole Alabama is god narrative is halfway down the mountain and gaining steam.

Ranked #1 during every season since 2008.

Top 10 finishes every year since 2008.

5 national titles since 2009.

A runner up and a semi final finish during that span.

Good Lord, if that is a narrative picking up speed I’d get the hell off the tracks.

We will probably never see a run like this in our lifetimes. This is as close to UCLA basketball under Wooden as we will come.

excuse me....UConn women 05-stirthepot
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(01-12-2018 01:20 PM)chess Wrote:  Concerning UCF's stadium and the Citrus Bowl stadium-

If the Citrus Bowl Stadium is so bad, why doesn't the Citrus Bowl committee work with UCF to upgrade the Knights' stadium to a first-class facility? UCF would use the stadium during the season. The yearly Citrus Bowl could host the bowl game. The Citrus Bowl could negotiate a pre-season opening game. Orlando is a destination city and playground. Tourism and conferences are something Orlando seeks. It seems logical to exploit something to each's benefit.

There is bad blood between the Citrus Bowl folks or Florida Citrus Sports(FCS) and UCF from the way UCF was treated back in the days before the OCS. FCS feels that UCF is a lowly mid-major and they would rather deal with the P5 big boys.

However, the new CFP has destroyed the Citrus Bowl. FCS used to get the 2nd best B10 and 2nd best SEC every year for the biggest non-playoff/BCS bowl on New Years day. Now FCS can't even get a B10 team for some reason that I still don't fully understand (and I'm on the team selection committee). FCS has had to fill the Citrus Bowl spot with a 2nd ACC team. Remember that the Citrus Bowl hosts 2 bowls (Jan 1st and Dec 28th, Camping World bowl which is ACC vs B12). FCS is running out of quality ACC teams and there isn't a big desire for B12 teams to travel to Florida. Ideally, FCS and UCF can get over their differences and slot UCF in the Camping World bowl if they don't get a NY6 bowl.
FCS has also had some trouble getting kickoff classic games. FSU & Ole Miss played in 2016, they couldn't get 2 teams for 2017(UCF vs Memphis was tossed around), Alabama and Louisville play in 2018, Florida and Miami play in 2019. Danny White doesn't carry the old baggage and the current President of FCS is a deal maker, so hopefully something big happens in 2020!
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