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RE: ACC could expand to 16 and 17 team formate
(01-11-2018 08:37 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 01:35 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 01:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 01:13 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:38 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Connecticut will never get in due to bad blood over you trying to sue ACC. 07-coffee3

Umm...no. That talking point died in 2011 when the ACC invited Pittsburgh. Try again.

Time heals all wounds. Money does too. Mainly money.

Yeah, but the P5 and ACC fanboys, most especially the ACC fanboys, still cling to that talking point like it's some kind of special magical blanky that will make everything they say about UCONN come true.

Unless Swofford is no longer there, the vision will be towards Texas and Ohio. Unless ND wants to join and bring Navy as football only. ACC has moved to Football first and Basketball second in any future expansion. IMHO, ACC is hoping to get some B12 teams if the league dissolves in 2024. 10 years ago, I think UCONN would have been in the ACC hands down. Football is the reason UCONN is not in the ACC now and unless something drastically changes, it won't be in any time soon.

That's the 2012 excuse when the ACC took Louisville. That wasn't the case the year previous. In that instance, you trotted out that old lawsuit chestnut, then immediately doubled down on the stupid and invited the ringleaders of said lawsuit along with Syracuse.
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RE: ACC could expand to 16 and 17 team formate
(01-11-2018 10:21 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Given that the State of Florida is such a rich recruiting ground. I think the ACC should consider expanding to 16 teams in Football.

ACC North
Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Virginia Tech
North Carolina State
Central Florida
Miami

ACC South
Virginia
Duke
North Carolina
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
South Florida

Notre Dame same deal. ACC would have 17 teams for all other sports.
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No thanks to the U_F twins. Double duplication of market with no added benefit.

No way in hell NC State is going to be completely isolated from the rest of the NC schools and every other original member of the ACC.


If you want more Florida exposure you have three open OOC games to go get it. Play the U_F and F_U twins home and home until your heart is content.
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RE: ACC could expand to 16 and 17 team formate
(01-11-2018 09:00 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 08:37 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 01:35 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 01:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 01:13 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Umm...no. That talking point died in 2011 when the ACC invited Pittsburgh. Try again.

Time heals all wounds. Money does too. Mainly money.

Yeah, but the P5 and ACC fanboys, most especially the ACC fanboys, still cling to that talking point like it's some kind of special magical blanky that will make everything they say about UCONN come true.

Unless Swofford is no longer there, the vision will be towards Texas and Ohio. Unless ND wants to join and bring Navy as football only. ACC has moved to Football first and Basketball second in any future expansion. IMHO, ACC is hoping to get some B12 teams if the league dissolves in 2024. 10 years ago, I think UCONN would have been in the ACC hands down. Football is the reason UCONN is not in the ACC now and unless something drastically changes, it won't be in any time soon.

That's the 2012 excuse when the ACC took Louisville. That wasn't the case the year previous. In that instance, you trotted out that old lawsuit chestnut, then immediately doubled down on the stupid and invited the ringleaders of said lawsuit along with Syracuse.

The real reason is the UConn negatives far outweigh the positives and as the years tick on and you get further and further from the Calhoun days that gap grows larger and larger. If UConn brought anywhere near the value that their fanboys thought they would be in the ACC or another P5 conference. They don't and they aren't.
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RE: ACC could expand to 16 and 17 team formate
(01-11-2018 08:37 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 01:35 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 01:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 01:13 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:38 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Connecticut will never get in due to bad blood over you trying to sue ACC. 07-coffee3

Umm...no. That talking point died in 2011 when the ACC invited Pittsburgh. Try again.

Time heals all wounds. Money does too. Mainly money.

Yeah, but the P5 and ACC fanboys, most especially the ACC fanboys, still cling to that talking point like it's some kind of special magical blanky that will make everything they say about UCONN come true.

Unless Swofford is no longer there, the vision will be towards Texas and Ohio. Unless ND wants to join and bring Navy as football only. ACC has moved to Football first and Basketball second in any future expansion. IMHO, ACC is hoping to get some B12 teams if the league dissolves in 2024. 10 years ago, I think UCONN would have been in the ACC hands down. Football is the reason UCONN is not in the ACC now and unless something drastically changes, it won't be in any time soon.

Agree with ya on this, mostly ... but minor quibble with one point.

If there is a "next expansion", what will drive that bus is footprint, because there will be an ACC Network to support. So new markets will be a big consideration. So Texas and Ohio would be plum places to add to the conference.

But ... the ACC's football fortunes have reversed themselves since the last expansion (not solely because of the last expansion, but just naturally). So the need to "further bolster" the football side of things isn't nearly as great as it used to be. .... Now saying that does NOT mean that football will be ignored. It will still be important. But along with growing the footprint as well.

So ... to me ... that means better chances for schools like Cincy, UConn, Houston, Memphis, Temple, and especially P5 schools outside the footprint like Texas, Baylor, TCU, WVU, etc. And it means worse chances for schools like UCF, USF, East Carolina, etc.
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RE: ACC could expand to 16 and 17 team formate
If only there was an American team that has proven it can play with the ACC and brings a new market . . .

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RE: ACC could expand to 16 and 17 team formate
(01-11-2018 09:23 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  If only there was an American team that has proven it can play with the ACC and brings a new market . . .

2014
Houston 35 Pitt 34 (Armed Forces Bowl)

2015
Houston 34 @ Louisville 31
Houston 38 Florida St 24 (Peach Bowl)

2016
@ Houston 36 Louisville 10


Yeah Houston is being overlooked a lot in these threads. I could see them being a pretty valuable add, especially with an ACC Network in place.

There are a lot of deserving schools on the outside looking in. Houston is near the top of that list.
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RE: ACC could expand to 16 and 17 team formate
(01-11-2018 10:21 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Given that the State of Florida is such a rich recruiting ground. I think the ACC should consider expanding to 16 teams in Football.

ACC North
Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Virginia Tech
North Carolina State
Central Florida
Miami

ACC South
Virginia
Duke
North Carolina
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
South Florida

Notre Dame same deal. ACC would have 17 teams for all other sports.
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With all the hot water Louisville, Miami, and Syracuse have been getting into, I believe the ACC should recruit a couple of great schools in large markets (for the ACC Network) just like the Big 10. Who cares Rutgers isn't a football or a basketball school? Not the Big Ten.

Enter Tulane and Rice. Academic powerhouse? Check. Large market? Check? Expands the footprint? Check.

Miami, FSU, Tulane, and Rice can all be in the same division and battle it out in the Gulf for the Oil Rig Trophy!
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RE: ACC could expand to 16 and 17 team formate
(01-11-2018 09:53 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:21 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Given that the State of Florida is such a rich recruiting ground. I think the ACC should consider expanding to 16 teams in Football.

ACC North
Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Virginia Tech
North Carolina State
Central Florida
Miami

ACC South
Virginia
Duke
North Carolina
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
South Florida

Notre Dame same deal. ACC would have 17 teams for all other sports.
07-coffee3

With all the hot water Louisville, Miami, and Syracuse have been getting into, I believe the ACC should recruit a couple of great schools in large markets (for the ACC Network) just like the Big 10. Who cares Rutgers isn't a football or a basketball school? Not the Big Ten.

Enter Tulane and Rice. Academic powerhouse? Check. Large market? Check? Expands the footprint? Check.

Miami, FSU, Tulane, and Rice can all be in the same division and battle it out in the Gulf for the Oil Rig Trophy!

LOL at the UNC fan throwing stones at other programs.
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RE: ACC could expand to 16 and 17 team formate
(01-11-2018 04:59 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:38 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Connecticut will never get in due to bad blood over you trying to sue ACC. 07-coffee3

Syracuse and Pitt were a part of that law suit and they are both in.

If the big guys all expand to 16 members then UConn and Cincy will have new homes in a P5 conference or whatever they will call themselves.

Syracuse was never part of any lawsuit in regards to realignment.
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RE: ACC could expand to 16 and 17 team formate
(01-11-2018 09:23 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  If only there was an American team that has proven it can play with the ACC and brings a new market . . .

2014
Houston 35 Pitt 34 (Armed Forces Bowl)

2015
Houston 34 @ Louisville 31
Houston 38 Florida St 24 (Peach Bowl)

2016
@ Houston 36 Louisville 10

I have been a Houston advocate like I was Louisville . I think if the ACC did raid the AAC, SMU and Houston should be the two teams with the Dallas and Houston TV markets. Old SWC teams and neither team is hurting for money. I think that would be the right move if ND refuses once again and the B12 survives in the next CFP Contract.
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