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RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff
(01-11-2018 01:43 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 12:07 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:58 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:05 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:49 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Strongly, strongly opposed and think very small chance we do not finish out the 12 year contract.

With that said, if we get 8 teams at some point, I think people are looking at the Group of 5 spot wrong. People are arguing for and against a guarenteed spot, but I think there will be something in the middle. The most likely outcome in my view would be they would have the highest Group of 5 champion (or possibly independent) in if they are either ranked above a power 5 conference champ or are in top 12/14. That's basically what the BCS did, and I think would be similar here. They are not going to put the Group of 5 champ in if they are a 2 loss team barely in the top 25 (like Boise State the first year of the CFP).

There's also the question of how they deal with independents and I have not seen a lot of talk on that. If the Group of 5 and Power 5 conferences have a spot they can get, while not being in the top 8, then independents would be the only teams without that possibility and, if fact, would probably have to make top 5/6 or so most years to account for other teams below them getting in. Notre Dame is going to either push hard for no auto-bids at all (so they can get in at #8) or want to be included in one. While appeasing Notre Dame is not absolutely necessary, they have a seat at the table here and contrary to popular belief, the rest the conferences really are not pushing the Irish into a conference (outside their own, they would rather Notre Dame be independent than play in a rival conference). I see three ways they could handle this.

1. Independents are guarenteed a spot in if in top 8. The logic here is that independents cannot win or lose a conference and thus if they are in the top 8 (the teams that would be in if we ignored conference championships), they should be in. Unlike others, they could neither get in ranked less than 8 and never be left out if in the top 8.

2. Independents and Group of 5 share a spot. They might or might not have the same rules for getting it (maybe independents have to be in top 10 to take, while Group of 5 could be top 14).

3. No compromise from the other powers and independents treated as just an at large. Mostly likely, especially if highest Group of 5 champ given a way in, this would effectively mean independents would probably have to be in the top 6 or so most years to get in. I don't really think this would push the Irish anywhere, but they would push against it strongly.


The question has already been answered about ND/Independents.

All the P5 champs plus the highest ranking G5. If Notre Dame is rated higher than the next two P5 runner ups then ND gets a playoff berth.

There's no way the powers that be will agree to a G5 autobid over ND.

The networks will never agree to taking a 2 loss Boise (for example) over a 2 loss ND in the playoffs. I'd venture to say that with ND's relationship with the ACC that they'd be in that camp as well.

IF the playoff would expand to 8, the best you'd see is either the committee placing 8 teams or P5 autobids with 3 wild cards.

Does that actually apply if ND has a 5 win 7 loss record?

At the end of the season Central Florida was ranked #12 and Notre Dame was #14.

Assuming 8 teams in this year's playoff, why would ND leap frog the other four P5 schools?

Your reasoning is flawed.

Not at all.

My point was the G5 is no more deserving of a guaranteed spot than ND. That doesn't mean ND should have one, but all things being equal, a 2 loss ND belongs in the playoffs WAY before a 2 loss king of the G5. Hence the 5 champs and 3 wild cards.

There's also no way the P5 will allow an autobid for the G5 over any of their runner ups.

You're whole argument is based on this year's UCF. An undefeated G5 is the exception, not the rule and none of the power brokers are going to make major changes based on one team and one year.

There would be 2 wildcards for them. The reality is an 8 game system would have 75% increase in P5 slots and would GUARANTEE every P5 champ participates in the post season. Thats what the sucks most about the current system. One or two P5's every year currently plays a full season of games plus a CCG to crown a champ who isnt allowed in the playoff. That aint going to last.
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RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff
(01-11-2018 02:04 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
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(01-11-2018 11:14 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I dont understand the whole protect the regular season thing? If you win your conference and you are in the regular season is still very important. Also there are the at-large spots that are important as well which keeps the regular season as an importance. You would still want to win all your games as there is a chance you could lose the conference championship and want to be able to get the at-large spot.

Needs to be:
ACC Champ
BIG Champ
B12 Champ
SEC Champ
PAC Champ
G5 Champ
At-Large
At-Large

First Round week after conference championship played on campus. This year;
8 UCF @ 1 Clemson
Winners Play in Sugar Bowl
5 Ohio State @ 4 Alabama

6 Wisconsin @ 3 Georgia
Winners Play in Rose Bowl
7 USC @ 2 Oklahoma

There just isn't a compelling reason why that G5 Champ should be in there.

I could see them being an at-large team but not an automatic.

G5 champ has a winning record against P5 in access bowls. If there's going to be any auto-bids there will be one for the G5.

And the G5 record is even better when adding the BCS era games.
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RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff
Malzahn wants 8 because Auburn was ranked #7 and would have gotten in that way.

Nothing really deeper to it than that. 07-coffee3
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RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff
(01-11-2018 02:02 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The eight team playoff is also big for the home teams. How much money could Alabama or Clemson make off a home playoff game. $200 a ticket x 100,000 (not including student or luxury seating, just a rough number). That is $20,000,000 in revenue!

I seriously doubt anyone is going to sign onto a playoff system in which 8 teams qualify, but only 4 of them get to keep the gate receipts and the other 4 get squat.
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RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff
Here's the way you do it:

4 highest rated conference champs (regardless of conference)

4 highest ranked teams after those 4 are selected

This gives a high degree of certainty that we will see the champions of all P5 conferences in the playoff unless one of them produces a champ outside of the top 8 (and at that point you have no credible claim to a playoff spot).

It also gives the G5, ND, and BYU a path to a title too without using up a permanent spot for the G5.

In 2017:

Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, and Ohio St get in for winning their conferences.
Alabama, Wisconsin, Auburn, and USC get in based on rank.

Top 4 Conference Champs host opening round. The NY6 host the Semi-finals on a rotating basis.

Opening Round losers get slots in the other 4 NY6 bowls (1 per bowl) where they face the next 3 highest ranked teams plus a G5 champ if one did not qualify for the playoff.
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RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff
(01-11-2018 04:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Malzahn wants 8 because Auburn was ranked #7 and would have gotten in that way.

Nothing really deeper to it than that. 07-coffee3

No. Gus wants 8 because Gus knows that Auburn wont get the kind of benefit of the doubt 'Bama received if Auburn is the 3rd place team in the SEC. And frankly, every coach who is for 8 wants 8 because it increases their ability to get in.

That said, I want 8 ONLY if the G5 gets an automatic slot and if the P5 champs are auto-bids. I want the committee responsible for filling as few slots as possible. I want to minimize the impact of the ice skating judges.
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RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff
(01-11-2018 04:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Malzahn wants 8 because Auburn was ranked #7 and would have gotten in that way.

Nothing really deeper to it than that. 07-coffee3

Somehow, though, I suspect that if we had an 8 team playoff this year, Auburn would not have been ranked #7. As long as being #7 is no more significant than being #11 it's relatively easy to give them props for their late season wins against Georgia and Alabama, and ignore the fact that before their bowl game they were only 3-3 away from home.
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RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff
(01-11-2018 06:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 04:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Malzahn wants 8 because Auburn was ranked #7 and would have gotten in that way.

Nothing really deeper to it than that. 07-coffee3

Somehow, though, I suspect that if we had an 8 team playoff this year, Auburn would not have been ranked #7. As long as being #7 is no more significant than being #11 it's relatively easy to give them props for their late season wins against Georgia and Alabama, and ignore the fact that before their bowl game they were only 3-3 away from home.

lol...never noticed that.
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RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff
(01-11-2018 04:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Malzahn wants 8 because Auburn was ranked #7 and would have gotten in that way.

Nothing really deeper to it than that. 07-coffee3

Maybe so, but I think Auburn and Washington would have been snubbed. Wisconsin would have gotten in because politics that they are, there would have been was too many objections to 3 SEC schools, and would have forced the committee to choose between Alabama and Auburn. Well we know who they chose already. So Auburn would still be out with 8 teams.
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RE: Gus Malzahn wants 8-team playoff
Gosh, this is all hogwash
College football is much bigger than just 5 conferences that have most everything and they want to eliminate all who is not p5 and have their own champion, this much we know is true
So, what happens with the other 5 conferences?
It seems most g5 people are ok with only one team to represent all 63 teams in this p5 league playoffs, how demeaning!
If the g5 completely split off from the NCAA and just create their own division with a real playoff and hope to god NBC or whoever puts up enough money to make a real go at it and mybe some day both FBS D1 divisions will play a collegiate “ super bowl” for all sports really and what about the Olympic sports ?
It would no longer be “ g5”, it would be “G power”
This is my dream and I approve of my dream
Ok, how many of ya think this is stupid ?
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