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RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
Fordham is really not the driver of much in the A-10. Fordham is really seen by many in the league a cautionary tale for the A-10 about 'markets'. Davidson actually works well for the league. Many of our teams recruit down there and they contribute. They also appear to be happy in the league as well.
01-15-2018 11:41 PM
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RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-15-2018 02:52 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't see more northeastern schools getting into the A10. Siena and Hofstra have been trying for ages...if it happens for them, it's because the conference is virtually gutted of anything relevant.

It would be interesting what Davidson would lobby for. CoC maybe. I personally don't understand the appeal for basketball prestige (they were good in ASun, and it's like we've been waiting for them ever since to really emerge in SoCon and CAA) over UNCW, but CoC pushes the border south and into a good coastal city.

Siena is actually perceived by many in the league as the number 1 target if there's an opening. I don't get it either. But there are some connected people on the A-10 board that seem to be very confident of that fact. Every team in the CAA would take a A-10 bid if offered. Every team in the America East would do the same. Just like every team in the A-10 would take a bid to the Big East.

Regarding Siena. They have the advantage of being close, but not too close, to many of our existing teams. St Bona really wants them. Fordham does too. So does UMass and URI. I don't think the southern teams really want an Albany based team in the league, but it might help with travel.

UNCW? Possible. But I'd guess that they'd be around 8th or 9th on the list. Ahead of JMU though. If Davidson left, then they'd be higher. Either way, the A-10 has 14 teams, and doesn't really need any more teams. College of Charleston? Probably around 8th or 9th.

BTW, UNCW and Charleston are probably better programs than some teams in the A-10. But that's not how things work.
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01-15-2018 11:42 PM
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RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
One thing, Fordham is pretty strong in some other non-revenue sports. Their men's soccer team made a nice run this season in the NCAA Tournament. I know that is a minor thing, but overall athletic program does play into decision making.
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RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-15-2018 11:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 02:52 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't see more northeastern schools getting into the A10. Siena and Hofstra have been trying for ages...if it happens for them, it's because the conference is virtually gutted of anything relevant.

It would be interesting what Davidson would lobby for. CoC maybe. I personally don't understand the appeal for basketball prestige (they were good in ASun, and it's like we've been waiting for them ever since to really emerge in SoCon and CAA) over UNCW, but CoC pushes the border south and into a good coastal city.

Siena is actually perceived by many in the league as the number 1 target if there's an opening. I don't get it either. But there are some connected people on the A-10 board that seem to be very confident of that fact. Every team in the CAA would take a A-10 bid if offered. Every team in the America East would do the same. Just like every team in the A-10 would take a bid to the Big East.

Regarding Siena. They have the advantage of being close, but not too close, to many of our existing teams. St Bona really wants them. Fordham does too. So does UMass and URI. I don't think the southern teams really want an Albany based team in the league, but it might help with travel.

UNCW? Possible. But I'd guess that they'd be around 8th or 9th on the list. Ahead of JMU though. If Davidson left, then they'd be higher. Either way, the A-10 has 14 teams, and doesn't really need any more teams. College of Charleston? Probably around 8th or 9th.

BTW, UNCW and Charleston are probably better programs than some teams in the A-10. But that's not how things work.

I highly doubt you will get another northern team in the unless it is to replace a departing northern team like UMass. If St Louis were to leave there would likely be a push from the southern schools to replace with another school south of DC. There is a strong southern block of schools who must be taken into consideration. Sienna for St Louis' spot doesn't make any sense for southern schools
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RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like unless a program's at the point where they're potentially adding an at-large bid the A-10 doesn't really need to be adding anyone again until they dip below like 11 teams. Given that the only real plausible losses are St. Louis and/or Dayton to the BE and/or UMass to an FBS-sponsoring conference (although they appear to be AAC or bust, and I don't think that's happening) and MAYBE at some point Fordham deemphasizes athletics and goes to the Patriot (although I think that's very unlikely) they should probably just use it as an opportunity to consolidate their geography a bit and double down on developing their current brands.
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I realize that the point of this board is to perpetuate bonkers theories, but just to refute and clarify re: the AE and CAA.

1.) The name of the conference is "America East." Calling it "American East" is a pretty good sign you don't know what you are talking about.

2.) UVM or Hartford aren't these rogue holdouts who don't want AE to sponsor football because they don't sponsor the sport. Frankly, I bet they either don't care, or would love their basketball rivals to lose more money on football so they have an easier go in basketball. You know who are at the top of the list for not wanting a New England/New York based AE football conference? Maine, New Hampshire, Stony Brook and Albany. They love being in a conference with Delaware, Villanova, Richmond, JMU, etc. The CAA is one of the top two FCS football leagues. AE football wouldn't be. Maine, in particular, recruits New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Virginia more than Massachusetts and the other New England states. They are in the football conference they want to be in.

3.) BU didn't kill AE football. Neither did Northeastern. You know what killed AE football? Delaware, Hofstra, Towson and Drexel leaving the league for the CAA. If they had stayed, the conference makeup for football would likely be identical but the banner would be "America East" not "CAA." When they left, the numbers shifted, and when the A-10 no longer had the most members, the CAA did. Either way, all schools are full members of the football conference. No affiliates.

4.) BU DID kill AE hockey. Word was that BC and Providence were okay with Hockey East becoming some version of America East, but BU had it's foot out the door already (or had dreams of leaving) and didn't want to sacrifice any of its power in the hockey league office.

5.) BU isn't keeping NU out of the Patriot- NU's academics and not so distant past as a commuter school are. BU is barely within the parameters of what the Patriot wants its members to be (if you squint) as the only large city school in the conference (BU is twice the size of American), Northeastern is BU with inferior academics. NU left the AE for the CAA when the CAA still had ODU, VCU and GMU and thought it was moving to a top flight basketball league. Obviously, that didn't shake out. They are still strivers though, and they aren't going to park their sports in the Patriot League that doesn't aspire to much athletically. BU left AE because they finally realized they weren't getting into the A-10. They wanted their sports to raise the school's profile, and when they realized that wasn't happening, they decided to leverage their decent athletics for an association with better educational institutions.

6.) Long story short, these are all one bid conferences in basketball and most other sports besides football, men's soccer, and ice hockey. Why the heck would they merge and make it harder for their members to get automatic bids? There's no huge check waiting for anyone if they combine and provide games for someone to air. The AE is a geographically compact group of northeast publics. You have the flagships of three small states (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont). You have the "second" state school of Massachusetts and Maryland. You have the three non-Buffalo D-I SUNYs. And there's Hartford who are a bit of an academic outlier but are a good league citizen. Maybe CCSU fits better, but they have nowhere to put football if they leave the NEC, so whatever.

Maybe Stony Brook or Albany gets a wandering eye thinking they could be FBS (not happening unless they get big donors, the state legislature isn't letting the money flow, and Binghamton's basketball scandal encouraged all three SUNYs to adopt a "stay in your lane" mentality with their athletics), but CAA doesn't get them much. Instead of beating each other and Vermont they would have to beat each other, UNCW and about six more schools to win the basketball league, and take a lot more flights to do it.
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Excellent post and welcome, CCD
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2nd! I especially agree with his comparison of BU to N'eastern. (I live near Boston)
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