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RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-11-2018 05:00 PM)McKinney Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 04:43 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  I know it’s incredibly unlikely but I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the Eastern 8/A-10 (original members: PSU, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Villanova, GW, UMass, Duquesne) had decided to add football when it was formed in the late ‘70s and Syracuse, BC and Temple joined to be in a conference with Penn State and Pitt instead of Pitt and Villanova leaving the Eastern 8 for the Big East. Would PSU have left for the B1G? Does Maryland join? Do the football schools eventually break away? Does the Big East become a power basketball conference without Syracuse and Villanova being members? Do UMass and GW become the “powers” instead of UConn and Georgetown? A lot of things could have changed.

This would have been the hypothetical original line-up:
All Sports: PSU, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Syracuse, BC, Temple (potentially add an 8th team, maybe Maryland but not likely that would have been possible at the time).
Basketball: Villanova, GW, UMass, Duquesne

Unlikely that we would have become a "power". The University of Massachusetts system was a total mess during the 70s, we removed flagship status from Amherst and fell asleep at the wheel in athletics (and academics). In '78 we made the choice to go from the College Division (already a poor choice we had outgrown in the prior two decades) to I-AA.

We should have gone I-A and been another voice in favor of Paterno's Eastern Conference. At that time we were already competing with I-A or University Division teams with wins against Boston College, Holy Cross, Rutgers, Harvard, and Dartmouth among others.

It would be interesting how football/conferences would have develop if UMass, and had New York designated flagships and went all in on a school.
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RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
(01-11-2018 05:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It would be interesting how football/conferences would have develop if UMass, and had New York designated flagships and went all in on a school.

Luckily we regained flagship status in 2003. Since then we've grown exponentially in terms of academic facilities, research, applications, and admissions selectivity. We do however still have a long way to go, the glaringly obvious problem being our endowment. Nine years after being designated we made the move to FBS. Obviously we're not where we'd like to be but it's a work in progress.
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(01-11-2018 11:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The A-10, America East, and the CAA have zero problems with geography. Although, St Louis is a bit of an outlier, but the A-10 can afford it. Not a problem.

I gotta disagree with you there on the CAA. They need divisions badly. A one bid round robin league that spans from Charleston to Boston is not sustainable. Throw in the public/private divide and the football/non football divide and you have a mess. Even if the CAA doesn't officially split into divisions, they need to model after the A10 and get a northern block and a southern block so travel costs can be better contained
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(01-11-2018 09:33 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Is there a plausible way for those 3 to merge down into 2? Perhaps north and south? (North=NY state and New England)

WHY? 01-wingedeagle
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Wolf: was thinking to create north and south conferences.
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(01-11-2018 08:03 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Wolf: was thinking to create north and south conferences.

As much as I would love to see regional conferences, those days appear to be long gone. Then again, I have gotten to the age when I see future schedules like the ACC/ND have to realize I may not be here when the last year comes. 03-wink
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(01-11-2018 06:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The A-10, America East, and the CAA have zero problems with geography. Although, St Louis is a bit of an outlier, but the A-10 can afford it. Not a problem.

I gotta disagree with you there on the CAA. They need divisions badly. A one bid round robin league that spans from Charleston to Boston is not sustainable. Throw in the public/private divide and the football/non football divide and you have a mess. Even if the CAA doesn't officially split into divisions, they need to model after the A10 and get a northern block and a southern block so travel costs can be better contained

I think the CAA's problems are 1) football 2) public vs private 3) geography. In that order. The real problem is that for smaller conferences, you can either focus on football or basketball. Try to do both and it doesn't work.

The best thing that ever happened to the A-10 was when the CAA 'stole' the FCS league from the A-10.
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(01-11-2018 08:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 06:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The A-10, America East, and the CAA have zero problems with geography. Although, St Louis is a bit of an outlier, but the A-10 can afford it. Not a problem.

I gotta disagree with you there on the CAA. They need divisions badly. A one bid round robin league that spans from Charleston to Boston is not sustainable. Throw in the public/private divide and the football/non football divide and you have a mess. Even if the CAA doesn't officially split into divisions, they need to model after the A10 and get a northern block and a southern block so travel costs can be better contained

I think the CAA's problems are 1) football 2) public vs private 3) geography. In that order. The real problem is that for smaller conferences, you can either focus on football or basketball. Try to do both and it doesn't work.

The best thing that ever happened to the A-10 was when the CAA 'stole' the FCS league from the A-10.

That I agree with. It's unfortunate how it all happened.

After Richmond to the A10 nixed the SoCon CAA union, the CAA was desperate and thus convinced Delaware and co to join after the AEast votes down absorbing the CAA 5 from VA. This made getting football in the CAA name a priority. Ever since then, outside of Charleston, schools have been added for FCS football instead of basketball.
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RE: America East, A-10 and CAA consolidate?
Atlantic 10 & CAA both need northern schools.
if BE & American expand, it will expedite the need for northern schools
MAAC & Patriot still have room

with 3 state schools [UV, NH & Maine] & 3 NY schools [Birm, SB & Albany]
AE will get picked apart
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(01-11-2018 10:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Wonder if the America East and the CAA could be consolidated?

This is more the question IMO.
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