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RE: Trump proposes Medicaid work requirements
(01-11-2018 11:09 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:51 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  The problem is that you will need bureaucrats who will manage things properly...and they do not exist.

The result will be 95-year old cancer patients denied coverage and 40 year old drug dealers forging their way with a resume on a napkin.



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Who cares as long as we get to keep more of our money right?01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle
If you get to keep a few more cents...it'll just run up the debt a few more cents...because they won't actually stop spending.

Republicans are afraid to actually change the system, so they piddle around the edges like this.

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RE: Trump proposes Medicaid work requirements
(01-11-2018 11:17 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:09 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:51 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  The problem is that you will need bureaucrats who will manage things properly...and they do not exist.

The result will be 95-year old cancer patients denied coverage and 40 year old drug dealers forging their way with a resume on a napkin.



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Who cares as long as we get to keep more of our money right?01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle
If you get to keep a few more cents...it'll just run up the debt a few more cents...because they won't actually stop spending.

Republicans are afraid to actually change the system, so they piddle around the edges like this.

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Yeah I agree. But stuff like this plays well with that 30 % of the country.
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RE: Trump proposes Medicaid work requirements
(01-11-2018 11:17 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:09 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:51 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  The problem is that you will need bureaucrats who will manage things properly...and they do not exist.
The result will be 95-year old cancer patients denied coverage and 40 year old drug dealers forging their way with a resume on a napkin.
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Who cares as long as we get to keep more of our money right?01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle
If you get to keep a few more cents...it'll just run up the debt a few more cents...because they won't actually stop spending.
Republicans are afraid to actually change the system, so they piddle around the edges like this.
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This is what drives me up the wall. There are much better ways to run health and welfare. They are out there today working well. There are better ways to tax. They are out there today and working. But instead of changing the systems to something better, republicans seem content just to spend less on democrat programs. Democrat lite instead of change for the better.

Bismarck health care to replace Medicaid and ultimately phase out Medicare. A guaranteed minimum basic income to replace our welfare hodgepodge. Pay for it with a consumption tax which generates enough additional revenues to balance the budget and lower and flatten income tax rates. Make that a true alternative platform. Is that conservative? If you accept Barry Goldwater’s principle of, “proven ways, not because they are old but because they are true,” then not just yes but hell yes. These are things that work where they have been tried. They are based on providing a safety net, not massive redistribution of wealth and income. That makes them conservative in my book.

You can argue that “tax and spend” democrats are right or you can argue that “deficit and spend” republicans are right. I would say that neither is right—and neither is conservative.
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RE: Trump proposes Medicaid work requirements
(01-11-2018 12:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:17 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:09 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:51 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  The problem is that you will need bureaucrats who will manage things properly...and they do not exist.
The result will be 95-year old cancer patients denied coverage and 40 year old drug dealers forging their way with a resume on a napkin.
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Who cares as long as we get to keep more of our money right?01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle
If you get to keep a few more cents...it'll just run up the debt a few more cents...because they won't actually stop spending.
Republicans are afraid to actually change the system, so they piddle around the edges like this.
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This is what drives me up the wall. There are much better ways to run health and welfare. They are out there today working well. There are better ways to tax. They are out there today and working. But instead of changing the systems to something better, republicans seem content just to spend less on democrat programs. Democrat lite instead of change for the better.

Bismarck health care to replace Medicaid and ultimately phase out Medicare. A guaranteed minimum basic income to replace our welfare hodgepodge. Pay for it with a consumption tax which generates enough additional revenues to balance the budget and lower and flatten income tax rates. Make that a true alternative platform. Is that conservative? If you accept Barry Goldwater’s principle of, “proven ways, not because they are old but because they are true,” then he’ll yes. These are things that work where they have been tried. They are based on providing a safety net, not massive distribution of wealth and income. That makes them conservative in my book.

You can argue that “tax and spend” democrats are right or you can argue that “deficit and spend” republicans are right. I would say that neither is right—and neither is conservative.
Pretty much matches my opinions.

At some point in the past conservatism had an intellectual component that was constantly proposing new ideas under the conservative philosophy and trying to be creative. That seems to have gone away to some extent leaving us with a minimalized unchanging set of disjointed maxims.

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Trump proposes Medicaid work requirements
My concern. If Dad is a slug will that knock his children off Medicaid?
Also what happens if Joe Smith is hit by an uninsured driver and losses his job and has applied for disability? Odds are he’s looking at 24 months before disability is approved then up to another 24 months before he qualifies for Medicare as being disabled. That up to four years with no treatment if the work requirements catch him. And you can just exempt people if they’ve only applied but not been approved because you’ll flood the system with applications after seven straight years of declines in applications and declining numbers of people on disability.


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RE: Trump proposes Medicaid work requirements
(01-11-2018 12:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:17 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:09 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:51 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  The problem is that you will need bureaucrats who will manage things properly...and they do not exist.
The result will be 95-year old cancer patients denied coverage and 40 year old drug dealers forging their way with a resume on a napkin.
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Who cares as long as we get to keep more of our money right?01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle
If you get to keep a few more cents...it'll just run up the debt a few more cents...because they won't actually stop spending.
Republicans are afraid to actually change the system, so they piddle around the edges like this.
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This is what drives me up the wall. There are much better ways to run health and welfare. They are out there today working well. There are better ways to tax. They are out there today and working. But instead of changing the systems to something better, republicans seem content just to spend less on democrat programs. Democrat lite instead of change for the better.

Bismarck health care to replace Medicaid and ultimately phase out Medicare. A guaranteed minimum basic income to replace our welfare hodgepodge. Pay for it with a consumption tax which generates enough additional revenues to balance the budget and lower and flatten income tax rates. Make that a true alternative platform. Is that conservative? If you accept Barry Goldwater’s principle of, “proven ways, not because they are old but because they are true,” then not just yes but hell yes. These are things that work where they have been tried. They are based on providing a safety net, not massive distribution of wealth and income. That makes them conservative in my book.

You can argue that “tax and spend” democrats are right or you can argue that “deficit and spend” republicans are right. I would say that neither is right—and neither is conservative.

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gotta start blowing up the status quo somehow....and as I've stated on too many occasions, we see the same thing but view from a different lens relative to the 'how'

it's going to be interesting to see how this 'experiment' plays out.....so far, so good.....
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RE: Trump proposes Medicaid work requirements
(01-11-2018 10:02 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:51 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  The problem is that you will need bureaucrats who will manage things properly...and they do not exist.

The result will be 95-year old cancer patients denied coverage and 40 year old drug dealers forging their way with a resume on a napkin.



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We're not dealing with 95 year olds here, nor 8 year olds. We will be dealing with 50% of all medicaid recipients. The ones that fall between 19 and 64, who until now, were allowed to sit on their ass and have their healthcare paid for by the working american.

If its too much for a bureaucrat to handle, we can simply shut off medicaid for that age group altogether.


There are people between 19 and 64 who can't work with some type of disabilities and health issues that prevents them from working. The problem that I am seeing is completely wrong is that Meth users could get SSI because they call addictions as a disability. They were not born that way. It is a choice for them to ruin their bodies. While people who are born with a disability or had an accident that they got a broken backs are having a hard time to get SSI. That is where some of the reform needs to take place. When people who do have a disability are having troubles getting SSI, Medicaid department would think that you are able to work when they are not.
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RE: Trump proposes Medicaid work requirements
(01-11-2018 04:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:02 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:51 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  The problem is that you will need bureaucrats who will manage things properly...and they do not exist.

The result will be 95-year old cancer patients denied coverage and 40 year old drug dealers forging their way with a resume on a napkin.



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We're not dealing with 95 year olds here, nor 8 year olds. We will be dealing with 50% of all medicaid recipients. The ones that fall between 19 and 64, who until now, were allowed to sit on their ass and have their healthcare paid for by the working american.

If its too much for a bureaucrat to handle, we can simply shut off medicaid for that age group altogether.


There are people between 19 and 64 who can't work with some type of disabilities and health issues that prevents them from working. The problem that I am seeing is completely wrong is that Meth users could get SSI because they call addictions as a disability. They were not born that way. It is a choice for them to ruin their bodies. While people who are born with a disability or had an accident that they got a broken backs are having a hard time to get SSI. That is where some of the reform needs to take place. When people who do have a disability are having troubles getting SSI, Medicaid department would think that you are able to work when they are not.

Government is just as bad at charity as it is at most other things.

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RE: Trump proposes Medicaid work requirements
(01-11-2018 12:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:17 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 11:09 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:51 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  The problem is that you will need bureaucrats who will manage things properly...and they do not exist.
The result will be 95-year old cancer patients denied coverage and 40 year old drug dealers forging their way with a resume on a napkin.
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Who cares as long as we get to keep more of our money right?01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle
If you get to keep a few more cents...it'll just run up the debt a few more cents...because they won't actually stop spending.
Republicans are afraid to actually change the system, so they piddle around the edges like this.
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This is what drives me up the wall. There are much better ways to run health and welfare. They are out there today working well. There are better ways to tax. They are out there today and working. But instead of changing the systems to something better, republicans seem content just to spend less on democrat programs. Democrat lite instead of change for the better.

Bismarck health care to replace Medicaid and ultimately phase out Medicare. A guaranteed minimum basic income to replace our welfare hodgepodge. Pay for it with a consumption tax which generates enough additional revenues to balance the budget and lower and flatten income tax rates. Make that a true alternative platform. Is that conservative? If you accept Barry Goldwater’s principle of, “proven ways, not because they are old but because they are true,” then not just yes but hell yes. These are things that work where they have been tried. They are based on providing a safety net, not massive redistribution of wealth and income. That makes them conservative in my book.

You can argue that “tax and spend” democrats are right or you can argue that “deficit and spend” republicans are right. I would say that neither is right—and neither is conservative.

And while you're at it, decriminalize marijuana and make abortion legal with restrictions and focus on making the alternatives such as adoption less difficult and expensive. That includes the basic concept that adoption by a gay couple is better than abortion.

Let republicans be the party of economic and personal freedom with a safety net. Let democrats be the collectivists/redistributionists/socialists/communists. Make it about issues and not personalities. Unless they are running against Hillary, republicans can't win a personality contest, but they can win a contest of ideas. I think that's a win for the republicans. It certainly wins my vote.
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(01-11-2018 09:30 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  [Image: 282j8zn.jpg]

They're talking about YOU, brother in law.
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