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RE: Killing the BIG XII
Here is my take on this:

Big 10
Oklahoma
Kansas

SEC
TCU
West Virginia

PAC 12
Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
Kansas State

American
Baylor
Iowa State

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RE: Killing the BIG XII
(01-11-2018 08:26 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  School (destination)

ISU (MAC)
KU (B1G)
KSU (MWC)
OU,OSU,TT,UT (PAC-XII)
WVU (AAC)
Baylor,TCU (SEC)

Everyone reasonably happy, nobody in ridiculously isolated situation.

WVU definitely gets into the SEC over Baylor and maybe TCU as well. I'm not sure the SEC would take any of the three though.

Iowa St would go MWC or AAC over the MAC.
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RE: Killing the BIG XII
PAC 18

Texas, Texas tech, OU, OSU, KU, KSU

ACC

Wvu

AAC

Iowa state, TCU, Baylor
01-11-2018 10:46 AM
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Gamecock: your first point is probably true. But ISU would end up WORSE off, geographically, in either of those conferences.
01-11-2018 10:47 AM
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RE: Killing the BIG XII
(01-11-2018 10:10 AM)Bogg Wrote:  The Big 12 isn't going to go away entirely. In the event of defections when the current GOR is up the Big 12 will lose somewhere between 3 and 5 teams and then backfill with some combination of AAC and Mountain West teams, plus maybe Rice.

My guess? The whole linchpin is Kansas. Texas is always going to have options, but if Kansas gets an attractive offer from a more stable conference they'll have to seriously consider it, and that could spook Oklahoma into being proactive. If that happens the gears necessary to force Texas to make a move are in motion.

Definitely agree with your thoughts. The most likely expansion scenario IMO is below.

Kansas and Oklahoma to Big 10
Texas and OK State to Pac

That would leave the remaining conference at:

West Virginia (Possible ACC target)
Kansas St
Iowa St
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor

Then adding schools from the following:

Houston
Cincinnati
Memphis
UCF
USF
BYU
SMU

In the end, the new Big 12 will likely be a better version of the American with a heavy presence in Texas. Again, this all doesn't happen if they just extend their GOR, but I would say there is a decent chance they don't.
01-11-2018 10:57 AM
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RE: Killing the BIG XII
(01-11-2018 10:57 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:10 AM)Bogg Wrote:  The Big 12 isn't going to go away entirely. In the event of defections when the current GOR is up the Big 12 will lose somewhere between 3 and 5 teams and then backfill with some combination of AAC and Mountain West teams, plus maybe Rice.

My guess? The whole linchpin is Kansas. Texas is always going to have options, but if Kansas gets an attractive offer from a more stable conference they'll have to seriously consider it, and that could spook Oklahoma into being proactive. If that happens the gears necessary to force Texas to make a move are in motion.

Definitely agree with your thoughts. The most likely expansion scenario IMO is below.

Kansas and Oklahoma to Big 10
Texas and OK State to Pac

That would leave the remaining conference at:

West Virginia (Possible ACC target)
Kansas St
Iowa St
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor

Then adding schools from the following:

Houston
Cincinnati
Memphis
UCF
USF
BYU
SMU

In the end, the new Big 12 will likely be a better version of the American with a heavy presence in Texas. Again, this all doesn't happen if they just extend their GOR, but I would say there is a decent chance they don't.

Yea, this isn't that far off. If Texas is headed to the PAC I think they insist on Tech, and the Pac would give it to them. Other than that whether or not WVU gets picked up by someone probably determines whether the conference goes East (in the north, FLA doesn't count) of Cincy with adds, but in general I agree.
01-11-2018 11:03 AM
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RE: Killing the BIG XII
(01-11-2018 08:38 AM)PGEMF Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 08:26 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  School (destination)

ISU (MAC)
KU (B1G)
KSU (MWC)
OU,OSU,TT,UT (PAC-XII)
WVU (AAC)
Baylor,TCU (SEC)

Everyone reasonably happy, nobody in ridiculously isolated situation.

Yes, I'm sure Iowa State and Kansas State would be thrilled in your scenarios. I'm sure the SEC would be thrilled to have Baylor too.

Especially since their fan bases dwarf those in the respective conferences
01-11-2018 11:13 AM
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(01-11-2018 11:03 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:57 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:10 AM)Bogg Wrote:  The Big 12 isn't going to go away entirely. In the event of defections when the current GOR is up the Big 12 will lose somewhere between 3 and 5 teams and then backfill with some combination of AAC and Mountain West teams, plus maybe Rice.

My guess? The whole linchpin is Kansas. Texas is always going to have options, but if Kansas gets an attractive offer from a more stable conference they'll have to seriously consider it, and that could spook Oklahoma into being proactive. If that happens the gears necessary to force Texas to make a move are in motion.

Definitely agree with your thoughts. The most likely expansion scenario IMO is below.

Kansas and Oklahoma to Big 10
Texas and OK State to Pac

That would leave the remaining conference at:

West Virginia (Possible ACC target)
Kansas St
Iowa St
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor

Then adding schools from the following:

Houston
Cincinnati
Memphis
UCF
USF
BYU
SMU

In the end, the new Big 12 will likely be a better version of the American with a heavy presence in Texas. Again, this all doesn't happen if they just extend their GOR, but I would say there is a decent chance they don't.

Yea, this isn't that far off. If Texas is headed to the PAC I think they insist on Tech, and the Pac would give it to them. Other than that whether or not WVU gets picked up by someone probably determines whether the conference goes East (in the north, FLA doesn't count) of Cincy with adds, but in general I agree.

I agree. We are more likely to see Oklahoma and Oklahoma join the SEC. Then Texas and Texas Tech in the PAC 12.

That would leave Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Christian and West Virginia.

Because of the P5 status the B12 would invite Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, SMU, UCF, USF.

West

Baylor
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
SMU
TCU

East

Central Florida
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Memphis
South Florida
West Virginia

If they decide to go to 16 teams, they would add BYU, Tulsa, UT San Antonio and UT El Paso. Houston and Baylor would be in the East division.
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(01-11-2018 09:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:34 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 08:26 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  School (destination)

ISU (MAC)
KU (B1G)
KSU (MWC)
OU,OSU,TT,UT (PAC-XII)
WVU (AAC)
Baylor,TCU (SEC)

Everyone reasonably happy, nobody in ridiculously isolated situation.

My guess is that if the B1G and SEC were to "get" those schools while the PAC gets the cream of the crop, neither will be happy.

Still not sure why schools like OU & TX would choose the PAC when they'll have numerous options, all of which would be better.

I can speak for me personally, and for a significant portion of the SEC, when I say that I do not want Texas.

I believe you but it might come down to the SEC taking TX just to keep the B1G from getting a hold in Texas.

If the XII is to explode, the game might be as much about what the other guy doesn't get as it is what you get.
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(01-11-2018 08:57 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Sometimes I wonder if people grasp just how far from the California schools like UT and OU are.

I also think in that situation both TCU and Baylor get left out instead of go to the SEC.

Exactly. Thats why Ive always said the Pac12 wont be the choice for UT (they have much better options). Plus, the ESPN/UT Longhorn Network agreement doesn't expire until 2030. When the ACC Network kicks off, every single P5 EXCEPT the B12 will have a conference network. The LHN wont fly in any other P5 conference except the B12. Frankly, Ive come around to the belief that the Big12 is the best home for UT (and at the very least, its almost certainly their best home until 2030).
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