(01-14-2018 04:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You would be so much fun to depose i my not even bill for it.

LOL. Go right ahead.

Please spare us your selective outrage.

You just destroyed the irony meter.

(01-14-2018 03:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Gee whiz, I guess y'all will get all outraged about Liberty University or 1000 other schools being overtly anti-LGBT? Seeing as y'all are all about equal time on college campuses that are private.

Nah, we can just file this under selective outrage.

We went over this with you the last time. Provide the list of these 1,000 schools, if not get lost.

How about Liberty University? Gays cannot even be employed there. Nether can Jews.

We can start from there, and then I'll add the other 999 (1 at a time) after you explain to me why Liberty should be allowed to discriminate against Gays and non-Christians and expressing viewpoints that are not-evangelically endorsed, but Cornell cannot fire someone for expressing comments that are anti-Trump.

And let me guess....you're going to go with Christian supremacy, which is the theory that Christians, at least those who express a Falwellesque version of it, are supreme and get extra protections and benefits in society...

Then we can talk about the University of Mobile. Then we can move on to Berry, to Wheaton, to Grove City, to Cumberland, to BYU, etc.

Remember Cornell is PRIVATE.

Bye, provide the list. Remember Liberty is private!

(01-14-2018 03:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Gee whiz, I guess y'all will get all outraged about Liberty University or 1000 other schools being overtly anti-LGBT? Seeing as y'all are all about equal time on college campuses that are private.

Nah, we can just file this under selective outrage.

We went over this with you the last time. Provide the list of these 1,000 schools, if not get lost.

He is just a troll now. After using that 1000 number before and not even coming up with 50, he is a proven troll now.

(01-14-2018 04:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You would be so much fun to depose i my not even bill for it.

Logic is never democrats strong suit. They are the new "hell and brimestone" preachers of their convoluted morality. The cult of SJW.

Its all piss and vinegar and no grey matter.

They probably all rooted for Dick Dastardly and Muttly in the Whacky Races.

(01-14-2018 03:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:44 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:24 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Are gays a protected class?

Ah, yes.....the old moving goal posts routine...

Well, are they a class?

Why do you feel they shouldn't be protected, but alt-righters/right wingers/Trumpers should be?

What's your answer?

Gays experience clear discrimination at hundreds of colleges, including discrimination based upon viewpoints.

You don't seem to be concerned about that. I fail to see how you can be upset about Cornell, but not about Liberty U.

There are evangelicals and Trumpers at Cornell. There are no open Gays employed at Liberty. They're both private.

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Gays are not a protected class because the people you appear to support want to ensure that we're blocked from expressing our free campus speech or even to be employed on those campuses.

Spare us all your selective outrage.

Why would anyone here do that when you don't? Hypocrite much?

(01-14-2018 04:09 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You would be so much fun to depose i my not even bill for it.

The guy just won't answer. Deflect? Of course but answer a question, no.

I'm under no obligation to do so. You are free to opine on the OT of discrimination against persons based upon a non-protected class (political speech) at private colleges or my broader topic of discrimination period at private colleges.

(01-14-2018 04:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 04:09 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You would be so much fun to depose i my not even bill for it.

The guy just won't answer. Deflect? Of course but answer a question, no.

I'm under no obligation to do so. You are free to opine on the OT of discrimination against persons based upon a non-protected class (political speech) at private colleges or my broader topic of discrimination period at private colleges.

Crazy Pills for everyone!

(01-14-2018 04:16 PM)appst89 Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:44 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:24 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Are gays a protected class?

Ah, yes.....the old moving goal posts routine...

Well, are they a class?

Why do you feel they shouldn't be protected, but alt-righters/right wingers/Trumpers should be?

What's your answer?

Gays experience clear discrimination at hundreds of colleges, including discrimination based upon viewpoints.

You don't seem to be concerned about that. I fail to see how you can be upset about Cornell, but not about Liberty U.

There are evangelicals and Trumpers at Cornell. There are no open Gays employed at Liberty. They're both private.

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Gays are not a protected class because the people you appear to support want to ensure that we're blocked from expressing our free campus speech or even to be employed on those campuses.

Spare us all your selective outrage.

Why would anyone here do that when you don't? Hypocrite much?

Again you're welcome to explain to me why discrimination by Cornell is wrong when applied to conservatives, but is okay if practiced by Liberty, or U of Mobile, or BYU, etc. That is if you believe that.

If you're interested in fixing so called free speech issues on college campuses, you'll need to look at both sides. I'd argue that Cornell's accused discrimination isn't nearly as bad as the stated discriminatory practices at many conservative schools.

I get it. Some (perhaps not you) just want to point to cherry picked cases where you can claim some sort of bias against conservatives in education. But you don't want to look at the whole issue of discrimination period. Do you want to end discrimination on college campuses or not? That's the question. But LGBT persons and Jews should have as much protection as some person upset because the campus has some diversity training or has a class that she doesn't like that is an elective.

(01-14-2018 04:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 04:16 PM)appst89 Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:44 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Ah, yes.....the old moving goal posts routine...

Well, are they a class?

Why do you feel they shouldn't be protected, but alt-righters/right wingers/Trumpers should be?

What's your answer?

Gays experience clear discrimination at hundreds of colleges, including discrimination based upon viewpoints.

You don't seem to be concerned about that. I fail to see how you can be upset about Cornell, but not about Liberty U.

There are evangelicals and Trumpers at Cornell. There are no open Gays employed at Liberty. They're both private.

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Gays are not a protected class because the people you appear to support want to ensure that we're blocked from expressing our free campus speech or even to be employed on those campuses.

Spare us all your selective outrage.

Why would anyone here do that when you don't? Hypocrite much?

Again you're welcome to explain to me why discrimination by Cornell is wrong when applied to conservatives, but is okay if practiced by Liberty, or U of Mobile, or BYU, etc. That is if you believe that.

If you're interested in fixing so called free speech issues on college campuses, you'll need to look at both sides. I'd argue that Cornell's accused discrimination isn't nearly as bad as the stated discriminatory practices at many conservative schools.

Of course you would because of your selective outrage.

Deep breaths, Tom.

(01-14-2018 04:23 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Deep breaths, Tom.

LOL. I'm calm. Its not like massive discrimination against my people in education is something new. Try to gaslight someone else

Again, you asked me about Gays being a protected class. I answered it btw, the answer is 'sometimes'. But even assuming that its not protected in a particular jurisdiction, I'll ask you a question.

Is political viewpoint a protected class?

You know there is a solution here. Add sexual orientation, marital status, private legal non-commercial consensual sexual activity, gender identity, AND political speech as protected classes to the Equal Opportuinty Act and Civil rights legislation (and fair housing, employment laws, etc.). And apply it to all commercial activity and to any non-profit activity that receives any benefit from the taxpayers. I'd even be willing to exempt church employment (but not social services - if subsidezed by the taxpayers) and activities DIRECTLY related to theology (not Accounting or Science at a religious school). Heck, if a school doesn't take any taxpayer benefits (including property tax mitigation) they should be able to do whatever they want. I'd be good with that. Would y'all?

(01-14-2018 04:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You know there is a solution here. Add sexual orientation, marital status, private legal non-commercial consensual sexual activity, gender identity, AND political speech as protected classes to the Equal Opportuinty Act and Civil rights legislation (and fair housing, employment laws, etc.). I'd be good with that. Would y'all?

How about treat everyone equal. Make everyone a protected class.

How about no such thing as class. Democrats should be good with this because they lack it.

(01-14-2018 04:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You know there is a solution here. Add sexual orientation, marital status, private legal non-commercial consensual sexual activity, gender identity, AND political speech as protected classes to the Equal Opportuinty Act and Civil rights legislation (and fair housing, employment laws, etc.). And apply it to all commercial activity and to any non-profit activity that receives any benefit from the taxpayers. I'd even be willing to exempt church employment (but not social services - if subsidezed by the taxpayers) and activities DIRECTLY related to theology (not Accounting or Science at a religious school). I'd be good with that. Would y'all?

Not gender identity or sexual orientation

(01-14-2018 04:38 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 04:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You know there is a solution here. Add sexual orientation, marital status, private legal non-commercial consensual sexual activity, gender identity, AND political speech as protected classes to the Equal Opportuinty Act and Civil rights legislation (and fair housing, employment laws, etc.). And apply it to all commercial activity and to any non-profit activity that receives any benefit from the taxpayers. I'd even be willing to exempt church employment (but not social services - if subsidezed by the taxpayers) and activities DIRECTLY related to theology (not Accounting or Science at a religious school). I'd be good with that. Would y'all?

Not gender identity or sexual orientation

Exactly my point. You reserve the right to discriminate against people based on the fact that they're LGBT, but get all bent out of shape when someone is accused of discriminating against you or someone you identify with.

But you do get points for being honest about it. But you're being selectively outraged here, I'm afraid. You appear to be looking for 'special rights' based upon some perceived supremacy of conservative political speech over being LGBT.

(01-14-2018 04:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 04:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You know there is a solution here. Add sexual orientation, marital status, private legal non-commercial consensual sexual activity, gender identity, AND political speech as protected classes to the Equal Opportuinty Act and Civil rights legislation (and fair housing, employment laws, etc.). I'd be good with that. Would y'all?

How about treat everyone equal. Make everyone a protected class.

How about no such thing as class. Democrats should be good with this because they lack it.

I'm good with that. But you have to specify the protected classes in order to make it work. Again, if Liberty can fire or not hire someone for being Jewish or Gay, then I don't see why you'd get upset if Cornell discriminates against someone based upon the persons' political viewpoint.

Hopefully, you can see the bigger picture now. When you say "Cornell" I say "Liberty U". Now, if you think that its time to fix the problem for everyone, then lets do it.

(01-14-2018 04:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 04:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 04:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You know there is a solution here. Add sexual orientation, marital status, private legal non-commercial consensual sexual activity, gender identity, AND political speech as protected classes to the Equal Opportuinty Act and Civil rights legislation (and fair housing, employment laws, etc.). I'd be good with that. Would y'all?

How about treat everyone equal. Make everyone a protected class.

How about no such thing as class. Democrats should be good with this because they lack it.

I'm good with that. But you have to specify the protected classes in order to make it work. Again, if Liberty can fire or not hire someone for being Jewish or Gay, then I don't see why you'd get upset if Cornell discriminates against someone based upon the persons' political viewpoint.

Hopefully, you can see the bigger picture now. When you say "Cornell" I say "Liberty U". Now, if you think that its time to fix the problem for everyone, then lets do it.

People should be fired if the do a ****** job, steal, lie, cheat, cause the business to lose money, or otherwise break the law. People shouldn't be fired because of their race, color, sex, who they screw, where they go to church.

Protected classes are the bread and butter of democrats. Division and putting groups against each other. Its all they have, no real policies.

So of course dems love class, race, sex.....its the lowest common denominator for simple minds. One day dems might succeed provided the country becomes dumb enough for the majority to be duped. History is replete with cultures that collapse because they get stupid and lazy.

So be it.

(01-14-2018 04:54 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 04:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 04:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 04:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You know there is a solution here. Add sexual orientation, marital status, private legal non-commercial consensual sexual activity, gender identity, AND political speech as protected classes to the Equal Opportuinty Act and Civil rights legislation (and fair housing, employment laws, etc.). I'd be good with that. Would y'all?

How about treat everyone equal. Make everyone a protected class.

How about no such thing as class. Democrats should be good with this because they lack it.

I'm good with that. But you have to specify the protected classes in order to make it work. Again, if Liberty can fire or not hire someone for being Jewish or Gay, then I don't see why you'd get upset if Cornell discriminates against someone based upon the persons' political viewpoint.

Hopefully, you can see the bigger picture now. When you say "Cornell" I say "Liberty U". Now, if you think that its time to fix the problem for everyone, then lets do it.

People should be fired if the do a ****** job, steal, lie, cheat, cause the business to lose money, or otherwise break the law. People shouldn't be fired because of their race, color, sex, who they screw, where they go to church.

Protected classes are the bread and butter of democrats. Division and putting groups against each other. Its all they have, no real policies.

So of course dems love class, race, sex.....its the lowest common denominator for simple minds. One day dems might succeed provided the country becomes dumb enough for the majority to be duped. History is replete with cultures that collapse because they get stupid and lazy.

So be it.

Again, if you don't protect behavior, discrimination will usually happen. Either you can be 'well that sucks' about the Cornell story but "we accept that because we won't do anything about it" or you're willing to do something about discrimination. But don't pretend discrimination against a group you identify with is any more pressing of a problem than discrimination that people you might not identify with experience.