https://www.si.com/college-football/2018...ma-clemson

UCF at #14.


Interestingly, ESPN has UCF at #22 (omly AAC school) and USA Today (not Wolken) has ZERO AAC schools in top 25 for 2018.

UCF friggin returns 9 on offense and 7 on defense. Unbelievable lack of respect.

(01-09-2018 10:29 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college-football/2018...ma-clemson

UCF at #14.


Interestingly, ESPN has UCF at #22 (omly AAC school) and USA Today (not Wolken) has ZERO AAC schools in top 25 for 2018.

UCF friggin returns 9 on offense and 7 on defense. Unbelievable lack of respect.

Agree, And yet, totally predictable. Sadly, Non-P5 teams have to do more to prove themselves. IDK if that'll ever change, even if a G5 team wins a national championship.

(01-09-2018 10:37 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 10:29 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college-football/2018...ma-clemson

UCF at #14.


Interestingly, ESPN has UCF at #22 (omly AAC school) and USA Today (not Wolken) has ZERO AAC schools in top 25 for 2018.

UCF friggin returns 9 on offense and 7 on defense. Unbelievable lack of respect.

Agree, And yet, totally predictable. Sadly, Non-P5 teams have to do more to prove themselves. IDK if that'll ever change, even if a G5 team wins a national championship.

It is completely believable. The non-"p5" teams have to start anew and climb the hill each season only to end up just short. Under the current sham of a system, no G5 will ever make the playoffs.

UCF is also changing coaches which is always risky business.

If they roll to 3/4-0 they will very quickly climb the poll; for whatever it's worth.

A G5 would have to go undefeated / 1 loss with decent OOC wins for 2 years in a row to be given any real respect.

(01-09-2018 11:03 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  UCF is also changing coaches which is always risky business.

If they roll to 3/4-0 they will very quickly climb the poll; for whatever it's worth.

A G5 would have to go undefeated / 1 loss with decent OOC wins for 2 years in a row to be given any real respect.

I can get with that, BUT logically:

They went 13-0.

They beat Auburn in the Sugar Bowl.

They return 9 or 10 starters from the highest scoring offense in FBS.

They return 7 defensive starters.

ESPN has UCF at #21 and Boise at #17 (returns 7 and 9 from an 11-3 team).

Go figure.

I read that several of ucf's juniors may enter the draft so that ranking may be about right if that's the case and with a new coach also.

(01-09-2018 11:03 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  UCF is also changing coaches which is always risky business.

If they roll to 3/4-0 they will very quickly climb the poll; for whatever it's worth.

A G5 would have to go undefeated / 1 loss with decent OOC wins for 2 years in a row to be given any real respect.

They also won the AAC championship game knowing Frost was gone and then beat Auburn without Frost, in what they treated as their national championship game...

(01-09-2018 11:25 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:03 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  UCF is also changing coaches which is always risky business.

If they roll to 3/4-0 they will very quickly climb the poll; for whatever it's worth.

A G5 would have to go undefeated / 1 loss with decent OOC wins for 2 years in a row to be given any real respect.

They also won the AAC championship game knowing Frost was gone and then beat Auburn without Frost, in what they treated as their national championship game...

frost coached the game.

(01-09-2018 10:29 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college-football/2018...ma-clemson

UCF at #14.


Interestingly, ESPN has UCF at #22 (omly AAC school) and USA Today (not Wolken) has ZERO AAC schools in top 25 for 2018.

UCF friggin returns 9 on offense and 7 on defense. Unbelievable lack of respect.

It is absolutely ridiculous. Start all non P5s outside the top 25 or in the 22-25 range and then claim a weak schedule and that makes it literally impossible for any non P5 team to climb into the top 4. Even if you happen to schedule a top 10 team and beat them, the pollsters will claim that as your only real reputable win. It is simply rigged...

(01-09-2018 11:28 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 10:29 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college-football/2018...ma-clemson

UCF at #14.


Interestingly, ESPN has UCF at #22 (omly AAC school) and USA Today (not Wolken) has ZERO AAC schools in top 25 for 2018.

UCF friggin returns 9 on offense and 7 on defense. Unbelievable lack of respect.

It is absolutely ridiculous. Start all non P5s outside the top 25 or in the 22-25 range and then claim a weak schedule and that makes it literally impossible for any non P5 team to climb into the top 4. Even if you happen to schedule a top 10 team and beat them, the pollsters will claim that as your only real reputable win. It is simply rigged...

But this is how the SEC has succeeded for years, especially during the BCS era. Stack 9 SEC teams in the top 25 and when they lose only drop them a couple of spots because of "the level of competition."

(01-09-2018 11:26 AM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:25 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:03 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  UCF is also changing coaches which is always risky business.

If they roll to 3/4-0 they will very quickly climb the poll; for whatever it's worth.

A G5 would have to go undefeated / 1 loss with decent OOC wins for 2 years in a row to be given any real respect.

They also won the AAC championship game knowing Frost was gone and then beat Auburn without Frost, in what they treated as their national championship game...

frost coached the game.

My mistake on that, either way the players knew he was gone... And my other question would be. If the same circumstances were set for Alabama, Georgia, OU (returning a boat load of players from an undefeated team) would they drop into the low 20s or be unranked because of a coaching change or would they simply drop to the 6, 7 or 8 range (if even that far)?

(01-09-2018 11:32 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:26 AM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:25 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:03 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  UCF is also changing coaches which is always risky business.

If they roll to 3/4-0 they will very quickly climb the poll; for whatever it's worth.

A G5 would have to go undefeated / 1 loss with decent OOC wins for 2 years in a row to be given any real respect.

They also won the AAC championship game knowing Frost was gone and then beat Auburn without Frost, in what they treated as their national championship game...

frost coached the game.

My mistake on that, either way the players knew he was gone... And my other question would be. If the same circumstances were set for Alabama, Georgia, OU (returning a boat load of players from an undefeated team) would they drop into the low 20s or be unranked because of a coaching change or would they simply drop to the 6, 7 or 8 range (if even that far)?

No

(01-09-2018 11:32 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:26 AM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:25 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:03 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  UCF is also changing coaches which is always risky business.

If they roll to 3/4-0 they will very quickly climb the poll; for whatever it's worth.

A G5 would have to go undefeated / 1 loss with decent OOC wins for 2 years in a row to be given any real respect.

They also won the AAC championship game knowing Frost was gone and then beat Auburn without Frost, in what they treated as their national championship game...

frost coached the game.

My mistake on that, either way the players knew he was gone... And my other question would be. If the same circumstances were set for Alabama, Georgia, OU (returning a boat load of players from an undefeated team) would they drop into the low 20s or be unranked because of a coaching change or would they simply drop to the 6, 7 or 8 range (if even that far)?

...and Florida State is top 20.

I guess the coaching change there was okay.

Heck OU is losing their Heisman QB and is preseason #6.

Stanford was 9-5 and is top 15 in most of these.

(01-09-2018 11:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:32 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:26 AM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:25 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:03 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  UCF is also changing coaches which is always risky business.

If they roll to 3/4-0 they will very quickly climb the poll; for whatever it's worth.

A G5 would have to go undefeated / 1 loss with decent OOC wins for 2 years in a row to be given any real respect.

They also won the AAC championship game knowing Frost was gone and then beat Auburn without Frost, in what they treated as their national championship game...

frost coached the game.

My mistake on that, either way the players knew he was gone... And my other question would be. If the same circumstances were set for Alabama, Georgia, OU (returning a boat load of players from an undefeated team) would they drop into the low 20s or be unranked because of a coaching change or would they simply drop to the 6, 7 or 8 range (if even that far)?

...and Florida State is top 20.

I guess the coaching change there was okay.

Heck OU is losing their Heisman QB and is preseason #6.

Stanford was 9-5 and is top 15 in most of these.

But you are discounting FSU's big win at toward the end of the year showing improvement. They beat Delaware State 77-6...

(01-09-2018 11:43 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:32 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:26 AM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:25 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  They also won the AAC championship game knowing Frost was gone and then beat Auburn without Frost, in what they treated as their national championship game...

frost coached the game.

My mistake on that, either way the players knew he was gone... And my other question would be. If the same circumstances were set for Alabama, Georgia, OU (returning a boat load of players from an undefeated team) would they drop into the low 20s or be unranked because of a coaching change or would they simply drop to the 6, 7 or 8 range (if even that far)?

...and Florida State is top 20.

I guess the coaching change there was okay.

Heck OU is losing their Heisman QB and is preseason #6.

Stanford was 9-5 and is top 15 in most of these.

But you are discounting FSU's big win at toward the end of the year showing improvement. They beat Delaware State 77-6...

True, and they whooped Southern Miss in the Walk-On's Independence Bowl.

The lack of respect for UCF is interesting, yet they throw us in the top 20 which is interesting as well. Don’t get me wrong I love seeing us in there but we are losing our 2 best players and they are at the top 1-3 skill positions. Not sure should be ranked at this current juncture.

(01-09-2018 12:05 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  The lack of respect for UCF is interesting, yet they throw us in the top 20 which is interesting as well. Don’t get me wrong I love seeing us in there but we are losing our 2 best players and they are at the top 1-3 skill positions. Not sure should be ranked at this current juncture.

Moore is gonna come in there like Winston! Just wait and see.!

(01-09-2018 11:09 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:03 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  UCF is also changing coaches which is always risky business.

If they roll to 3/4-0 they will very quickly climb the poll; for whatever it's worth.

A G5 would have to go undefeated / 1 loss with decent OOC wins for 2 years in a row to be given any real respect.

I can get with that, BUT logically:

They went 13-0.

They beat Auburn in the Sugar Bowl.

They return 9 or 10 starters from the highest scoring offense in FBS.

They return 7 defensive starters.

ESPN has UCF at #21 and Boise at #17 (returns 7 and 9 from an 11-3 team).

Go figure.

They lost every coach.

(01-09-2018 12:15 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 12:05 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  The lack of respect for UCF is interesting, yet they throw us in the top 20 which is interesting as well. Don’t get me wrong I love seeing us in there but we are losing our 2 best players and they are at the top 1-3 skill positions. Not sure should be ranked at this current juncture.

Moore is gonna come in there like Winston! Just wait and see.!

Eating wins?

(01-09-2018 12:15 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 12:05 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  The lack of respect for UCF is interesting, yet they throw us in the top 20 which is interesting as well. Don’t get me wrong I love seeing us in there but we are losing our 2 best players and they are at the top 1-3 skill positions. Not sure should be ranked at this current juncture.

Moore is gonna come in there like Winston! Just wait and see.!

I really hope so. Didn’t mean any diisrespect to the team, just wasn’t expecting them to be ranked in the pre season by anyone until at least something played out w QB. I actually wouldn’t be shocked if next years QB isn’t on the roster right now.