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RE: Final AP poll for the season: Bama, UGA, OU, Clemson, tOSU, UCF
(01-09-2018 11:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 10:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's instructive that even with the "Big Win" over 3-loss Auburn, UCF still wouldn't make a 4-team playoff if decided by the final AP poll.



I understand your pain, my school's rival won a national championship last year too. It gets better over time. 05-stirthepot

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Um no, not one of the trillions of neurons in my brain thinks UCF won anything but a Peach Bowl over a 3 loss Auburn team. Their national title claim is farcical. Lots of my cells know UCF was extremely lucky to beat us.

But no, your pain is valid and real. 07-coffee3
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RE: Final AP poll for the season: Bama, UGA, OU, Clemson, tOSU, UCF
(01-09-2018 11:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 11:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 10:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's instructive that even with the "Big Win" over 3-loss Auburn, UCF still wouldn't make a 4-team playoff if decided by the final AP poll.



I understand your pain, my school's rival won a national championship last year too. It gets better over time. 05-stirthepot

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Um no, not one of the trillions of neurons in my brain thinks UCF won anything but a Peach Bowl over a 3 loss Auburn team. Their national title claim is farcical. Lots of my cells know UCF was extremely lucky to beat us.

But no, your pain is valid and real. 07-coffee3

I understand that it probably hasn't sunk in yet, but the first step is admitting it.
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RE: Final AP poll for the season: Bama, UGA, OU, Clemson, tOSU, UCF
(01-09-2018 11:47 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 11:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 11:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 10:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's instructive that even with the "Big Win" over 3-loss Auburn, UCF still wouldn't make a 4-team playoff if decided by the final AP poll.



I understand your pain, my school's rival won a national championship last year too. It gets better over time. 05-stirthepot

03-lmfao

Um no, not one of the trillions of neurons in my brain thinks UCF won anything but a Peach Bowl over a 3 loss Auburn team. Their national title claim is farcical. Lots of my cells know UCF was extremely lucky to beat us.

But no, your pain is valid and real. 07-coffee3

I understand that it probably hasn't sunk in yet, but the first step is admitting it.

03-lmfao

The notion that UCF won a national title will no more sink in than the notion that the moon is made of cheese, etc.

I know misery loves company, but your company is Auburn, not me. 03-lmfao
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RE: Final AP poll for the season: Bama, UGA, OU, Clemson, tOSU, UCF
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(01-09-2018 02:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  https://collegefootball.ap.org/poll

57 first-place votes for the Tide, the other 4 for UCF.

I was hoping UCF would finish 5th. Three in the final top 25 wasn't a bad showing for the AAC.

Can't believe Memphis stayed ranked. Means Iowa St. beat 3 ranked teams. Wonder how many could claim that this year. Probably nobody outside the top 6. And they had two top 10 wins.

edit-forgot about #10 Auburn and MSU. So Auburn was 3-4 vs. ranked teams and 2-3 vs. the top 6.

ND went 4-3 against ranked teams in the final AP poll.
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RE: Final AP poll for the season: Bama, UGA, OU, Clemson, tOSU, UCF
(01-09-2018 03:53 AM)Wedge Wrote:  More statistics:

This was the 50th season in which the final AP poll was taken after the bowl games. (Hard to believe they took the final poll before the bowls up until then, but that's what they did.)

Here are all the teams in those 50 years that finished undefeated and didn't finish #1 in the AP poll, with their final AP ranking. Didn't know the list was so long until I looked it up.

1968
Penn State, 11-0, #2

1969
Penn State, 11-0, #2
USC, 10-0-1, #3

1970
Arizona State, 11-0, #6
Toledo, 12-0, #12
Dartmouth, 9-0, #14

1971
Toledo, 12-0, #14

1973
Ohio State, 10-0-1, #2
Oklahoma, 10-0-1, #3
Penn State, 12-0, #5
Michigan, 10-0-1, #6
Miami-OH, 11-0, #15

1974
Miami-OH, 10-0-1, #10

1975
Arizona State, 12-0, #2

1976
Rutgers, 11-0, #17

1979
USC, 11-0-1, #2

1982
SMU, 11-0-1, #2

1987
Syracuse, 11-0-1, #4

1990
Georgia Tech, 11-0-1, #2 (voted #1 in final coaches poll)

1991
Washington, 12-0, #2 (voted #1 in final coaches poll)

1992
Michigan, 9-0-3, #5 (yep, 3 ties)

1993
Auburn, 11-0, #4 (on probation, no bowl)

1994
Penn State, 12-0, #2
Texas A&M, 10-0-1, #8 (on probation, no bowl)

1995
Toledo, 11-0-1, #24

1997
Nebraska, 13-0, #2 (voted #1 in final coaches poll)

1998
Tulane, 12-0, #7

1999
Marshall, 13-0, #10

2004
Auburn, 13-0, #2
Utah, 12-0, #4

2006
Boise State, 13-0, #5

2008
Utah, 13-0, #2

2009
Boise State, 14-0, #4

2010
TCU, 13-0, #2

2012
Ohio State, 12-0, #3 (on probation, no bowl)

2017
UCF, 12-0, #6

Jeez---1973 was a hell of a year. Five undefeated teams that didnt finish #1 (plus another that I assume DID finish number one).
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RE: Final AP poll for the season: Bama, UGA, OU, Clemson, tOSU, UCF
Alabama lost to Auburn who lost to LSU who lost to Troy who lost to South Alabama who lost to Georgia Southern

So congrats to the REAL 2018 National Champions, 2-10 Georgia Southern!!!

(Did I do it right UCF?)
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RE: Final AP poll for the season: Bama, UGA, OU, Clemson, tOSU, UCF
(01-09-2018 10:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's instructive that even with the "Big Win" over 3-loss Auburn, UCF still wouldn't make a 4-team playoff if decided by the final AP poll.

Exactly. A G5 is not going to be allowed in the playoff. This talk that the Georgia Tech game would have made a difference is really silly. So I am to believe that beating a 5-6 Georgia Tech would tell the Committee something that beating a 4-8 Maryland didnt? That game would have made zero difference. This Committee was never going to put a G5 in the top 10--much less the top 4.

That said, I think UCF did the G5 a favor. They gave the committee a black eye. They exposed the bias. The fact that many outlets gave UCF kudos for declaring themselves champions and slammed the committee for saying they werent even top 10 was a major set back for the CFP integrity. The Committee arrogantly took their bias too far and ended up undermining their own credibility. Essentially, in 2017 the Committee finally jumped the shark with respect to their G5 treatment.

By last weekend, it was clear the CFP was concerned about the bad press and was placing pressure on G5 commissioners to tow the party line in an effort to blunt the CFP criticism. The quotes that came out of he G5 commissioners defending the CFP were inexplicable and sounded like Vietnam POW confessions in the early 70's.

My take--the CFP Selection Committee will never rank an undefeated G5 conference champion outside of the top 10 again. We have UCF to thank for that. Still wont get you to the top 4--but, ya know....baby steps. 04-cheers
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RE: Final AP poll for the season: Bama, UGA, OU, Clemson, tOSU, UCF
Actually, I think UCF did itself and a favor for the B12. I think adding them and a 12th team would be in their best interest. I think Memphis or Cinci would be the other fit to help create an eastern division

East - West
Memphis/Cinci - KSU
UCF - OSU
WVU - TT
Texas - OK
TCU - Baylor
ISU - Kan
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(01-09-2018 02:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Actually, I think UCF did itself and a favor for the B12. I think adding them and a 12th team would be in their best interest. I think Memphis or Cinci would be the other fit to help create an eastern division

East - West
Memphis/Cinci - KSU
UCF - OSU
WVU - TT
Texas - OK
TCU - Baylor
ISU - Kan

The Big 12 would be well advised to just add USF as well do keep that rivalry intact. I4 war got huge ratings this year and would be great.
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RE: Final AP poll for the season: Bama, UGA, OU, Clemson, tOSU, UCF
(01-09-2018 01:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 10:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's instructive that even with the "Big Win" over 3-loss Auburn, UCF still wouldn't make a 4-team playoff if decided by the final AP poll.

Exactly. A G5 is not going to be allowed in the playoff. This talk that the Georgia Tech game would have made a difference is really silly. So I am to believe that beating a 5-6 Georgia Tech would tell the Committee something that beating a 4-8 Maryland didnt? That game would have made zero difference. This Committee was never going to put a G5 in the top 10--much less the top 4.

That said, I think UCF did the G5 a favor. They gave the committee a black eye. They exposed the bias.

Um .... how did UCF give the committee a "black eye" and "exposed their bias" when every other outlet had UCF outside of the top 10 as well? Humans and computers (see Sagarin and MC) all agree - even AFTER the Big Win over Auburn, UCF still isn't a top 4 team!

You have made a big point about the composition of the CFP committee as being biased against the G5. But the AP vote just drives the point home that *any* committee, unless literally chaired by Aresco and consisting of 10 AAC AD's, would have kept UCF out too.

UCF fans have had fun the past week posting links to sports columns and blogs saying that "UCF deserves to hang their banner" and the like, but in the end, the sportswriters voted 57 to 4 for Alabama over UCF, and put UCF at #6.

So this hardly constitutes an indictment of the CFP, eh?
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