Believe it or not, I'm still at a 5 for that year (not this one). Our freshmen just played a very strong game against the top team in the conference. It was our upper classmen who were a little off tonight.

(01-11-2018 10:16 PM)purplesanman Wrote:  Believe it or not, I'm still at a 5 for that year (not this one). Our freshmen just played a very strong game against the top team in the conference. It was our upper classmen who were a little off tonight.

Problem is it's not the players why so many of us are at a 0 or 1, it's the lack of in game management, play calling, and coaching. Rowe has brought in better players, who if they stay for 4 years have a chance to be half decent if not better and that's to his credit. It's just that I haven't seen anything that says Rowe should be the one to coach them. Hope I'm proven wrong, but no positives to cling on to so far

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(01-11-2018 09:34 PM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 10:38 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  10 for the GOAT HCLR

care to reassign a confidence level?

no way!

Keep in mind you aren't necessary voting on the Coach here as much as on the players. 19-20 the current Freshman will be Juniors. Banks and Lewis are already pretty good as Freshman. Wilson, Jones and Jacobs are getting valuable playing time. It wouldn't surprise me if after another rough year we have a good year next and then take a jump those guys Junior year. Assuming they all stay in the program and healthy of course. As a side bar half way through the season Towson already lost one of their recruits- Ingram- despite their respectable on court win loss record. Rowe will ultimately be judged by his ability to keep these kids at JMU.

I don't care how you feel about Rowe you have to admit that is one heck of a recruiting class. Definitely the best in the CAA and I'd say probably one of the better mid major recruiting classes in the country. It's what was needed in the program with all the graduating seniors last season. Seem like good kids who like to compete as well.

In a couple of years folks could be admitting that JMU took a couple of steps back in order to take a few steps forward. The ceiling in the past was 4th place and maybe a shot at a 16 seed. By 19-20 I expect the ceiling will be a lot higher- as in 1st place and a 13 seed.

13 and 37

How did JMU finish tied for 3rd and tied for 1st in the two seasons before Rowe arrived if their ceiling was 4th place?

Recruiting class is best of this decade.
Although Curry Cooke Nation were more talented( Rowe was 75% of reason jmu got those players by the way.
Lewis Jacobs Banks Wilson Mosley* are best additions to Jmu basketball I’ve seen.
Lewis could be 1st team CAA player next year, same with Mosley.
If and BIG if they stay together and we snatch a Solid PG next year I believe JMU could be poised to be class of CAA for next years to come.
The talent is obviously there, just a bit of growing pains by both coaches and players.

It’s hard not to feel like Rowe can’t get it done right now but five CAA level Freshman are not going to be world beaters right out of the gate. Lou is a Sophomore head coach. He is learning on the job. Brady got better over time and maybe Lou will too. It is going to test even the best fans patience.

The Dukes have lost two CAA games on the road to last second threes to send the game into overtime. They have to learn that most games are won in the last two minutes with good defense and hustling after rebounds and loose balls. You will yourself to wins most time because they are not going to fall into your lap.

Right now I see other teams as being mentally tougher and beating JMU to the ball late in games. There is enough talent to win in the CAA. They just have to stop worrying about winning the game and focus on the next play.

(01-12-2018 09:34 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  How did JMU finish tied for 3rd and tied for 1st in the two seasons before Rowe arrived if their ceiling was 4th place?

4th place was their seed in the CAA Tournament based on tie breakers. I believe that is the highest seed a Brady coached team ever attained- hence the ceiling after 8 years.

Just a reminder on how tie breakers work- it's based on your regular season record vs. the top of the conference. In 14-15 (Brady's second to last season JMU) while the Dukes tied for the regular season best record they finished 0-6 vs the other top teams (W&M, UNCW, and Northeastern). They improved in 15-16 in terms of the tie breaker games for 3-4 but again lost the tie breaker because their record vs the top 3 (UNCW, Hofstra and Towson) was 3-3.

I bring this up as a reminder on why JMU parted ways with Brady and I'll blame it on inferior talent/recruiting more than inferior coaching (the non competitive losses in Baltimore to teams they had beat the week prior in the CAAT notwithstanding).

Anyone who watched those games in the regular season and CAAT could see that the JMU team could not keep up athletically with the other teams- they had no chance against UNCW- couldn't stop them, could stay in front of them, could get their shots. You can have the best scheme or coaching game plan (which they didn't) and it wouldn't have mattered. You can launch as many 3 as you would like the team to and it didn't matter. Jeff Bourne saw that too. That is a ceiling. A ceiling in terms of Brady being able to recruit and retain the type of talent that could beat the conference's best in the regular season and in the post season.

Let's be honest had the Dukes not come out flat and ill prepared those two years in Baltimore- had they competed vs Hofstra and W&M like they had the week before (I guess Milahich and Shaver made adjustments and Brady didn't? ) they wouldn't have had a shot vs. the #1 seed the next night. That is a ceiling- a #4 seed ceiling under Matt Brady which by the way was a solid job by him given what he had to work with. That is why he is no longer the coach- it's a ceiling he couldn't break through. It's also why I'm still bullish on JMU MBB for the future and for this thread which asks confidence level in 19-20 because I believe in talent as a means of breaking through that ceiling.

(01-13-2018 06:58 AM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  Recruiting class is best of this decade.
Although Curry Cooke Nation were more talented( Rowe was 75% of reason jmu got those players by the way.
Lewis Jacobs Banks Wilson Mosley* are best additions to Jmu basketball I’ve seen.
Lewis could be 1st team CAA player next year, same with Mosley.
If and BIG if they stay together and we snatch a Solid PG next year I believe JMU could be poised to be class of CAA for next years to come.
The talent is obviously there, just a bit of growing pains by both coaches and players.

I think Jones has ability as well. He's active just needs to harness it a bit and add more polish. He was first team All Richmond Times dispatch and recruited by other schools- he has talent as well.

(01-13-2018 10:24 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-12-2018 09:34 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  How did JMU finish tied for 3rd and tied for 1st in the two seasons before Rowe arrived if their ceiling was 4th place?

4th place was their seed in the CAA Tournament based on tie breakers. I believe that is the highest seed a Brady coached team ever attained- hence the ceiling after 8 years.

Just a reminder on how tie breakers work- it's based on your regular season record vs. the top of the conference. In 14-15 (Brady's second to last season JMU) while the Dukes tied for the regular season best record they finished 0-6 vs the other top teams (W&M, UNCW, and Northeastern). They improved in 15-16 in terms of the tie breaker games for 3-4 but again lost the tie breaker because their record vs the top 3 (UNCW, Hofstra and Towson) was 3-3.

I bring this up as a reminder on why JMU parted ways with Brady and I'll blame it on inferior talent/recruiting more than inferior coaching (the non competitive losses in Baltimore to teams they had beat the week prior in the CAAT notwithstanding).

Anyone who watched those games in the regular season and CAAT could see that the JMU team could not keep up athletically with the other teams- they had no chance against UNCW- couldn't stop them, could stay in front of them, could get their shots. You can have the best scheme or coaching game plan (which they didn't) and it wouldn't have mattered. You can launch as many 3 as you would like the team to and it didn't matter. Jeff Bourne saw that too. That is a ceiling. A ceiling in terms of Brady being able to recruit and retain the type of talent that could beat the conference's best in the regular season and in the post season.

Let's be honest had the Dukes not come out flat and ill prepared those two years in Baltimore- had they competed vs Hofstra and W&M like they had the week before (I guess Milahich and Shaver made adjustments and Brady didn't? ) they wouldn't have had a shot vs. the #1 seed the next night. That is a ceiling- a #4 seed ceiling under Matt Brady which by the way was a solid job by him given what he had to work with. That is why he is no longer the coach- it's a ceiling he couldn't break through. It's also why I'm still bullish on JMU MBB for the future and for this thread which asks confidence level in 19-20 because I believe in talent as a means of breaking through that ceiling.

Brilliant Analysis

HCLR may be able to recruit but he can't coach to save his recruits. If this team keeps losing, the current highly regarded players will transfer. It will be hard to recover from it.

Per Josh Walfish on this twitter feed the other day:

JMU has held a lead in the final minute of regulation/OT 23 times in the Louis Rowe era (51 games). The Dukes are 14-9 in those 23 contests.

(01-13-2018 06:58 AM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  Recruiting class is best of this decade.
Although Curry Cooke Nation were more talented( Rowe was 75% of reason jmu got those players by the way.
Lewis Jacobs Banks Wilson Mosley* are best additions to Jmu basketball I’ve seen.
Lewis could be 1st team CAA player next year, same with Mosley.
If and BIG if they stay together and we snatch a Solid PG next year I believe JMU could be poised to be class of CAA for next years to come.
The talent is obviously there, just a bit of growing pains by both coaches and players.

I hope they stay together....they'll be good next year. Not following your comparison of Curry and company to this class Barkers. On one hand, you say Curry class is more talented but you also say this current class is best you've seen. We have a point guard signed for the spring.

Personally, I like this freshman class in aggregate more than Curry class. We'll see, of course.

(01-13-2018 01:54 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Per Josh Walfish on this twitter feed the other day:

JMU has held a lead in the final minute of regulation/OT 23 times in the Louis Rowe era (51 games). The Dukes are 14-9 in those 23 contests.

Make that 14-10

up to 2.2

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This team is 3-15 against D1 teams. Not one of those has a record at .500 or above. Not a single team.

I don’t understand how anyone can defend the freshman class as talented or the coaching staff as figuring out what works. The entire situation is pathetic.

(01-15-2018 01:58 AM)Dukes1825 Wrote:  0

This team is 3-15 against D1 teams. Not one of those has a record at .500 or above. Not a single team.

I don’t understand how anyone can defend the freshman class as talented or the coaching staff as figuring out what works. The entire situation is pathetic.

It is pathetic and I agree with you, the best that's out there is hope, not confidence. Confidence is what you have when your football team is on a 26 game winning streak. 99% of us said we'd beat the only other team that is playing at the level in which we have during this winning streak, NDSU. I don't believe anyone on here would bet on our MBB team without being given some points for any game we have whether it be this year or next unless its a D3 team and when you can't find anyone to bet on JMU to win the next game, then there is zero confidence.

(01-15-2018 01:58 AM)Dukes1825 Wrote:  0

This team is 3-15 against D1 teams. Not one of those has a record at .500 or above. Not a single team.

I don’t understand how anyone can defend the freshman class as talented or the coaching staff as figuring out what works. The entire situation is pathetic.

For me, Brady's teams were boring to watch (& frequently ineffective). It is VERY obvious watching this team play that there are significant player skill upgrades all over the court. I hate the eyeball test, but it seems so apparent just watching that this team has loads of talent compared to past years.