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RE: NBA Expansion/realignment
(01-11-2018 10:49 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
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(01-08-2018 07:51 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The last thing the NBA needs to do is expand.

If anything, they need to cut the league in half.

I would go that far, but the past expansion teams could be eliminated. I guess MIA is viable but the rest can go.

They could just demote half of the league to the minors. The quality of play would skyrocket.
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RE: NBA Expansion/realignment
(01-11-2018 12:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:49 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 08:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 07:51 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The last thing the NBA needs to do is expand.

If anything, they need to cut the league in half.

I would go that far, but the past expansion teams could be eliminated. I guess MIA is viable but the rest can go.

They're not going to eliminate franchises that make money.

Also, the NBA would make less TV money if they reduced the inventory of available games and eliminated existing markets. Though maybe TV wouldn't care as much if only smaller markets were eliminated -- as mentioned here before, the smallest NBA markets, per current Nielsen rankings [PDF file], are #36 Milwaukee, #41 Oklahoma City, #50 Memphis, and #51 New Orleans. Only the last two are in any danger of eventual relocation, IMO. The Bucks recently got gullible state and local politicians to pay for a new arena, and the OKC owners are very wealthy even by NBA-owner standards.

TV is another reason to get an NBA franchise into Seattle, which is the 12th-largest TV market.

I understand what you're saying about inventory of games but just imagine if you had fewer fluff games with bad teams. Imagine if the league was 16-20 teams. That would mean that many more LeBron-Steph Curry showdowns, more James Harden-Russell Westbrook...basically more games with more stars. That is if they didn't reduce the amount of games. As it stands now, the NBA season is a bore and sharade until the postseason. They probably should just do a league-wide round robin but won't for the reasons you stated.

But again, fewer teams means more games with bigger stars and fewer small markets, which the NBA has more of than any other league except the NHL, which usually has them in places that care about the NHL.
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RE: NBA Expansion/realignment
(01-11-2018 02:18 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 12:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:49 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 08:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 07:51 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The last thing the NBA needs to do is expand.

If anything, they need to cut the league in half.

I would go that far, but the past expansion teams could be eliminated. I guess MIA is viable but the rest can go.

They're not going to eliminate franchises that make money.

Also, the NBA would make less TV money if they reduced the inventory of available games and eliminated existing markets. Though maybe TV wouldn't care as much if only smaller markets were eliminated -- as mentioned here before, the smallest NBA markets, per current Nielsen rankings [PDF file], are #36 Milwaukee, #41 Oklahoma City, #50 Memphis, and #51 New Orleans. Only the last two are in any danger of eventual relocation, IMO. The Bucks recently got gullible state and local politicians to pay for a new arena, and the OKC owners are very wealthy even by NBA-owner standards.

TV is another reason to get an NBA franchise into Seattle, which is the 12th-largest TV market.

I understand what you're saying about inventory of games but just imagine if you had fewer fluff games with bad teams. Imagine if the league was 16-20 teams. That would mean that many more LeBron-Steph Curry showdowns, more James Harden-Russell Westbrook...basically more games with more stars. That is if they didn't reduce the amount of games. As it stands now, the NBA season is a bore and sharade until the postseason. They probably should just do a league-wide round robin but won't for the reasons you stated.

But again, fewer teams means more games with bigger stars and fewer small markets, which the NBA has more of than any other league except the NHL, which usually has them in places that care about the NHL.

Market size doesn't affect my enjoyment of games as a fan, but having more interesting games to watch does. I agree that it would be more enjoyable as fans to watch more Warriors-Rockets and Celtics-Cavs, less Warriors-Grizzlies and Celtics-Hawks, but contraction doesn't make economic sense for the league (including the fact that the league would have to buy each contracted franchise from its owners) and reducing the number of regular season games doesn't, either, unless ticket sales and TV ratings drop drastically.
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RE: NBA Expansion/realignment
Again, you just demote some franchises to a minor league, even if it has to be created. That way the fans of those teams still have the same franchise to follow. You could even do that European soccer mess of promotion and relegation so they still have hope of winning an NBA title. But the quality of the NBA would skyrocket with fewer teams and more star showdowns.
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C2: there's a REASON the USA doesn't do relegation: it's stupid and ruins the business model of pro sports!
01-11-2018 06:31 PM
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Not as stupid as you might think. It's just the way sports developed here. There's no reason baseball, for example couldn't have done it though now it's probably too late because all but a few brands have been firmly established.
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RE: NBA Expansion/realignment
(01-11-2018 12:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:49 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 08:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 07:51 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The last thing the NBA needs to do is expand.

If anything, they need to cut the league in half.

I would go that far, but the past expansion teams could be eliminated. I guess MIA is viable but the rest can go.

They're not going to eliminate franchises that make money.

Also, the NBA would make less TV money if they reduced the inventory of available games and eliminated existing markets. Though maybe TV wouldn't care as much if only smaller markets were eliminated -- as mentioned here before, the smallest NBA markets, per current Nielsen rankings [PDF file], are #36 Milwaukee, #41 Oklahoma City, #50 Memphis, and #51 New Orleans. Only the last two are in any danger of eventual relocation, IMO. The Bucks recently got gullible state and local politicians to pay for a new arena, and the OKC owners are very wealthy even by NBA-owner standards.

TV is another reason to get an NBA franchise into Seattle, which is the 12th-largest TV market.

I understand that, but the lack of team talent that the larger league has created is an issue the NBA has turned a blind eye to in the name of expansion fees. How valuable is the inventory if no one wants to watch? Hell, even the Hawks Are losing money despite being in the number 8 TV market.
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Send 10-15 teams to a minor league.
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(01-11-2018 08:09 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 12:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:49 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 08:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 07:51 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The last thing the NBA needs to do is expand.

If anything, they need to cut the league in half.

I would go that far, but the past expansion teams could be eliminated. I guess MIA is viable but the rest can go.

They're not going to eliminate franchises that make money.

Also, the NBA would make less TV money if they reduced the inventory of available games and eliminated existing markets. Though maybe TV wouldn't care as much if only smaller markets were eliminated -- as mentioned here before, the smallest NBA markets, per current Nielsen rankings [PDF file], are #36 Milwaukee, #41 Oklahoma City, #50 Memphis, and #51 New Orleans. Only the last two are in any danger of eventual relocation, IMO. The Bucks recently got gullible state and local politicians to pay for a new arena, and the OKC owners are very wealthy even by NBA-owner standards.

TV is another reason to get an NBA franchise into Seattle, which is the 12th-largest TV market.

I understand that, but the lack of team talent that the larger league has created is an issue the NBA has turned a blind eye to in the name of expansion fees. How valuable is the inventory if no one wants to watch? Hell, even the Hawks Are losing money despite being in the number 8 TV market.

There isn't a lack of talent, only a lack of distribution of talent. The biggest issue is that most elite players don't want to be the only elite player on their team. That's why we had "The Heatles" and Durant-to-the-Warriors. The salary cap was supposed to even out the distribution of talent, but when players like Durant are willing to take less in salary to play on their team of choice, the cap helps some but can't completely prevent the clustering of elite players.
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RE: NBA Expansion/realignment
(01-12-2018 12:21 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 08:09 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 12:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 10:49 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 08:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  If anything, they need to cut the league in half.

I would go that far, but the past expansion teams could be eliminated. I guess MIA is viable but the rest can go.

They're not going to eliminate franchises that make money.

Also, the NBA would make less TV money if they reduced the inventory of available games and eliminated existing markets. Though maybe TV wouldn't care as much if only smaller markets were eliminated -- as mentioned here before, the smallest NBA markets, per current Nielsen rankings [PDF file], are #36 Milwaukee, #41 Oklahoma City, #50 Memphis, and #51 New Orleans. Only the last two are in any danger of eventual relocation, IMO. The Bucks recently got gullible state and local politicians to pay for a new arena, and the OKC owners are very wealthy even by NBA-owner standards.

TV is another reason to get an NBA franchise into Seattle, which is the 12th-largest TV market.

I understand that, but the lack of team talent that the larger league has created is an issue the NBA has turned a blind eye to in the name of expansion fees. How valuable is the inventory if no one wants to watch? Hell, even the Hawks Are losing money despite being in the number 8 TV market.

There isn't a lack of talent, only a lack of distribution of talent. The biggest issue is that most elite players don't want to be the only elite player on their team. That's why we had "The Heatles" and Durant-to-the-Warriors. The salary cap was supposed to even out the distribution of talent, but when players like Durant are willing to take less in salary to play on their team of choice, the cap helps some but can't completely prevent the clustering of elite players.

I don’t think there are 32 stars in the NBA, let alone the 2 that it appears a teams needs to be competitive in the association today.
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