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(01-08-2018 03:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 02:46 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Which chain reaction is more likely:

A) SEC

1) All 3 (OU, OSU, UT) to SEC
2) KU (and perhaps ISU and KSU) to B1G
3) Remaining BIG XII merge with AAC-W

B) PAC-XII

1) All 3 to PAC 12
2) PAC 12 adds a MWC team (or BYU), becoming PAC 16
3) WVU to ACC
4) ISU to B1G
5) Remaining BIG XII merge with MWC

The trouble with the options here is that the one with the more plausible opening move (B) has very implausible events in the chain reaction. ISU (let alone KSU) to the Big Ten is perhaps the most implausible. Also, the Pac will not add BYU, and no current MWC schools move the needle.

If there is a OU/OSU/UT move to the Pac, TT is very likely to be along for the ride. There is no guarantee of a power conference landing spot for any other Big 12 schools though. The Big Ten might pick up Kansas, they might not. The SEC or ACC might pick up WV, but probably not. So if there is no salvation, the remnant Big 12 picks up 4 schools from the AAC and you get the "Tweener 10":

East: Cincinnati, UCF, UConn, USF, WV
West: Baylor, ISU, Kansas, KSU, TCU

They'd take Houston before they took Uconn. I'd add both Houston and ECU to that list for a more attractive lineup.
01-08-2018 03:50 PM
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(01-08-2018 03:47 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Nerdinger: I'm inclined to agree with your scenario. But 1 question: is WVU to the B1G or AAC plausible?

Did you mean B1G or ACC? WVU might be an option as Notre Dame's +1, but ND might have some influence as to who their partner is if they ever joined ACC football. That could well be Navy. As long as the myth of full ND membership is dangling out there, though, the ACC isn't going to add anyone.
01-08-2018 03:55 PM
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(01-08-2018 03:55 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 03:47 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Nerdinger: I'm inclined to agree with your scenario. But 1 question: is WVU to the B1G or AAC plausible?

Did you mean B1G or ACC? WVU might be an option as Notre Dame's +1, but ND might have some influence as to who their partner is if they ever joined ACC football. That could well be Navy. As long as the myth of full ND membership is dangling out there, though, the ACC isn't going to add anyone.

The service academies aren't joining a P conference by their own choosing. More than likely N.D. would be looking for someone besides Navy, who they would still play anyway.

The academies give up too much of a weight disadvantage to the P schools (about 80lbs per lineman on the OL and DL). They suffer too many career ending injuries and that comes at a cost to tax payer investment in that cadet or midshipman, and is contrary to their objective, the training of career military officers.

While they've backed off some on height and weight restrictions it still leaves a daunting disadvantage to their players. They like being able to play a P school or two a year but find the weight issues less troublesome playing down a step in FBS. They like bowls, but anything that fell after Jan 1 interferes with their academic calendar so they aren't concerned about the CFP either.

I'd look for somebody else that N.D. might like to play, but who that could be outside of maybe Cincinnati, I don't know.
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JR: Cincy was going to be the other team I suggested. You're exactly right about the academies being poor fits for P5.

Kurts: yes I did mean the American. I've been told REPEATEDLY that WVU will NEVER get an ACC invite.
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(01-08-2018 03:47 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Nerdinger: I'm inclined to agree with your scenario. But 1 question: is WVU to the B1G or AAC plausible?

To the Big Ten, out of the question. WV is very far from being an AAU institution.

AAC if the Big 12 dissolves, but that's very unlikely unless all or almost all Big 12 schools have a power conference home and vote to dissolve the conference. If not, whoever's left in the Big 12 is going down with the ship.

(01-08-2018 03:50 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  They'd take Houston before they took Uconn. I'd add both Houston and ECU to that list for a more attractive lineup.

Maybe Houston over UConn. In that case, I guess ISU shifts to the East Division.
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(01-08-2018 04:16 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  JR: Cincy was going to be the other team I suggested. You're exactly right about the academies being poor fits for P5.

Kurts: yes I did mean the American. I've been told REPEATEDLY that WVU will NEVER get an ACC invite.

It's unlikely WV will get an ACC invite, but not impossible. The ACC looks down their nose on WV, but when they took UL they showed they were willing to compromise their standards somewhat.
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I agree that Louisville kneecapped their holier than thou attitude. Are my Huskies a viable invite? Adding either means renewing great rivalries.
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(01-08-2018 04:31 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I agree that Louisville kneecapped their holier than thou attitude. Are my Huskies a viable invite? Adding either means renewing great rivalries.

we need to beat Tulsa before begging for a p5 spot...
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RE: If OU brings BOTH rivals to a new conference
Lots of good stuff here. JR and I have discussed this before and I highly respect his thoughts and others. Personally, I do not care where the Big12 teams go, but I think it would be best for all concerned if the the P5 went to four conferences.

It is my belief that Texas will not move to the SEC unless the stars align against them....or as JR has suggested ESPN works some magic. I must say though that Texas is use to having their way and they do not like being pushed. Plus they have a ton of money. They do not seem to like the SEC culture and right or wrong, they appear to frown on their academics. I know the arguments about some the Big12 schools etc. Most importantly, I do not think they will follow A&M anywhere. Texas has a lot of pride in who they are and rightly so.

If Texas is willing to change conferences, and I believe they will, then I think that the realignment battle will be between the Big10 and the PAC. I can see OU, KU, Texas and one other (Missouri?) to the Big10. Also, I can see OU, OSU, Texas, Tech and possibly KU and KSU to the PAC.

The Big10 could offer a West Division made up of Texas, OU, KU, Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern and Wisconsin. The newbies would be playing in six states they have a history with. The PAC could offer a six team POD or an East Division that would negate travel concerns.

If Texas does not want to move, for various reasons, that changes things.

I am not sure about OU and KU to the Big. Would OU want to leave both OSU and Texas behind. Would the Big want just those two.

Would the PAC take OU, OSU, Tech etc. without Texas. Considering their current situation they might.

If the above options failed then the SEC could invite OU and OSU together, plus just about anyone else they wanted. In that event OU might have to decide whether to go to the BIG sans OSU and Texas or to the SEC with OSU.

It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out in the next few years.
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(01-08-2018 04:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Would the PAC take OU, OSU, Tech etc. without Texas. Considering their current situation they might.

The Pac would not take TT without UT. The Pac might possibly take OU (and in turn OSU) without UT, but it's unlikely. Pac expansion virtually requires that UT join.
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