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Its nice that standards are objective, but I hope a division/conference title that means a spot in the CFP never comes down to something like the AFC used to break their 4 way wild care tie.
http://buffalonews.com/2018/01/02/the-la...-playoffs/

"...The Chargers' head-to-head win over the Bills didn't come into to play because it wasn't a two-team tie. For groups of tied teams from different divisions, record in conference games is the first tiebreaker used. The Titans had the best record against AFC teams (8-4), so they earned the fifth seed.

In the tiebreaker for the sixth seed, the Bills and Ravens went 7-5 against conference foes while the Chargers went 6-6, so the Chargers were eliminated.

That sent the Bills and Ravens to two-team tiebreakers. They didn't play head-to-head and tied on conference record, so the next tiebreaker was record against common opponents, which requires a minimum of four games needed to apply the tiebreaker. Their common opponents were the Dolphins, Bengals, Colts and Raiders, with each team playing its division opponent twice. The Bills' Week 17 win over the Dolphins combined with the Ravens' late collapse against the Bengals moved them both to 4-1 in games against those teams.

So the Bills and Ravens had to go to the fourth tiebreaker, which is strength of victory, or the winning percentage of teams you've beaten. The teams the Bills beat posted a winning percentage of .396 while the teams the Ravens beat finished .299. That difference sent the Bills to the playoffs....
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Texas Tech's 2008 football team says hi.
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That team had no leverage, they got creamed in their only loss. Technically they were in a three way tie for first but style points matter.
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(01-07-2018 02:22 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  That team had no leverage, they got creamed in their only loss. Technically they were in a three way tie for first but style points matter.

That reasoning is no more or less valid than the NFL tiebreaker about which Bullet was complaining.
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(01-07-2018 01:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Texas Tech's 2008 football team says hi.


Rice’s 1994 SWC champion football team says hi back at-cha.
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The whole SWC that year it seems.
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That's why you keep ties. Because of how rare they are, it makes figuring these things out so much easier 07-coffee3
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(01-07-2018 07:31 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  That's why you keep ties. Because of how rare they are, it makes figuring these things out so much easier 07-coffee3

With ties instead of OT:

-- The 2008 Big 12 tie for first place would have been a 2-way tie between OU and UT at 7-1; TTU would have been 6-1-1 (they beat Nebraska in OT that season).

-- The Ravens and Chargers (9-6-1) would have made the NFL playoffs this season instead of the Bills and Titans (8-7-1).
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(01-07-2018 06:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The whole SWC that year it seems.

All but UH, SMU and A&M.

SMU cheated and was just back from the death penalty. A&M cheated and was on probation. UH cheated and was short on recruits. Everybody else tied for the title.
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(01-07-2018 08:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 06:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The whole SWC that year it seems.

All but UH, SMU and A&M.

SMU cheated and was just back from the death penalty. A&M cheated and was on probation. UH cheated and was short on recruits. Everybody else tied for the title.


Texas was the only clean school
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(01-07-2018 07:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 07:31 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  That's why you keep ties. Because of how rare they are, it makes figuring these things out so much easier :coffee3:

With ties instead of OT:

-- The 2008 Big 12 tie for first place would have been a 2-way tie between OU and UT at 7-1; TTU would have been 6-1-1 (they beat Nebraska in OT that season).

-- The Ravens and Chargers (9-6-1) would have made the NFL playoffs this season instead of the Bills and Titans (8-7-1).

I meant for the NFL...
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(01-07-2018 09:46 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 08:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 06:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The whole SWC that year it seems.

All but UH, SMU and A&M.

SMU cheated and was just back from the death penalty. A&M cheated and was on probation. UH cheated and was short on recruits. Everybody else tied for the title.


Texas was the only clean school

LOL, that's a good one. They were the only one who wasn't publicly caught cheating maybe. Them and Rice.
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Now we are arguing against objectivity presumably in favor of the subjectivity that causes controversy nearly every single year? That’s an interesting approach.

There’s a reason why people weren’t whining about that admittedly convoluted playoff tie-breaking procedure in the NFL. It’s because they knew the rules beforehand and the rules are the rules no matter if you are the Dallas Cowboys or the Los Angeles Chargers.

In college football, the rules are the rules for some until they’re not the rules and they need to be changed. That’s why people are always so upset.
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(01-14-2018 09:19 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Now we are arguing against objectivity presumably in favor of the subjectivity that causes controversy nearly every single year? That’s an interesting approach.

There’s a reason why people weren’t whining about that admittedly convoluted playoff tie-breaking procedure in the NFL. It’s because they knew the rules beforehand and the rules are the rules no matter if you are the Dallas Cowboys or the Los Angeles Chargers.

That's true, but on the other hand, that's not necessarily a good thing. I think that psychologically, people have a preference for 'procedural equality' even if the procedure is nonsensical.

But the goal should be to come as close as possible to "getting it right", not necessarily reducing complaints, and they don't always go hand in hand.

E.g., if we go to "conference auto-bids", then maybe in 2020 an 8-4 team that wins the PAC goes to the playoffs while an 11-1 B1G team (with a tougher SOS) loses in the CCG doesn't. The preference for procedural fairness may mean nobody complains, even though the 11-1 B1G team may clearly have had a better year and thus be more deserving of a playoff spot.

To me, that's not a good thing even though it has shut complaining up.
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