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The Big Ten needs Nebraska to return to national prominence. It needs that western division to become a triad of strong Husker, Hawkeye, and Badger programs to counterbalance the 4 strong eastern schools. Adding Oklahoma would also lend credibility to the west as well.
01-07-2018 09:48 PM
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RE: Big home run
(01-07-2018 09:48 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Big Ten needs Nebraska to return to national prominence. It needs that western division to become a triad of strong Husker, Hawkeye, and Badger programs to counterbalance the 4 strong eastern schools. Adding Oklahoma would also lend credibility to the west as well.

Well, on the other hand if you expanded to the East, Michigan and Michigan State would probably shift back to the West.
01-07-2018 09:51 PM
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(01-07-2018 09:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 09:48 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Big Ten needs Nebraska to return to national prominence. It needs that western division to become a triad of strong Husker, Hawkeye, and Badger programs to counterbalance the 4 strong eastern schools. Adding Oklahoma would also lend credibility to the west as well.

Well, on the other hand if you expanded to the East, Michigan and Michigan State would probably shift back to the West.

Aside from Norte Dame, which isn't even a true Eastern program, there aren't a whole lot of home run eastern adds. Sure there was the gambit to add the ACC AAUs but even had that worked they'd probably be put in a pod. If the Irish wanted to join and wanted an eastern school as a companion we'd be happy to comply
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(01-07-2018 09:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 07:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 02:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It is possible there will be some type of reorganization from the Northeastern schools (Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Boston College, UConn), but - as with everything - money will drive the movement. With cable being non-existent in 30 years, it's very possible we will see more geographic conferences from the non-blue blood power program.

Rather than Maryland and Penn State leaving Ohio State, Michigan, et al., IMO it's more likely that the most significant "eastern" reorganization will be the Big Ten East schools solidifying their eastern presence (and maybe making another run at schools in the south) while splitting from most of their western brethren. There is already a very significant imbalance between the eastern and western halves of the Big Ten, in both population base and overall TV value.

IMO, it is likely that eventually the Big 10 East encompasses more of New England and the Beltway states. The schools in the deep South would rather be in the SEC and if the Big 10 pushed in that direction they would be.

Maybe. I think that ultimately super-large conferences would lead to splits. A 16-team league might not be stable, and 20 even more so.
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(01-07-2018 09:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 09:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 07:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 02:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It is possible there will be some type of reorganization from the Northeastern schools (Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Boston College, UConn), but - as with everything - money will drive the movement. With cable being non-existent in 30 years, it's very possible we will see more geographic conferences from the non-blue blood power program.

Rather than Maryland and Penn State leaving Ohio State, Michigan, et al., IMO it's more likely that the most significant "eastern" reorganization will be the Big Ten East schools solidifying their eastern presence (and maybe making another run at schools in the south) while splitting from most of their western brethren. There is already a very significant imbalance between the eastern and western halves of the Big Ten, in both population base and overall TV value.

IMO, it is likely that eventually the Big 10 East encompasses more of New England and the Beltway states. The schools in the deep South would rather be in the SEC and if the Big 10 pushed in that direction they would be.

Maybe. I think that ultimately super-large conferences would lead to splits. A 16-team league might not be stable, and 20 even more so.

It's a different kind of stability at that size. You're a confederation built to control and bundle media content at that point. You're stable in that you're all joined together and not at risk for losing your revenue streams but the sense of common identity is lost somewhat
01-07-2018 10:00 PM
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(01-07-2018 05:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Meh, it's a bit too soon to say.

As Zhou Enlai famously quipped about the French Revolution.
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RE: Big home run
(01-07-2018 09:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 09:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 07:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 02:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It is possible there will be some type of reorganization from the Northeastern schools (Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Penn State, Boston College, UConn), but - as with everything - money will drive the movement. With cable being non-existent in 30 years, it's very possible we will see more geographic conferences from the non-blue blood power program.

Rather than Maryland and Penn State leaving Ohio State, Michigan, et al., IMO it's more likely that the most significant "eastern" reorganization will be the Big Ten East schools solidifying their eastern presence (and maybe making another run at schools in the south) while splitting from most of their western brethren. There is already a very significant imbalance between the eastern and western halves of the Big Ten, in both population base and overall TV value.

IMO, it is likely that eventually the Big 10 East encompasses more of New England and the Beltway states. The schools in the deep South would rather be in the SEC and if the Big 10 pushed in that direction they would be.

Maybe. I think that ultimately super-large conferences would lead to splits. A 16-team league might not be stable, and 20 even more so.

In the history of the sport, conferences are a response to the economic conditions of the times. They will grow larger until those conditions make it more prudent to splinter. Right now the conditions favor larger groups for leverage and scheduling. If the economy really tightens then divisions might become conferences. But what I don't see an age of independents. No independent school earns what the members of a P conference earn. Right now with the networks at the zenith of their power and with streaming looming, scheduling and leverage will continue to be important.
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(01-07-2018 02:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  As for Boise State? They should be making the same amount of money the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, PAC 12 and SEC for their ratings in football. Especially in bowl games. As it is, the fans are being driven away from the P5 schools and going towards the top G5 schools. The only way to do this is to do a collective bargaining for all D1 schools and spread the wealth equally.

Yeah, you lost me here
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(01-07-2018 09:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 07:16 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 05:42 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 05:17 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  In some ways, but for Maryland hoops fans - and as the article notes, in terms of passion Maryland is a basketball school and always will be - the B1G will never be the same as playing Virginia and the Carolina schools. Those were 60+ year hoops rivalries that were lost. They face the same problem Nebraska faces on the other end - losing all those generations-old Big 8 rivalries in football to get that B1G money.

But that's the great thing about realignment, it creates NEW rivalries.

Where?

I'd venture to say that if Scott Frost can turn the Husker program around that Nebraska/Wisconsin could become a huge rivalry. In fact, that whole division could make for some interesting match-ups if PJ can get it together as well.

Penn State has had some very good teams over those years, but since joining the B1G 23 years ago has utterly failed to develop any rivalries.

Not really sure how the dynamics will work in the Big Ten East, but leaving the ACC has worked out tremendously for South Carolina. New rivalries (whether they'll admit it or not) with UGA and UF to go along with Clemson.

I'm sure in the early 70s SC fans bemoaned not playing GT, NC State, and UNC every year but time heals all wounds.
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(01-08-2018 09:05 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 09:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 07:16 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 05:42 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 05:17 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  But that's the great thing about realignment, it creates NEW rivalries.

Where?

I'd venture to say that if Scott Frost can turn the Husker program around that Nebraska/Wisconsin could become a huge rivalry. In fact, that whole division could make for some interesting match-ups if PJ can get it together as well.

Penn State has had some very good teams over those years, but since joining the B1G 23 years ago has utterly failed to develop any rivalries.

Not really sure how the dynamics will work in the Big Ten East, but leaving the ACC has worked out tremendously for South Carolina. New rivalries (whether they'll admit it or not) with UGA and UF to go along with Clemson.

I'm sure in the early 70s SC fans bemoaned not playing GT, NC State, and UNC every year but time heals all wounds.

Yes, the SEC has been far better at assimilating its expansion teams. It has done a good job inviting schools like SC with a very similar cultural heritage. Mizzou is arguably the only outlier.
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