How much square footage of land is owned by individuals in the urban areas compared to individuals in the rural areas?
I'd rather be Ted Nuget than Bill Gates.

(01-07-2018 11:01 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 10:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 10:43 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 05:18 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 05:15 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  It isn't about which we refer. It is about how to improve economic conditions in the rural areas when most of the political power has shifted to the urban / suburban pockets. For instance, economic incentives, infrastructure like internet, highways, natural gas, water and sewer. We've got to get away from the, us vs them mentality and work to make it possible to live and work in our rural areas if that is where we choose. We are all in this together.

legalize weed.....that would easily kick start many of the abandoned rural centers....
funny how that can work in tandem.....

I cant even imagine what would happen here... where tobacco was such a part of the economy for so long. Id actually rather see industrial growth instead of that..but..It would be an interesting thing to see happen.

I'm easily lobbying for the hemp side of the equation more so than the smoke.....
I personally prefer both, but would kill to see hemp agri- legislation developed in isolation...
I believe it's THE missing link.....

I am 100% in favor of legalizing both. But I don't see hemp as quite the silver bullet that some people do. Yes, it's a very useful crop in many ways. But turning around an entire economy seems a tad much to ask.

I'm in favor, just don't have the wild expectations that some do.

I guess Ive been a bit out of touch with what is happening with Hemp. Actually Obama removed industrial hemp from the controlled substances act in a 2104 farm bill as long as the THC levels are below .3%. That leaves hemp production now up to the States. In 2017, 38 states have now have either pilot programs, studies or moderate scale production ongoing with about 23,000 (doubled from 2016) acres currently being planted and harvested. Kentucky seems to be the leader thus far in this.

Hemp is an interesting agricultural product. It is estimated that there are over 25000 uses for the plant including food, paper, chemicals, building materials, cloth, cosmetics and even beverages. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I could see this being a competitor of cotton due to its numerous uses. The key...like any product will be demand.

(01-07-2018 12:40 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 11:01 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 10:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 10:43 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 05:18 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  legalize weed.....that would easily kick start many of the abandoned rural centers....
funny how that can work in tandem.....

I cant even imagine what would happen here... where tobacco was such a part of the economy for so long. Id actually rather see industrial growth instead of that..but..It would be an interesting thing to see happen.

I'm easily lobbying for the hemp side of the equation more so than the smoke.....
I personally prefer both, but would kill to see hemp agri- legislation developed in isolation...
I believe it's THE missing link.....

I am 100% in favor of legalizing both. But I don't see hemp as quite the silver bullet that some people do. Yes, it's a very useful crop in many ways. But turning around an entire economy seems a tad much to ask.

I'm in favor, just don't have the wild expectations that some do.

I guess Ive been a bit out of touch with what is happening with Hemp. Actually Obama removed industrial hemp from the controlled substances act in a 2104 farm bill as long as the THC levels are below .3%. That leaves hemp production now up to the States. In 2017, 38 states have now have either pilot programs, studies or moderate scale production ongoing with about 23,000 (doubled from 2016) acres currently being planted and harvested. Kentucky seems to be the leader thus far in this.

Hemp is an interesting agricultural product. It is estimated that there are over 25000 uses for the plant including food, paper, chemicals, building materials, cloth, cosmetics and even beverages. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I could see this being a competitor of cotton due to its numerous uses. The key...like any product will be demand.

If it was legal in Kentucky I would convert my deer food plots to sun hemp ASAP. That stuff is awesome.

(01-07-2018 11:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  How much square footage of land is owned by individuals in the urban areas compared to individuals in the rural areas?
I'd rather be Ted Nuget than Bill Gates.

This

My dream in life is to own enough land that I can’t see the closest house to me.

Trespassers shot onsite

(01-07-2018 10:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 09:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 01:49 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 05:15 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  It isn't about which we refer. It is about how to improve economic conditions in the rural areas when most of the political power has shifted to the urban / suburban pockets. For instance, economic incentives, infrastructure like internet, highways, natural gas, water and sewer. We've got to get away from the, us vs them mentality and work to make it possible to live and work in our rural areas if that is where we choose. We are all in this together.

It's gonna be hard. These rural places end up losing their young folks. These areas also often have leadership that think anything added to their town would ruin it, regardless of the jobs or opportunities it would create. My old roommate is a regional planner in Eastern NC, where even adding sidewalks or providing large address markers to help emergency responders can be a pain with the locals.

BUT, there may be a light at the end of the tunnel here. In site selection, a lot of companies (mostly foreign) are looking at rural areas with decent access to an urban area. That's why, if there's anything that I would hope for from the Trump admin, I hope for the infrastructure improvements that will connect these rural areas to the cities (and not these 100 turns and a highway until you get to the interstate things). I also hope he continues/expands the Obama-era funding of community colleges.

Access to the cities and good local continuing ed opportunities to train people would help a lot.

Walmart has hurt a lot of these towns. Instead of small stores run by local entrepeneurs, Walmarts 30 miles away have driven them out of business. And Walmart has one manager and a bunch of minimum wage people.

Walmart is an interesting topic. While it is true that local "Mom and Pops" can't compete with Walmart and suffer unless they offer very specialized inventories, Im not sure that the overall impact is as negative as it is often portrayed...especially in smaller rural areas.

The store in my town employees over 300 people. It is a large, high volume outlet. It does have one general manager but has about 2 dozen asst. and department managers that make up to $15 to $17 per hour. No one makes minimum wage BTW. Wages start around 9 dollars an hour for cashiers. Sure... not a lot of money..but...they generally make more than what the "Mom and Pop" stores could afford to pay a cashier. Also... our store like many in rural areas is in an area where the cost of living is low. That 9 dollar per hour here is like making 12-15 in an urban area. Another thing to consider in all of this is that Walmart drives prices down. In areas where the cost of living is low that makes peoples dollar stretch much further.

For the record...Im not a fanboy when it comes to Walmart. It has its negatives and its shopping experience is at best average. I do however think it probably gets more negative spin than it deserves.

It does drive a lot of the entrepreneurs out of the area. You have to be highly specialized to survive. And it guts towns for miles around. Every town used to have their locally owned/franchised 5 and dime, Ben Franklin and similar stores. Hardware stores have the same issue, but not quite as bad, facing Lowe's and Home Depot.

Its a whole class of leaders that can't thrive in the small towns. School districts and county governments become the main employers, unless the county is lucky enough to have a hospital.

(01-07-2018 12:45 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 12:40 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 11:01 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 10:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 10:43 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I cant even imagine what would happen here... where tobacco was such a part of the economy for so long. Id actually rather see industrial growth instead of that..but..It would be an interesting thing to see happen.

I'm easily lobbying for the hemp side of the equation more so than the smoke.....
I personally prefer both, but would kill to see hemp agri- legislation developed in isolation...
I believe it's THE missing link.....

I am 100% in favor of legalizing both. But I don't see hemp as quite the silver bullet that some people do. Yes, it's a very useful crop in many ways. But turning around an entire economy seems a tad much to ask.

I'm in favor, just don't have the wild expectations that some do.

I guess Ive been a bit out of touch with what is happening with Hemp. Actually Obama removed industrial hemp from the controlled substances act in a 2104 farm bill as long as the THC levels are below .3%. That leaves hemp production now up to the States. In 2017, 38 states have now have either pilot programs, studies or moderate scale production ongoing with about 23,000 (doubled from 2016) acres currently being planted and harvested. Kentucky seems to be the leader thus far in this.

Hemp is an interesting agricultural product. It is estimated that there are over 25000 uses for the plant including food, paper, chemicals, building materials, cloth, cosmetics and even beverages. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I could see this being a competitor of cotton due to its numerous uses. The key...like any product will be demand.

If it was legal in Kentucky I would convert my deer food plots to sun hemp ASAP. That stuff is awesome.

it's also not in the 'sip...

we had proposition 48 (of all numbers, eh) that req'd too many sigs to even come close to seeing the ballot over a year ago.....was both for medicinal, home grow, and hemp agriculture....

at least we've decriminalized 1 wizard (oz) or under.....

you know I was pissed...

(01-07-2018 11:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  How much square footage of land is owned by individuals in the urban areas compared to individuals in the rural areas?
I'd rather be Ted Nuget than Bill Gates.

Me too...11 years ago I came into a windfall and used it to purchase 26 acres of cleared land in a farm sale. I had it all planted in pines as a future investment and now get enough profit from the pine straw to help pay the taxes. There is a unexplainable satisfaction to walking the property. Ive been thinking lately about either moving a park model mobile home or building a cabin on the property for weekend getaways.

(01-07-2018 12:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 11:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  How much square footage of land is owned by individuals in the urban areas compared to individuals in the rural areas?
I'd rather be Ted Nuget than Bill Gates.

Me too...11 years ago I came into a windfall and used it to purchase 26 acres of cleared land in a farm sale. I had it all planted in pines as a future investment and now get enough profit from the pine straw to help pay the taxes. There is a unexplainable satisfaction to walking the property. Ive been thinking lately about either moving a park model mobile home or building a cabin on the property for weekend getaways.

you're talking my game plan.....

if hill-lair-liar wins, it was #costa....

either way, if I can survive another decade, y'all won't hear another peep out of nuts zongo.....

(01-07-2018 12:50 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 11:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  How much square footage of land is owned by individuals in the urban areas compared to individuals in the rural areas?
I'd rather be Ted Nuget than Bill Gates.

This

My dream in life is to own enough land that I can’t see the closest house to me.

Trespassers shot onsite

I have a close friend in the Greenville NC area that purchased a hunting preserve and home on close to 500 acres. We go there and stay often during ECU football seasons. It is like being in your own country. The private road in is about 1000 yards off the main road. You cant even hear the cars go by on the highway. Wildlife from turkeys to bear are all around. Pretty neat place to visit.

Dollar General stores are a good example of industry moving to rural areas.

(01-07-2018 01:09 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Dollar General stores are a good example of industry moving to rural areas.

GREAT POINT!!!

I'm a 20% discount coupin' DG fan on saturdays for TP, toothpaste, soap, deodorant, paper towels, nexium, etc every saturday....

they call me coupin' guy when I walk in.....their stores suck, but they're faster and cheaper when lookin' for shite paper products.....

it's the best deal going that too many don't take advantage of.....

I'll ride that horse as long as possible when it comes to the 'necessities'.....

addendum: plus you get to laugh at all the goons....

(01-07-2018 01:01 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 12:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 11:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  How much square footage of land is owned by individuals in the urban areas compared to individuals in the rural areas?
I'd rather be Ted Nuget than Bill Gates.

Me too...11 years ago I came into a windfall and used it to purchase 26 acres of cleared land in a farm sale. I had it all planted in pines as a future investment and now get enough profit from the pine straw to help pay the taxes. There is a unexplainable satisfaction to walking the property. Ive been thinking lately about either moving a park model mobile home or building a cabin on the property for weekend getaways.

you're talking my game plan.....

if hill-lair-liar wins, it was #costa....

either way, if I can survive another decade, y'all won't hear another peep out of nuts zongo.....

Im not sure what Im going to do. I have about 15 years until either I cut it for pulpwood or decide to do the first thinning and leave it to my daughter after my death. Im leaning on selling it when I retire. I should be able to make 4X my initial investment by then and use the profit to help buy a nice retirement home somewhere warm. Then again... Hell...I might just decide retire there.

(01-07-2018 01:21 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 01:01 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 12:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 11:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  How much square footage of land is owned by individuals in the urban areas compared to individuals in the rural areas?
I'd rather be Ted Nuget than Bill Gates.

Me too...11 years ago I came into a windfall and used it to purchase 26 acres of cleared land in a farm sale. I had it all planted in pines as a future investment and now get enough profit from the pine straw to help pay the taxes. There is a unexplainable satisfaction to walking the property. Ive been thinking lately about either moving a park model mobile home or building a cabin on the property for weekend getaways.

you're talking my game plan.....
if hill-lair-liar wins, it was #costa....
either way, if I can survive another decade, y'all won't hear another peep out of nuts zongo.....

Im not sure what Im going to do. I have about 15 years until either I cut it for pulpwood or decide to do the first thinning and leave it to my daughter after my death. Im leaning on selling it when I retire. I should be able to make 4X my initial investment by then and use the profit to help buy a nice retirement home somewhere warm. Then again... Hell...I might just decide retire there.

There doesn't sound like a bad option.

I'm now in the exurbs of Houston. I'm probably far enough out to be okay for as long as I have left, but Montgomery County has been doubling in population every 10 years since the 1970s, so it could get too crowded. I'm currently trapped between two golf courses and a lake, and it's paid for. As long as I am able, I'm pretty sure I'll be here.

(01-07-2018 01:09 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Dollar General stores are a good example of industry moving to rural areas.

They have a pretty good strategy. Put the stores in the middle of nowhere and offer basic things that folks will pay tiny bit more for instead of driving to the closest Walmart. Due to the low infrastructure cost they keep prices pretty competitive.

(01-07-2018 01:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 01:21 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 01:01 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 12:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 11:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  How much square footage of land is owned by individuals in the urban areas compared to individuals in the rural areas?
I'd rather be Ted Nuget than Bill Gates.

Me too...11 years ago I came into a windfall and used it to purchase 26 acres of cleared land in a farm sale. I had it all planted in pines as a future investment and now get enough profit from the pine straw to help pay the taxes. There is a unexplainable satisfaction to walking the property. Ive been thinking lately about either moving a park model mobile home or building a cabin on the property for weekend getaways.

you're talking my game plan.....
if hill-lair-liar wins, it was #costa....
either way, if I can survive another decade, y'all won't hear another peep out of nuts zongo.....

Im not sure what Im going to do. I have about 15 years until either I cut it for pulpwood or decide to do the first thinning and leave it to my daughter after my death. Im leaning on selling it when I retire. I should be able to make 4X my initial investment by then and use the profit to help buy a nice retirement home somewhere warm. Then again... Hell...I might just decide retire there.

There doesn't sound like a bad option.

I'm now in the exurbs of Houston. I'm probably far enough out to be okay for as long as I have left, but Montgomery County has been doubling in population every 10 years since the 1970s, so it could get too crowded. I'm currently trapped between two golf courses and a lake, and it's paid for. As long as I am able, I'm pretty sure I'll be here.

I could see myself in something like you describe close to the NC beaches at retirement. My only concern with golf course property is the HOA's and Yankee carpetbaggers in my area. Ive got a few years to ponder it..and..you never know what life will throw at you. Im 4 months in on trying to get my physical health back in order. Nothing matters if you don't have your health at retirement.

(01-07-2018 01:01 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 12:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 11:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  How much square footage of land is owned by individuals in the urban areas compared to individuals in the rural areas?
I'd rather be Ted Nuget than Bill Gates.

Me too...11 years ago I came into a windfall and used it to purchase 26 acres of cleared land in a farm sale. I had it all planted in pines as a future investment and now get enough profit from the pine straw to help pay the taxes. There is a unexplainable satisfaction to walking the property. Ive been thinking lately about either moving a park model mobile home or building a cabin on the property for weekend getaways.

you're talking my game plan.....

if hill-lair-liar wins, it was #costa....

either way, if I can survive another decade, y'all won't hear another peep out of nuts zongo.....

Yeppers. My youngest is a junior in HS and he graduates and we are heading north to the woods and the lake. Between satellite interwebs and not having a huge ego I can find a way to make a living be it as an attorney or otherwise. I'm about done with the rat race and a bunch of stupid whiny people everywhere I look.

(01-07-2018 01:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 01:01 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 12:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 11:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  How much square footage of land is owned by individuals in the urban areas compared to individuals in the rural areas?
I'd rather be Ted Nuget than Bill Gates.

Me too...11 years ago I came into a windfall and used it to purchase 26 acres of cleared land in a farm sale. I had it all planted in pines as a future investment and now get enough profit from the pine straw to help pay the taxes. There is a unexplainable satisfaction to walking the property. Ive been thinking lately about either moving a park model mobile home or building a cabin on the property for weekend getaways.

you're talking my game plan.....

if hill-lair-liar wins, it was #costa....

either way, if I can survive another decade, y'all won't hear another peep out of nuts zongo.....

Yeppers. My youngest is a junior in HS and he graduates and we are heading north to the woods and the lake. Between satellite interwebs and not having a huge ego I can find a way to make a living be it as an attorney or otherwise. I'm about done with the rat race and a bunch of stupid whiny people everywhere I look.

You bring up a good point. Living rurally with "means" is pretty damn good. We have seen a number of affluent people move into our area from Urban areas and live like kings. In fact...enough to support a couple of high end restaurants and a spa. Never thought any of this stuff would make it here in SENC.

Drones deliver food. Land is precious.

(01-07-2018 01:36 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 01:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 01:01 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 12:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 11:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  How much square footage of land is owned by individuals in the urban areas compared to individuals in the rural areas?
I'd rather be Ted Nuget than Bill Gates.

Me too...11 years ago I came into a windfall and used it to purchase 26 acres of cleared land in a farm sale. I had it all planted in pines as a future investment and now get enough profit from the pine straw to help pay the taxes. There is a unexplainable satisfaction to walking the property. Ive been thinking lately about either moving a park model mobile home or building a cabin on the property for weekend getaways.

you're talking my game plan.....

if hill-lair-liar wins, it was #costa....

either way, if I can survive another decade, y'all won't hear another peep out of nuts zongo.....

Yeppers. My youngest is a junior in HS and he graduates and we are heading north to the woods and the lake. Between satellite interwebs and not having a huge ego I can find a way to make a living be it as an attorney or otherwise. I'm about done with the rat race and a bunch of stupid whiny people everywhere I look.

You bring up a good point. Living rurally with "means" is pretty damn good. We have seen a number of affluent people move into our area from Urban areas and live like kings. In fact...enough to support a couple of high end restaurants and a spa. Never thought any of this stuff would make it here in SENC.

Properties I am looking at up north we can own a much newer home with a few dozen acres to play on outright with just the equity in the suburban home I have lived in for the past 15 years.

That is @ a 25k bump in annual salary just in not having a mortgage payment and the much higher taxes I am saddled with now in a good school district. When my kids are no longer in the school district, I'll pass the baton to another family and get the heck out of Dodge.

Its going to be primarily a lifestyle decision but those numbers make it a no brainer.

(01-07-2018 01:36 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Drones deliver food. Land is precious.

One thing is for sure....Technology will shape how we live our live in the future in ways we can't see now. We already see a large number of people being able to work from home. Businesses are becoming less and less dependent on brick and mortar infrastructure and more and more dependent on electronic infrastructure. It is going to be interesting to watch. We live in a truly amazing time. Id say as paradigm shifting as that of the industrial revolution.