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RE: CAA Conference Season
(01-10-2018 02:36 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 01:28 PM)82hawk Wrote:  He thinks we'll win 3 more? Ok, so 7-23 overall. Yikes.

Not what Mull thinks... or anyone by that matter. It's Ken Pom's projections based off of advanced metrics. Regardless, still doesn't look very good. Potentially, going from 29 wins to 7 wins in one season. Sheesh

And nearly 75% of the losses Keatts had in 3 full seasons here
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RE: CAA Conference Season
(01-10-2018 03:16 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 02:36 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 01:28 PM)82hawk Wrote:  He thinks we'll win 3 more? Ok, so 7-23 overall. Yikes.

Not what Mull thinks... or anyone by that matter. It's Ken Pom's projections based off of advanced metrics. Regardless, still doesn't look very good. Potentially, going from 29 wins to 7 wins in one season. Sheesh

And nearly 75% of the losses Keatts had in 3 full seasons here

Not an ideal start to the McGrath era, but understandable. Don't think there are many coaches out there including Keatts that could win with this roster. Losing 4/5 starters, 5 recruits, Sallah, Elmore's injury, and Richmond's dismissal...
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RE: CAA Conference Season
(01-10-2018 04:33 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:16 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 02:36 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 01:28 PM)82hawk Wrote:  He thinks we'll win 3 more? Ok, so 7-23 overall. Yikes.

Not what Mull thinks... or anyone by that matter. It's Ken Pom's projections based off of advanced metrics. Regardless, still doesn't look very good. Potentially, going from 29 wins to 7 wins in one season. Sheesh

And nearly 75% of the losses Keatts had in 3 full seasons here

Not an ideal start to the McGrath era, but understandable. Don't think there are many coaches out there including Keatts that could win with this roster. Losing 4/5 starters, 5 recruits, Sallah, Elmore's injury, and Richmond's dismissal...
On a roster of 14, State has 5 people left from last year they are 11-5
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RE: CAA Conference Season
(01-10-2018 04:47 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:33 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:16 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 02:36 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 01:28 PM)82hawk Wrote:  He thinks we'll win 3 more? Ok, so 7-23 overall. Yikes.

Not what Mull thinks... or anyone by that matter. It's Ken Pom's projections based off of advanced metrics. Regardless, still doesn't look very good. Potentially, going from 29 wins to 7 wins in one season. Sheesh

And nearly 75% of the losses Keatts had in 3 full seasons here

Not an ideal start to the McGrath era, but understandable. Don't think there are many coaches out there including Keatts that could win with this roster. Losing 4/5 starters, 5 recruits, Sallah, Elmore's injury, and Richmond's dismissal...
On a roster of 14, State has 5 people left from last year they are 11-5

Keatts has done a great job, but I do not see that team going to the NCAA Tournament and would be surprised if they finish at .500 or above in conference play. He has clearly stated that his team does not have the talent to compete in the ACC, Clemson and Notre Dame losses prove that. C.B. is in a similar situation. UNCW clearly does not have the talent to compete at the top of the conference this year. In his first year, due to the circumstances, I'm ok with that.
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RE: CAA Conference Season
(01-10-2018 04:47 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:33 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:16 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 02:36 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 01:28 PM)82hawk Wrote:  He thinks we'll win 3 more? Ok, so 7-23 overall. Yikes.

Not what Mull thinks... or anyone by that matter. It's Ken Pom's projections based off of advanced metrics. Regardless, still doesn't look very good. Potentially, going from 29 wins to 7 wins in one season. Sheesh

And nearly 75% of the losses Keatts had in 3 full seasons here

Not an ideal start to the McGrath era, but understandable. Don't think there are many coaches out there including Keatts that could win with this roster. Losing 4/5 starters, 5 recruits, Sallah, Elmore's injury, and Richmond's dismissal...
On a roster of 14, State has 5 people left from last year they are 11-5

Thats like comparing apples to oranges.
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RE: CAA Conference Season
(01-10-2018 07:15 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:47 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:33 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:16 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 02:36 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Not what Mull thinks... or anyone by that matter. It's Ken Pom's projections based off of advanced metrics. Regardless, still doesn't look very good. Potentially, going from 29 wins to 7 wins in one season. Sheesh

And nearly 75% of the losses Keatts had in 3 full seasons here

Not an ideal start to the McGrath era, but understandable. Don't think there are many coaches out there including Keatts that could win with this roster. Losing 4/5 starters, 5 recruits, Sallah, Elmore's injury, and Richmond's dismissal...
On a roster of 14, State has 5 people left from last year they are 11-5

Thats like comparing apples to oranges.
It's not. Both rosters had significant turnover and lose a majority of the key contributors. One has a winning record, one doesn't(not even close)
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RE: CAA Conference Season
(01-11-2018 09:02 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 07:15 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:47 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:33 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 03:16 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  And nearly 75% of the losses Keatts had in 3 full seasons here

Not an ideal start to the McGrath era, but understandable. Don't think there are many coaches out there including Keatts that could win with this roster. Losing 4/5 starters, 5 recruits, Sallah, Elmore's injury, and Richmond's dismissal...
On a roster of 14, State has 5 people left from last year they are 11-5

Thats like comparing apples to oranges.
It's not. Both rosters had significant turnover and lose a majority of the key contributors. One has a winning record, one doesn't(not even close)

UNCW has 3 players that played significant minutes in NCAA basketball prior to this season. Cacok, Talley, and Bryan(played 3 minutes against UVA). So that's 3 of their normal 8 man rotation.

NC State has 6 players of their 8 man rotation that have played significant minutes in NCAA basketball. 3 of which who have played/started for teams that made the Sweet 16. (A.Freeman, L. Freeman, and Abu) Dorn was Freshman POY in the CUSA, Yurtseven was a 5 star recruit. Beverly and Batts were 4 start recruits.

That is "comparing apples to oranges"
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RE: CAA Conference Season
(01-11-2018 11:47 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 09:02 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 07:15 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:47 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 04:33 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Not an ideal start to the McGrath era, but understandable. Don't think there are many coaches out there including Keatts that could win with this roster. Losing 4/5 starters, 5 recruits, Sallah, Elmore's injury, and Richmond's dismissal...
On a roster of 14, State has 5 people left from last year they are 11-5

Thats like comparing apples to oranges.
It's not. Both rosters had significant turnover and lose a majority of the key contributors. One has a winning record, one doesn't(not even close)

UNCW has 3 players that played significant minutes in NCAA basketball prior to this season. Cacok, Talley, and Bryan(played 3 minutes against UVA). So that's 3 of their normal 8 man rotation.

NC State has 6 players of their 8 man rotation that have played significant minutes in NCAA basketball. 3 of which who have played/started for teams that made the Sweet 16. (A.Freeman, L. Freeman, and Abu) Dorn was Freshman POY in the CUSA, Yurtseven was a 5 star recruit. Beverly and Batts were 4 start recruits.

That is "comparing apples to oranges"

Keatts also had a bigger jump on recruiting. We'll see what happens in the recruiting for the next two years. McGrath adamantly said that he has the contacts to build this team. I certainly hope so.
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RE: CAA Conference Season
(01-11-2018 12:18 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Keatts also had a bigger jump on recruiting. We'll see what happens in the recruiting for the next two years. McGrath adamantly said that he has the contacts to build this team. I certainly hope so.

No reason not to believe him there. Not only does he likely have his own strong connections, but he has Doug Esleeck's as well. Esleeck is a proven recruiter at the mid-major level.
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(01-11-2018 12:33 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 12:18 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Keatts also had a bigger jump on recruiting. We'll see what happens in the recruiting for the next two years. McGrath adamantly said that he has the contacts to build this team. I certainly hope so.

No reason not to believe him there. Not only does he likely have his own strong connections, but he has Doug Esleeck's as well. Esleeck is a proven recruiter at the mid-major level.

I certainly believe he has the connections, but the question is, will he be able to sell UNCW after what is likely to be a historically bad season.
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