(01-05-2018 02:10 PM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  I like it. I'm not sure the P5 would agree to all conference champs with only 2 wild cards though.

I tend to agree. A "middle ground" play-off system that could get the P5 support is the 10-team tournament, where you only have two play-in games. Think of them as the 16-seed and 12-seed games in the NCAAB tournament. Or, just the straight up 8-team playoff, with auto bids for the P5 champs plus one G5 champ - 2 wild cards. But that limits the G5's access to the CFP to one team. Why not have the top-2 G5 champs duke it out?

Personally, I think it is essential to limit the number of wild cards allowed in the playoff, so as to maintain - and even enhance - the regular season's significance.

Round 1: Play-In
Saturday, December 9, 2017
8-seed game: Boise St.(MWC) at UCF(AAC)
6-seed "wild card" game: Auburn at Wisconsin
*or, just have the 8-seed game. Wisconsin gets the 6 seed and Auburn is left out.

Quarterfinals
Saturday, December 16, 2017
UCF (8-seed winner) at (1)Clemson(ACC)
(7)USC(PAC) at (2)Oklahoma(B12)
Wisconsin (6-seed winner) at (3)Georgia(SEC)
(5)Alabama (wild card) at (4)Ohio St.(B1G)

....

As you can see, all P5 champions (including USC) and the top wild card (Alabama) get access to the quarterfinals without having to play there way in. The top two G5 champions (UCF and Boise) and the next two at large teams (Wisconsin and Auburn). You could place rules that would allow a G5 champ similar access (no play-in) if they achieve a certain ranking (top-6?).

This also limits the number of potential teams that would play more than one extra game when compared to the current CFP system. You still avoid the situation in the current system that unintentionally advantages the non-division winner, like '17 Alabama. While they avoid the potential CCG hiccup, they must still be a top-4 champion on the road AND win a big bowl game before they reach the national championship game.

(01-05-2018 02:03 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 01:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think it would be regional pairings.

Boise State at USC
Toledo at Wisconsin
FAU at UCF
Troy at Alabama

This would be an ease of travel for the fans.

Could be, but I think it would more likely favor the selection committee's rankings. The fans that are most relevant are the home fans. And the home team is not likely to have difficulty selling tickets to a win-or-go-home game. Why would USC want to face #25 Boise St. instead of unranked Toledo?

Because, PAC 12 and MWC already have a west coast rivalry. MAC and the Big 10 also have the rivalry games in the regular season. SEC and SBC faced each other a lot. AAC vs ACC are natural. PAC 12 could still claimed Boise State as an unofficial PAC 12 member if they go far enough. If both boise State and USC bows out in the first round? West coast is out of the windows for any hope for a championship.

YNot,

Bowl game trip planning is significant for alumni. I'm not going to wait until after some Christmas weekend game to decide whether to book a vacation with my family in Orlando or Pasadena to see the Ohio State Buckeyes play a quarter final. What if they lose the game before? You act as if finding New Years weekend hotels in major tourist areas is easy. It's not. You book as far ahead as you can. Ditto plane tickets.

The first year a NY6 Bowl is asked to go on a weekend before or after, they will opt out, and take a consolation set of teams, because they and their sponsors know they can get the hotels filled, the secondary events filled, and money from the sponsors for that. A last minute throw together Rose Bowl wont work. Think about the bands the parade, the sponsors. Not happening. ESPN money is less than the other money. The one million people who show up for the Parade are a bigger deal. For Orlando it's having those families booked for a week with the theme parks. It's far more than the football game.

The only way things expand is to change the NY6 from 2 Playoff and 4 consolation Bowls to 4 Playoff and 2 consolation Bowls. This basically allows college Football to sell two additional TV games in the semi-finals. Those are going to have to be site flexible, on campus if the weather permits, a dome within half a day drive if it's not.

And no, no matter how you slice it, the commuter schools of G5 are not going to be part of this, except a single school who will be considered for the Playoff or if none reach the threshold criteria a consolation NY6. ULL and WMU would not have made the criteria, UCF definitely would have (best G5 since those Petersen Boise State teams of the mid-2000s). The NY6 Bowls want the vacation money of those large residential State school alumni locked in for a week around the Bowl. The tickets to the game are almost secondary (almost).

This has to work for the power schools as well as the Bowl venues. They really do not want or need to expand beyond conference champs and a couple of elite teams who had strong years. Everyone else is building for next year, focused on new coaches in some cases and new players. These schools do not want disruption, and they do not play before Christmas anyway (finals).

There are simply too many logistical problem beyond 8. At 8 you are simply worried about two additional games. When you get beyond that you need a massive stream of additional money. Those G5 schools you all want to all do not bring that. And you destroy the big money Bowls in the process. Bad idea all around.

(01-05-2018 12:13 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 11:43 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  Both divisions have 10 (qualifying) conferences - Each conference champion gets in.

14 At large teams determined by playoff committee.

Top 8 seeds receive byes. First two rounds on campus of higher seeded team. Top 16 seeds each get 1 home game.

Quarterfinal and Semifinal games at 'NY6' bowls. Championship game awarded to a bidding city like is done now.

Example of playoff using this years rankings attached, hopefully I didn't screw up any of the seedings.

IDK why people keep trying to float this idea that FCS-style playoffs is the holy grail...

A full 1/3 of FCS programs (if not a higher %) DO NOT WANT, CARE OR EVEN TRY to win the FCS championship.

MEAC, SWAC, IVY, PIONEER, NEC and Patriot Leagues either do not support scholarships and programs in an effort to compete, or simply do not wish to participate AT ALL in the FCS playoffs (MEAC, SWAC, Ivy).

At the FBS level, EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM WANTS TO WIN AND AT LEAST TRIES TO WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

Let us know when a Sun Belt school are playing for a national title.

FBS is the big 5. Then you have the AAC, and a step down to the MWC. The MAC, SBC and CUSA are glorified FCS conferences who spend more money for a lesser product. Not one team in your SBC will ever, EVER win an FBS national championship.

(01-05-2018 03:19 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 12:13 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 11:43 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  Both divisions have 10 (qualifying) conferences - Each conference champion gets in.

14 At large teams determined by playoff committee.

Top 8 seeds receive byes. First two rounds on campus of higher seeded team. Top 16 seeds each get 1 home game.

Quarterfinal and Semifinal games at 'NY6' bowls. Championship game awarded to a bidding city like is done now.

Example of playoff using this years rankings attached, hopefully I didn't screw up any of the seedings.

IDK why people keep trying to float this idea that FCS-style playoffs is the holy grail...

A full 1/3 of FCS programs (if not a higher %) DO NOT WANT, CARE OR EVEN TRY to win the FCS championship.

MEAC, SWAC, IVY, PIONEER, NEC and Patriot Leagues either do not support scholarships and programs in an effort to compete, or simply do not wish to participate AT ALL in the FCS playoffs (MEAC, SWAC, Ivy).

At the FBS level, EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM WANTS TO WIN AND AT LEAST TRIES TO WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

Let us know when a Sun Belt school are playing for a national title.

FBS is the big 5. Then you have the AAC, and a step down to the MWC. The MAC, SBC and CUSA are glorified FCS conferences who spend more money for a lesser product. Not one team in your SBC will ever, EVER win an FBS national championship.

Sun Belt teams at least have a chance in every other NCAA sport. Coastal Carolina even won the CWS title in 2016. You could say none of those mentioned conferences have a chance in the basketball title either, but at least one school from each conference is in the playoffs.

Who knows, maybe a school like Troy could go on a Gonzaga like run. 20 years ago we'd have agreed that a WCC team would never win the NCAA basketball title. But now? It's certainly possible.