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RE: College football doesn't fairly name a national champion
(01-05-2018 09:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would be equally as unfair to put a 12-0 team that had the easiest schedule in college football in the mix.

I'm not alluding to UCF in that statement but speaking generally.

There isn't a "fair" way to do it that everybody in college football would call fair.

You don't see too many people crying about the NCAA basketball tournament. And in that scenario, the weak get weeded out in the early rounds.

Personally, I think the best way to do it would be the Conference Champs + wild cards to fill out a 16 team playoff bracket would be the best way to do it. And seeing as you already have a bloated bowl structure in place you already have the sites to do it and you also already have NIT variant set up at the same time.
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RE: College football doesn't fairly name a national champion
An AAC or MW team could finish top four if they run the table twice with a few high end road wins each season. The first undefeated season establishes credibility for the second. Its a minute possibility, but I could see how a Boise State could pull it off.
01-09-2018 09:31 AM
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RE: College football doesn't fairly name a national champion
(01-08-2018 10:16 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would be equally as unfair to put a 12-0 team that had the easiest schedule in college football in the mix.

I'm not alluding to UCF in that statement but speaking generally.

There isn't a "fair" way to do it that everybody in college football would call fair.

You don't see too many people crying about the NCAA basketball tournament. And in that scenario, the weak get weeded out in the early rounds.

Personally, I think the best way to do it would be the Conference Champs + wild cards to fill out a 16 team playoff bracket would be the best way to do it. And seeing as you already have a bloated bowl structure in place you already have the sites to do it and you also already have NIT variant set up at the same time.

FCS has a proven format to follow, except return to its 16 team field rather than the current 24 team field. 10 FBS conference champs and 6 at-large teams with seeding. It works and would be inclusive of all FBS conferences creating a true national champion.

And, how did the NCAA lose control over FBS football? It is the only sport, called NCAA football, that does not have an NCAA champion.
01-09-2018 02:29 PM
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RE: College football doesn't fairly name a national champion
(01-09-2018 02:29 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 10:16 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would be equally as unfair to put a 12-0 team that had the easiest schedule in college football in the mix.

I'm not alluding to UCF in that statement but speaking generally.

There isn't a "fair" way to do it that everybody in college football would call fair.

You don't see too many people crying about the NCAA basketball tournament. And in that scenario, the weak get weeded out in the early rounds.

Personally, I think the best way to do it would be the Conference Champs + wild cards to fill out a 16 team playoff bracket would be the best way to do it. And seeing as you already have a bloated bowl structure in place you already have the sites to do it and you also already have NIT variant set up at the same time.

FCS has a proven format to follow, except return to its 16 team field rather than the current 24 team field. 10 FBS conference champs and 6 at-large teams with seeding. It works and would be inclusive of all FBS conferences creating a true national champion.

And, how did the NCAA lose control over FBS football? It is the only sport, called NCAA football, that does not have an NCAA champion.

There is a level of parity in FCS that doesn't exist in FBS.

The P5 and G5 have a greater degree of separation than the G5 does from FCS.

It would be best, if fairness is really our watchword, to simply separate them.
01-09-2018 02:48 PM
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RE: College football doesn't fairly name a national champion
(01-09-2018 02:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 02:29 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 10:16 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would be equally as unfair to put a 12-0 team that had the easiest schedule in college football in the mix.

I'm not alluding to UCF in that statement but speaking generally.

There isn't a "fair" way to do it that everybody in college football would call fair.

You don't see too many people crying about the NCAA basketball tournament. And in that scenario, the weak get weeded out in the early rounds.

Personally, I think the best way to do it would be the Conference Champs + wild cards to fill out a 16 team playoff bracket would be the best way to do it. And seeing as you already have a bloated bowl structure in place you already have the sites to do it and you also already have NIT variant set up at the same time.

FCS has a proven format to follow, except return to its 16 team field rather than the current 24 team field. 10 FBS conference champs and 6 at-large teams with seeding. It works and would be inclusive of all FBS conferences creating a true national champion.

And, how did the NCAA lose control over FBS football? It is the only sport, called NCAA football, that does not have an NCAA champion.

There is a level of parity in FCS that doesn't exist in FBS.

The P5 and G5 have a greater degree of separation than the G5 does from FCS.

It would be best, if fairness is really our watchword, to simply separate them.

Eight teams is the sweet spot. If actually playing in a playoff with one G5 is the breaking point--then so be it---go ahead and separate. Half of the current "elite" will become sub.500 punching bags, I wonder how attractive a separation would be to them.

By the way--Congrats to Bama on thier 2017 CFP win! That now means that 50% of the time in the CFP era, the last team picked into an expanded 4 team playoff has won the national championship. Kinda undermines the whole argument against expanding the playoff.
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RE: College football doesn't fairly name a national champion
(01-09-2018 02:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 02:29 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 10:16 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would be equally as unfair to put a 12-0 team that had the easiest schedule in college football in the mix.

I'm not alluding to UCF in that statement but speaking generally.

There isn't a "fair" way to do it that everybody in college football would call fair.

You don't see too many people crying about the NCAA basketball tournament. And in that scenario, the weak get weeded out in the early rounds.

Personally, I think the best way to do it would be the Conference Champs + wild cards to fill out a 16 team playoff bracket would be the best way to do it. And seeing as you already have a bloated bowl structure in place you already have the sites to do it and you also already have NIT variant set up at the same time.

FCS has a proven format to follow, except return to its 16 team field rather than the current 24 team field. 10 FBS conference champs and 6 at-large teams with seeding. It works and would be inclusive of all FBS conferences creating a true national champion.

And, how did the NCAA lose control over FBS football? It is the only sport, called NCAA football, that does not have an NCAA champion.

There is a level of parity in FCS that doesn't exist in FBS.

The P5 and G5 have a greater degree of separation than the G5 does from FCS.

It would be best, if fairness is really our watchword, to simply separate them.

You're wrong. Grambling has been good as of late but there is a clear divide between the top level of FCS and the bottom. Many teams in the MVFC, SoCon and CAA are better than some of the worst teams in FBS. Some SWAC and MEAC schools belong in D-II or even NAIA. It's more of the same. Because the Patriot League actually wants to compete, the gap has shrunk but there's still a gap, not to mention some special gray areas because of the Pioneer and Ivy.
01-09-2018 04:10 PM
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