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RE: Why P6 won't help the AAC
(01-05-2018 12:13 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The P6 promotion doesn’t necessarily bother me. I think it’s brilliant. All 13 AAC schools are quality universities.
In terms of academic profile, the AAC looks like the P5. The other conferences don't.

7 of the 12 football schools are Carnegie I in research while 4 others are Carnegie II. Only Navy, which is an elite undergraduate school, is not.

There are only 9 Tier I in the other 4 conferences and all but the MAC have 4 or 5 schools below Carnegie II. The MAC has 1, but only has 1 tier I.

In the P5, 7 of the 10 Big 12 and 10 of the 14 SEC schools are Tier I. Only 8 in P5 are Tier II while the other 57 are Tier I.

The results are similar when you look at the number of USNWR national top 200 schools. All P5 are in, almost all the AAC, only some of the rest.
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RE: Why P6 won't help the AAC
(01-05-2018 09:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 12:13 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The P6 promotion doesn’t necessarily bother me. I think it’s brilliant. All 13 AAC schools are quality universities.
In terms of academic profile, the AAC looks like the P5. The other conferences don't.

7 of the 12 football schools are Carnegie I in research while 4 others are Carnegie II. Only Navy, which is an elite undergraduate school, is not.

There are only 9 Tier I in the other 4 conferences and all but the MAC have 4 or 5 schools below Carnegie II. The MAC has 1, but only has 1 tier I.

In the P5, 7 of the 10 Big 12 and 10 of the 14 SEC schools are Tier I. Only 8 in P5 are Tier II while the other 57 are Tier I.

The results are similar when you look at the number of USNWR national top 200 schools. All P5 are in, almost all the AAC, only some of the rest.

The MAC has 1 really good school. The MWC has most of their schools in the top 200, like the AAC. The MWC has 3 tier 1 schools research schools: Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico and elite Air Force. SDSU is tier 2? Wow, Fanhood. CUSA has Rice and no one else. Sun Belch has no one.
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RE: Why P6 won't help the AAC
(01-05-2018 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 12:13 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The P6 promotion doesn’t necessarily bother me. I think it’s brilliant. All 13 AAC schools are quality universities.
In terms of academic profile, the AAC looks like the P5. The other conferences don't.

7 of the 12 football schools are Carnegie I in research while 4 others are Carnegie II. Only Navy, which is an elite undergraduate school, is not.

There are only 9 Tier I in the other 4 conferences and all but the MAC have 4 or 5 schools below Carnegie II. The MAC has 1, but only has 1 tier I.

In the P5, 7 of the 10 Big 12 and 10 of the 14 SEC schools are Tier I. Only 8 in P5 are Tier II while the other 57 are Tier I.

The results are similar when you look at the number of USNWR national top 200 schools. All P5 are in, almost all the AAC, only some of the rest.

The MAC has 1 really good school. The MWC has most of their schools in the top 200, like the AAC. The MWC has 3 tier 1 schools research schools: Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico and elite Air Force. SDSU is tier 2? Wow, Fanhood. CUSA has Rice and no one else. Sun Belch has no one.

C-USA has Rice, FIU, UAB and UNT in Carnegie tier 1.

Plus in tier 2 are FAU, UTEP, UTSA, USM, Charlotte, ODU
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RE: Why P6 won't help the AAC
(01-06-2018 09:51 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 12:13 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The P6 promotion doesn’t necessarily bother me. I think it’s brilliant. All 13 AAC schools are quality universities.
In terms of academic profile, the AAC looks like the P5. The other conferences don't.

7 of the 12 football schools are Carnegie I in research while 4 others are Carnegie II. Only Navy, which is an elite undergraduate school, is not.

There are only 9 Tier I in the other 4 conferences and all but the MAC have 4 or 5 schools below Carnegie II. The MAC has 1, but only has 1 tier I.

In the P5, 7 of the 10 Big 12 and 10 of the 14 SEC schools are Tier I. Only 8 in P5 are Tier II while the other 57 are Tier I.

The results are similar when you look at the number of USNWR national top 200 schools. All P5 are in, almost all the AAC, only some of the rest.

The MAC has 1 really good school. The MWC has most of their schools in the top 200, like the AAC. The MWC has 3 tier 1 schools research schools: Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico and elite Air Force. SDSU is tier 2? Wow, Fanhood. CUSA has Rice and no one else. Sun Belch has no one.

C-USA has Rice, FIU, UAB and UNT in Carnegie tier 1.

Plus in tier 2 are FAU, UTEP, UTSA, USM, Charlotte, ODU

I should have caught UAB. My bad. FIU and UNT surprise me as Carnegie tier 1 research schools, but good for the. It’s a good marker. Houston just only recently baceame a tier 1.
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RE: Why P6 won't help the AAC
(01-05-2018 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 12:13 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The P6 promotion doesn’t necessarily bother me. I think it’s brilliant. All 13 AAC schools are quality universities.
In terms of academic profile, the AAC looks like the P5. The other conferences don't.

7 of the 12 football schools are Carnegie I in research while 4 others are Carnegie II. Only Navy, which is an elite undergraduate school, is not.

There are only 9 Tier I in the other 4 conferences and all but the MAC have 4 or 5 schools below Carnegie II. The MAC has 1, but only has 1 tier I.

In the P5, 7 of the 10 Big 12 and 10 of the 14 SEC schools are Tier I. Only 8 in P5 are Tier II while the other 57 are Tier I.

The results are similar when you look at the number of USNWR national top 200 schools. All P5 are in, almost all the AAC, only some of the rest.

The MAC has 1 really good school. The MWC has most of their schools in the top 200, like the AAC. The MWC has 3 tier 1 schools research schools: Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico and elite Air Force. SDSU is tier 2? Wow, Fanhood. CUSA has Rice and no one else. Sun Belch has no one.

All of the MAC schools serve as overflow for the B1G, the strongest public university conference.

For instance the thing in SE Michigan for years was that if you couldn't get into the University of Michigan you would then go to Eastern Michigan. The same kind of kid from the same kind of neighborhood could be found in both schools.

WMU/CMU/EMU are major state schools along with MSU/Michigan. There are a lot of lessor state schools like Ferris St, Northern Michigan, Grand Valley St ect. In Ohio its Youngstown St, Wright St, Cleveland St but they are actually D1.

Many of the CUSA/SBC schools outside of Texas/Florida where they are large major public schools are more of the lessor state school variety IMO. Marshall for example is more on the level of a Youngstown St or a Wright St not a MAC school.
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(01-05-2018 12:13 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The P6 promotion doesn’t necessarily bother me. I think it’s brilliant. All 13 AAC schools are quality universities.
That's not how the interwebs work.
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RE: Why P6 won't help the AAC
(01-05-2018 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 12:13 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The P6 promotion doesn’t necessarily bother me. I think it’s brilliant. All 13 AAC schools are quality universities.
In terms of academic profile, the AAC looks like the P5. The other conferences don't.

7 of the 12 football schools are Carnegie I in research while 4 others are Carnegie II. Only Navy, which is an elite undergraduate school, is not.

There are only 9 Tier I in the other 4 conferences and all but the MAC have 4 or 5 schools below Carnegie II. The MAC has 1, but only has 1 tier I.

In the P5, 7 of the 10 Big 12 and 10 of the 14 SEC schools are Tier I. Only 8 in P5 are Tier II while the other 57 are Tier I.

The results are similar when you look at the number of USNWR national top 200 schools. All P5 are in, almost all the AAC, only some of the rest.

The MAC has 1 really good school. The MWC has most of their schools in the top 200, like the AAC. The MWC has 3 tier 1 schools research schools: Hawaii, Colorado St, New Mexico and elite Air Force. SDSU is tier 2? Wow, Fanhood. CUSA has Rice and no one else. Sun Belch has no one.

The MW has land grant schools and state flagships. You can't discount that.
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One quibble with the OP: it will actually be even harder for the AAC to get a contract bowl than a CFP spot. If there’s overwhelming evidence that a team deserves a playoff spot (e.g. undefeated *and* multiple OOC wins against top P5 teams), then the CFP committee *could* be persuaded.

In contrast, bowl committees don’t give a crap about on-the-field results. In a sport that is already biased toward the elite programs, the bowls might be the most elitist of them all. These bowls couldn’t even stand Big East 2.0 with schools like West Virginia and Louisville that actually brought a good amount of fans. Being a “big time bowl” means having schools like Michigan, USC, Florida, etc. regardless of their records. We’ve seen time and time again (and we see it with the payout amounts) that bowls would rather take the 3rd, 4th or 5th place school from the Big Ten or SEC than any G5 school. The bowl part of the system is honestly more entrenched and stacked against the G5 than the playoff itself.
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(01-08-2018 08:11 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  One quibble with the OP: it will actually be even harder for the AAC to get a contract bowl than a CFP spot. If there’s overwhelming evidence that a team deserves a playoff spot (e.g. undefeated *and* multiple OOC wins against top P5 teams), then the CFP committee *could* be persuaded.

In contrast, bowl committees don’t give a crap about on-the-field results. In a sport that is already biased toward the elite programs, the bowls might be the most elitist of them all. These bowls couldn’t even stand Big East 2.0 with schools like West Virginia and Louisville that actually brought a good amount of fans. Being a “big time bowl” means having schools like Michigan, USC, Florida, etc. regardless of their records. We’ve seen time and time again (and we see it with the payout amounts) that bowls would rather take the 3rd, 4th or 5th place school from the Big Ten or SEC than any G5 school. The bowl part of the system is honestly more entrenched and stacked against the G5 than the playoff itself.

One quibble here: the AAC could get a contract bowl, but for the reasons you mention it just won't be with a major bowl. But i bet something like the Bahamas Bowl would be happy to sign a contract to host the AAC champ in years when they do not make the playoff.
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RE: Why P6 won't help the AAC
(01-08-2018 09:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 08:11 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  One quibble with the OP: it will actually be even harder for the AAC to get a contract bowl than a CFP spot. If there’s overwhelming evidence that a team deserves a playoff spot (e.g. undefeated *and* multiple OOC wins against top P5 teams), then the CFP committee *could* be persuaded.

In contrast, bowl committees don’t give a crap about on-the-field results. In a sport that is already biased toward the elite programs, the bowls might be the most elitist of them all. These bowls couldn’t even stand Big East 2.0 with schools like West Virginia and Louisville that actually brought a good amount of fans. Being a “big time bowl” means having schools like Michigan, USC, Florida, etc. regardless of their records. We’ve seen time and time again (and we see it with the payout amounts) that bowls would rather take the 3rd, 4th or 5th place school from the Big Ten or SEC than any G5 school. The bowl part of the system is honestly more entrenched and stacked against the G5 than the playoff itself.

One quibble here: the AAC could get a contract bowl, but for the reasons you mention it just won't be with a major bowl. But i bet something like the Bahamas Bowl would be happy to sign a contract to host the AAC champ in years when they do not make the playoff.

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