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Pomeroy Update
MAC Pomeroy rankings through games of Wednesday, Jan. 3:

106 Ball State
120 Buffalo
152 Toledo
155 Central Michigan
162 Eastern Michigan
172 Ohio
175 Western Michigan
231 Akron
232 Northern Illinois
243 Bowling Green
245 Kent State
261 Miami
01-04-2018 03:33 PM
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Interestingly enough Miami's RPI is second in the MAC (86th, UB is 45). One must keep in mind however that RPI doesn't deduct our SOS for two NAIA home games or factor in the margin of victory/defeat, as we've been blown out in most of our losses while winning a lot of close games. I think we're somewhere in the middle in terms of actual team strength, probably in the mid to upper hundreds.
01-04-2018 05:40 PM
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Miami has moved up a lot in the past two weeks. They had been in the
low 300s. Central Michigan has made a nice move up also. Ball State and Buffalo keep moving toward the top 100. Their game Saturday in Muncie could possibly vault one or the other over.
01-04-2018 06:27 PM
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Miami at the bottom...hmmm...seems right to me!
01-04-2018 09:38 PM
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We're not last! 02-13-banana
01-05-2018 09:34 AM
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RE: Pomeroy Update
No teams below 300 is a great sign. The MAC may not have any standout teams this season, but there are no anchors to drag us down.
01-05-2018 09:59 AM
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(01-05-2018 09:59 AM)uakronkid Wrote:  No teams below 300 is a great sign. The MAC may not have any standout teams this season, but there are no anchors to drag us down.

In theory that's good, but if that's the case, we're just looking at teams beating each other up, and another one bid, 14 seed team in the tourney. It's called parity when it occurs in a Major conference, it's called mediocrity in the MAC.
01-05-2018 10:15 AM
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(01-05-2018 10:15 AM)eich41 Wrote:  In theory that's good, but if that's the case, we're just looking at teams beating each other up, and another one bid, 14 seed team in the tourney. It's called parity when it occurs in a Major conference, it's called mediocrity in the MAC.

Not having terrible teams is the first step to having a good conference. Having one or two teams step up and get a top-40 RPI and 25+ wins is the second step. If we sustain this, then we're improving the conference the right way instead of having on good team and hoping that they lose in the conference final to a bad team (and thus hurting their seeding), which relies on luck and doesn't do anything to raise the conference profile.
01-05-2018 12:37 PM
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(01-05-2018 10:15 AM)eich41 Wrote:  In theory that's good, but if that's the case, we're just looking at teams beating each other up, and another one bid, 14 seed team in the tourney. It's called parity when it occurs in a Major conference, it's called mediocrity in the MAC.

Well yeah, because the MAC is significantly weaker than the top conferences. The MAC is a solid basketball conference but we don't play enough good teams routinely to call it parity. At least parity in the positive sense. Look at CMU for instance, our OOC was pathetic. We have a good record and I hope we can continue to win, but there are no favors when we have a SOS in the 300's.
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(01-05-2018 12:37 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 10:15 AM)eich41 Wrote:  In theory that's good, but if that's the case, we're just looking at teams beating each other up, and another one bid, 14 seed team in the tourney. It's called parity when it occurs in a Major conference, it's called mediocrity in the MAC.

Not having terrible teams is the first step to having a good conference. Having one or two teams step up and get a top-40 RPI and 25+ wins is the second step. If we sustain this, then we're improving the conference the right way instead of having on good team and hoping that they lose in the conference final to a bad team (and thus hurting their seeding), which relies on luck and doesn't do anything to raise the conference profile.

It helps to not have bottom feeders dragging down the various ratings of the better teams in the conference. However, my point is that the MAC is better off having 2-3 teams that drastically standout with cellar dwellers for the remainder of the conference, than to have parity with everyone somewhere between 100-250 with most teams somewhere around .500 in conference play. Take the WCC for example. Most people consider it to be a solid basketball conference, but the reality is it's essentially Gonzaga, St Mary's, and cannon fodder. They have 10 teams and two of them are in the 300s and two more are knocking on the door.

For the MAC to gain some traction it's more important to have a couple of strong teams to hang their hat on rather than trying to point to the strength of the conference from top to bottom. Obviously not having anchors dragging down the SOS can help with that, but it would be more beneficial to have the top separate from the pack than it is to have the tail of the pack catch up.
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